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Seven things that Imperial Japan plundered from Korea.
and they insist" Seven crimes that Japan committed"

1) korean king
2)Sovereignty
3)Land
4)Resource
5)Language
6)Life
7)name

i think it is a lie......
for Example , Japan forced them a Japanese name.
why did Japan need to force changing their name?

recentry, "*** was foced" is so popular in this forum..
and, these are also quite different from the fact.

How do you learn it in the foreign country?

Just curious
 
Seven things that Imperial Japan plundered from Korea.
and they insist" Seven crimes that Japan committed"

1) korean king
2)Sovereignty
3)Land
4)Resource
5)Language
6)Life
7)name

i think it is a lie......
for Example , Japan forced them a Japanese name.
why did Japan need to force changing their name?

recentry, "*** was foced" is so popular in this forum..
and, these are also quite different from the fact.

How do you learn it in the foreign country?

Just curious

What's your source on this myth? and what does *** means?
 
I really have no idea what you are talking about, sorry.

Where did you hear this MYTH? and if it is a myth why even care about it.

It's easy to make a myth to bash a country, I can do that as well. You think everything is a lie, if it's bad about Japan... Do you ever agree that Japan did something bad in the war? I think you are old enough to think realistically, and stop making Japan looks "ow so innocent". IMHO.

Good luck with the thread, though.
 
Where did you hear this MYTH?

I read a korean history textbook in Japanese


It's easy to make a myth to bash a country, I can do that as well. You think everything is a lie, if it's bad about Japan...
if there is an opposite I want to hear like Okinawa problem.

Do you ever agree that Japan did something bad in the war?

of course, however Japan did not fight against them at war

I think you are old enough to think realistically, and stop making Japan looks "ow so innocent". IMHO
.

i am talking it realistically from doccuments IMHO
 
I read a korean history textbook in Japanese

So I am asking you, what's your source! What's the name of this Korean History Textbook in Japanese. Maybe a link to the authors website, or a amazon link,etc.




of course, however Japan did not fight against them at war
Who is them?

.

i am talking it a realistically from doccuments IMHO
This are only Japanese documents or international documents?
 
During the Japanese occupation of Korea, Japanese was declared the official language of Korea, and the use of Korean was officially banned so much so that Koreans were forced to change their family names to Japanese ones

this is the easiest one
National Virtual Translation Center | Federal Bureau of Investigation

1st .about japan forced to change their name....
is it true? I doubt it

This are only Japanese documents or international documents?

If there is an international documents at that time
please show me. then i change my mind
 
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in 1940 Japanese Gervernment anounced korean ppl " if you want Japanese name, this time is a big chance to have a Japanese name"
Because the Korean's demand of that was numerous.

here is a docummnets at that time of 1939 about political movement in Korea



殆どの朝鮮_人の関心は薄いが、朝鮮_人有力者は、創氏改名と志願兵制度を導入して、日本本土との差別を無くし、参政権を得ようという気運が盛り上がっている。

most korean was not interested in Politics. however korean influential persons wanted the Japapanese name and volunteer soldier system in korea.......


you can find it here( japan center for asian histrical records)
アジア歴史資料センター


it was not a fact that Japan foced to change their name.
 
創氏改名の きっかけとなった理由の一つに、満州へ移住したCho/sen人からの要求や嘆願があったことは、あまり知られていない。満州は元々、清国を開いた満州人の祖国であり、清朝時代には 漢人(中国人)の入植が禁じられていた。19世紀未には 入植が解禁されたが、その少し前から満鮮国境にいたCho/sen農民は、徐々に 入植を始めていた。それが 最も多かったのは間島地方である。(略)

the korean ppl who imigrated in manchuria demanded and supplicated to have a Japanese name.
Manuchuria is mother land where manchu ppl established Qing Dynasty
during Qing dynasty, Han chinese was prohibited to enter Manchuria
in 19c, it was lifted a ban for Han chinese. then Korean ppl also settled in Manshuria


日韓合併の当時、満州には約150万のCho/sen人がいた。彼らは絶えず漢人から圧迫され、搾取され、農奴に近い生活を強いられていた。やがてCho/sen人狩りが起こる。Cho/sen人をもっとも嫌ったのは張作霖で、「満州にはCho/sen人を一人も入れさせない」と息巻いていたほどである。このCho/sen人迫害は、漢人・韓人たちの満州資源争奪の争いを助長した。このような歴史背景下で、Cho/sen人にとって唯一の救いは、当時 5強の一つであった大日本帝国の臣民となることだった。

there were 1,500,000 korean
However, they were like slaves of han chinese
The only saving was to have become the Japanese people for them.

唯一、中国人に対抗できる切り札であったため、Cho/sen人たちは 進んで創氏改名を強く要求したのである。日本こそが、Cho/sen人にとって合邦国家の民族の誇りであり、中国人の跋扈に対抗できる ただ一つの勢力だったのだ。だから満州事変以後、関東軍が関東州から北上してきたのを 最も喜んだのはCho/sen人だった。(略)

then they demanded to have a Japanese name.
It was Korean that it was pleased most because a Japanese army comes to
manchuria


よって、皇軍(関東軍)の北満への出動は、在満Cho/sen人にとって 積極的な救済保護であり、兵匪、満州軍閥の圧迫からの解放だと見るべきだ。満州事変後、Cho/sen人の間で、日本国籍を有し「日本帝国の臣民」として、その権利と義務を果たすべきだとの議論が起こったという事実もある。そして、「帝国臣民」になりたいという声が高くなり、漢人の差別に逆襲するために「創氏改名」を強く要求した。
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then This picture was drawn by Chinese at that time
http