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BBC said "Fingerprinting of overseas students will begin this month - and university chiefs are warning that it needs to be a simple and efficient process." 😊 😊
BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Foreign students fingerprint fear
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Overseas students will need to have biometric identity cards in UK
When the situation changes, so-called "Pro-Human right" country change the rule. If Japan does this first, the West will bash Japan, but following UK would be OK ?? 😊
I am always interested in mentality of so-called "Pro-Human Right" people. :p
 
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I feel that we all got paranoid with a boogie man around every rock and every tree. We don`t trust anyone anymore
 
846 foreigners prevented from illegally entering Japan under biometric ID system

A total of 846 foreigners have been prevented from illegally entering Japan over the past year following the introduction of biometric identification systems at airports across the country, according to the Ministry of Justice.

The ministry, which released a report on the system's first year results on Friday, added that the number of visa overstayers is down 35 percent, compared to the previous year.

"Those illegally entering the country to work are being prevented, and the efficiency of border measures is increasing," it said.

A total of 748 people were expelled for trying to re-enter the country during the 5-year period following a previous deportation, including 290 Koreans, 137 Filipinos and 83 Chinese. A further 98 -- 18 Filipinos, 16 Iranians and 10 Sri Lankans -- were deported for using false passports.

There have also been a few cases of immigration identifying suspects wanted by police in connection with crimes through biometric information.

As only the second country in the world to implement a biometric identification system for those entering the country -- after the United States -- the immigration service was also geared up to handle crowds of people refusing to be fingerprinted or photographed. So far however, there has been only one case of this happening, that of a man from the Middle East.

"As the system becomes more widespread, it's gaining more acceptance," said immigration authorities.



(Mainichi Japan) November 28, 2008
 
Yeah?

So?

Crappy stats and a false send of bravado in that "report". Yawn.
 
Yeah?So?Crappy stats and a false send of bravado in that "report". Yawn
Glenski, you mean, there is no corroborating evidence right? For example, there are no statistics on what the number of deportees would be without this invasive system. I agree with you, but I don't want to put it so bluntly.^^;

I am always suspicious if a government releases "official numbers". In that case there is always some kind of political motivation behind it. No matter what government is releasing it.
 
otto,
One stat they didn't cite (and was brought up so nicely on Debito's blog) is how many of these would have been caught last year without the current system.

Another is whether those false passports were caught on their own, or if they required the fingerprinting system to do it. I suspect the former, but we'll never know.

As for shorter lines at immigration as a result of this policy, I guess those officials weren't actually in line when the machines didn't work, and they weren't around when people (reported on Debito's blog again) tried to use the alternate lines meant to bypass fingerprinting and discovered that there was nobody there to staff them.

Shrug.
 
otto,
One stat they didn't cite (and was brought up so nicely on Debito's blog) is how many of these would have been caught last year without the current system.
...
Shrug.

White Paper-Immigration policy
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You can blame me again without reading his blog, but I easily imagine what you/he wants to say.
1. the number of people refused his/her entry was not that much changed
2. Tourists increased
3. The rate of refusal actually decreases with/without the scheme
4. Conspiracy or discrimination!

My interpretation
Point 1 and 2 are right as the official figure shows in the white paper above.
#3 is partly right, I think, because nobody knows how many people with some backgrounds in the past would cancel his/her risk-taking, entering to Japan, after the system. I can only conclude there were 846 brave challengers.
#4, I have no idea, but it is good for Japan to set a numerical policy goal and give more people fairer access.

You/he thinks it is the nice interpretation/citation of debito because he simply used and interpreted another official data openly available to the public. And I also think you/he uses the time lag before the English translation is available. What is is behind the irony using official data to blame another official data in the same bureau and paper?

It sounds like the same story based on an ancient Chinese story, which is stronger, the strongest sword or the mightiest shield as we usually call it 窶督オツ鞘? mujun, contradiction/inconsistency.

Anyways, I agree with you, "it is good to use
tag here".
 

I think I am using the same source http://www.moj.go.jp/PRESS/070229-2.pdf

Japan's Ministry of Justice said "Thanking to rigorous passport control and cooperations with foreign government authorities, we could have reduce the number of illegal stays for the past years - from 220,552 persons in Jan 2003to 149,785 persons in Jan 2008 - down by 32%.

It also says .... South Korean occupy top position of illegal stays (21.2%) and followed by Chinese (16.7%) and Phillipines (16.5%).

For your info, South Korean is the illegal stay champion every year. 😊
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Maybe Japanese government better introduce the same biometric identity cards for travellers, at least from Korea, China and Phillipines, and make them complusory for carrying all the time for tracking their movement in Japan.

Must be OK as Japan is just following UK. 😌
 
Why that special range of years (2003 to 2008)? Did it just happen to give a certain nice looking figure? Or was there something special implemented in 2003 that they are trying to prove is measurable?

My vote is on the former.

It also has nothing to do with the current fingerprinting, which started only in 2007.
 
I'm just curious as to what Astroboy is trying to prove; That Japan is unfairly frowned upon for finger printing foreigners?

For your info, South Korean is the illegal stay champion every year. 😊

Very curious piece of info for you to emphasize. Is this a hint to some secret agenda you have?
 
I'm just curious as to what Astroboy is trying to prove; That Japan is unfairly frowned upon for finger printing foreigners?

IF Japan does first, everybody will bash Japan. So, it is good for Japan to follow UK/USA. Are there any trouble still ?

Very curious piece of info for you to emphasize. Is this a hint to some secret agenda you have?

I am just curious why Koreans illegally stay in Japan (which Koreans dislike most) exceeding allowed period? Are they forced to come as slave or human-trafficked ?

My questioning is not allowed? 😊
 
This is quickly digressing and I am at fault, sorry.

IF Japan does first, everybody will bash Japan. So, it is good for Japan to follow UK/USA. Are there any trouble still ?

Nope, I understand now.

I am just curious why Koreans illegally stay in Japan (which Koreans dislike most) exceeding allowed period? Are they forced to come as slave or human-trafficked ?
My questioning is not allowed? 😊

Perhaps they are looking for a better life in Japan much like Mexicans who illegally stay in the USA? I think that is a bit of a blanket statement to imply that all Koreans dislike Japan. Slave or human-trafficked? Care to expand upon these?

Of course you are allowed to question, it's how you learn. It just seems your "question" is loaded.
 
Back to the OP's point...

Yes, the UK is introducing biometric ID systems.
Of course this makes me sad.

But there are some important differences;

1) It's the UK's stated goal to implement ID systems for *everyone*, including UK citizens. When I next renew my passport I'll have to give 10 fingerprints. Japan just targets foreigners, since it seems われわれ日本人 are always above suspicion.

2) There's no compulsion to carry the ID. In Japan, it's an offence for a foreigner to fail to carry their ID.

3) Although the EU has plans to fingerprint tourists, there's no realistic timeline for this. So for the forseable future, Japanese tourists will not be fingerprinted in the UK.

Security measures per se don't annoy me too much. It's targetting only certain groups which angers me.
 
Back to the baths: Otaru revisited
Paul de Vries sees worrying precedent for Japan in 2002 landmark court ruling


By PAUL DE VRIES
The story is familiar to regular readers of Zeit Gist. Debito Arudou, a naturalized Japanese citizen, originally from America, was living in Sapporo, Hokkaido, and had heard of the Yunohana public bath's policy of denying entry to foreigners. In 1999, media in tow, he decided to put that onsen's policy to the test. Sure enough, entry was denied, with the accompanying explanation that foreigners often "cause trouble" and, as such, the regulars "dislike sharing the facilities with them."

The origin of this controversy is the behavior of Russian sailors. The Yunohana "onsen" is located in Otaru, the main port between Japan and the Russian Far East. Otaru attracts over a thousand Russian vessels and more than 25,000 sailors a year on stays of varying lengths. In the mid-1990s, Russian sailors were frequently showing up drunk at the city's various onsen and jumping into the tubs with soap on their bodies, thus rendering the facilities unusable.

Prior to taking on the Yunohana onsen, Earth Cure, the management company against whom Arudou's court action was taken, was running one of the city's other onsen facilities. It had been pushed to the brink of ruin after its regular clientele had been driven away by the behavior of Russian sailors. When that problem reappeared at Yunohana, Earth Cure opted for an uncompromising stance: Anyone who did not immediately appear to be Japanese was turned away at the door.

To give Arudou his due, he didn't rush to the courts. In accordance with the accepted customs of his adopted Japan, he attempted to reach an accord by working with Otaru city officials, and through consultations with the Yunohana onsen and a couple of other like-minded facilities. These efforts were successful with all but Yunohana, and it was that particular onsen against which Arudou and two other plaintiffs made a claim for \6 million for the "mental distress" that the self-inflicted ordeal had put them through. The case was won in November 2002 with a judgment awarding the plaintiffs half of what they had sought.

A responsible individual was barred from a facility to which the general public is entitled to enter upon presentation of an entry fee. His rights were upheld by the courts. The facility was forced to back down. So what's the problem with that? The problem is that the case was fought and won on the issue of racial discrimination when the policy being employed by the Yunohana onsen could more accurately be described as the racial application of "group accountability."

Group accountability is a process within which all of the members of a group are punished for the indiscretion of one of that group's members. It is a process that seeks to take the onus of policing away from law enforcement professionals and place it in the hands of society at large. The upside of group accountability is high levels of public safety and the scarcity of rogue individuals. A downside occurs when the innocent are prejudiced or punished for behavior and deeds they did not commit.

There is nothing particularly Japanese about this process. It is commonly used in the West by parents and in schools, and is most notably employed in the battle against soccer hooliganism. In "adult" Western society, however, group accountability is incompatible with the cherished Western ideal of individual rights. Officially, in the West, group accountability is not to be employed. But is it?

In the West, are people prejudged by the actions of others from the same race, color, neighborhood or region? In the West, are preconceptions based on a history of behavior of others from the same sex or religion? The answer to both of these questions is an emphatic "Yes." The reality for the West is that it gets the worst of both worlds: Individuals are still prejudged on the basis of group association, yet society does not benefit from the restraining force that peer pressure can provide.

While the most controversial applications of group accountability for foreigners within Japan are those that are based on race, it is a mistake to think that group accountability is not applied by the Japanese with an even hand. Consider, for example, the designation of women-only train carriages.

The women-only carriage initiative was first carried out on certain commuter lines during 2002, but was confined to late-night services. The stated rationale was to provide protection against lewd behavior by drunken male passengers — a rationale against which few could object. The ante was upped in 2005 when the service was extended to morning commuter trains, thus effectively conceding for the first time that "chikan" (gropers) and not alcohol was the primary cause of the problem.

In the weeks after the women-only carriages were introduced on morning services, there was a certain amount of guttural male rumbling, yet the measure has been widely accepted. This is clear proof that the Japanese are not above applying group-based discrimination within their own ranks.

It is also quite notable that the foreign male population of Japan does not appear to be particularly upset about being excluded from these train carriages. There has been no mention of any discontent in columns such as Zeit Gist, not a single word from Debito Arudou, and the silence in Readers in Council from non-Japanese has been deafening.

A subject on which the foreign (but most vociferously, Western) population did manage to find its voice was the regimen of photographic registering and fingerprinting that was introduced in November 2007. Under the justification of countering terrorism, the Japanese government decided to require that visitors to its shores be photographed and have their fingerprints scanned at immigration — a policy with both precedent and reasonable justification in that it was also being carried out by the U.S. and was in the process of being set up in Britain. But what a reaction followed! Online petitions, protests, letter after letter to The Japan Times, U.N.-sponsored seminars. It was unbelievable!

Women-only train carriages and fingerprinting/photographing are both applications of group accountability. On both of these issues, a section of society (men and foreigners) is being asked to undergo a measure of inconvenience in order to counter a threat that comes from within their ranks (chikan and al-Qaida). The attitude of the Japanese toward these two issues is consistent. The attitude of the Western population is not. The Western population of Japan clearly draws a distinction between racial and nonracial applications of group accountability. Or perhaps more accurately, between applications that are primarily directed toward Westerners and those that are not.

The use of group accountability as an instrument of social control in Japan has not historically been racial in application.

It became an accepted societal tool during a time when this nation was — for all practical purposes — a mono-racial society. It has therefore been traditionally applied on a basis of criteria other than race.

This contrasts sharply with the history of group-based discrimination in Arudou's America. "White America" has always been racial to the core, with "the other" always being a member of another race (the same being largely true for Australia, New Zealand, Canada or any of the other landmasses that "whites" succeeded in colonizing). As such, group accountability is a far touchier subject in the West than it is in Japan and much of Asia.

But surely that's the West's problem. Why should the social benefits of group accountability be denied to the Japanese simply because of the history of entrenched Western racism, especially given that the Japanese employ it with an even hand? The concept enjoys a broad level of acceptance within Asia as a whole, and the majority of non-Japanese residing on Japanese shores are Asian nationals. It makes little sense for the Western attitude to prevail.

It is more than appropriate that Debito Arudou ultimately got to take his bath at the Yunohana facility, but the ruling that was handed down was misguided. In truth, the case should not have even gone to court. At a pre-trial hearing the judge should have addressed Earth Cure with something like the following:

"Look, I understand your concerns. You have clearly suffered from the behavior of Russian customers, and as you were driven out of business at a former facility, it is not unnatural that you are the final remaining holdout. But enough is enough! Considerable efforts have been made in good faith to resolve this problem at a multitude of levels. It is time for you to give some ground."

And if that didn't work, the judge should have either asked Arudou to come to him with something other than a racial discrimination claim, or have issued a judgment that addressed the issue of group accountability directly. But that was not to be. The judgment that was made placed negligible weight on the preamble to the claim, thereby laying the legal groundwork for the demise of group accountability as a social conditioner within Japan.

Debito Arudou has embraced the precedent set in the Yunohana onsen case and sought to make the "right of entry" something of an "inalienable human right." Precedent in hand, he has spent much of the past few years confronting unwelcoming Japanese "businesses" — the vast majority of which no self-respecting person should want to be seen anywhere near. This crusade is essentially geared toward having Japan conform with American (as distinct from Western) standards.

I am no regular rider on the anti-American bandwagon. America is a truly wonderful country with some particularly obvious virtues, but these do not include its level of safety and social cohesion. While the rights of the individual are certainly more strongly upheld in America than in Japan, the presence of rogue individuals within America is disproportionately high. America is unquestionably a more dangerous place than Japan.

And this brings us to the point that Arudou ignores or simply fails to see. Group accountability is not employed in Japan simply for the sake of pushing people around. It is employed for the purpose of making Japan cohesive and safe. It is a major reason why Japan, unlike the U.S., is a nation in which the fear of random violence is relatively low. If Arudou succeeds in his quest, Japan will become one more nation in which the individual is to be feared. That is an outrageously high price to pay for the occasional racial, national, generational or gender-driven slight.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20081202zg.html

If we see only debito.org, people would think foreigners are all arrogant and nasty.
But there a few foreigners who don't have the same mental illness as Debito
 
this is a point of contention, as the concept of "group accountability" applied in the case of the onsen is not so even-handed as the article would have us think. If the onsen in question were to say "we've had trouble with russian sailors before, so we're just going to bar entry to Russian sailors (or just sailors in general) from now on, it would be a good example of group accountability. However, in this case, they are denying not just Russian sailors, but all foreigners. And it's not even foreigners, but people that cannot pass for Japanese. That is a racism of exclusion, by lumping everyone that is not 'Japanese' into one group, then making everyone accountable for the actions of a few. What about naturalized citizens? What about foreigners of Japanese descent? On the surface, would the 'Japanese' person be denied entry, and the 'foreigner' allowed in? Group accountability is hard to defend when you cast such a wide net.

That said, the fingerprint system is not unprecedented, but I think Japan I catching flak because they are already notorious for their heavy-handed approach to foreigners, and this is seen as just another excuse to flex their authority. I don't think they are out of line in this particular case, but it's the uneven application of these regulations that draw so much attention.
 
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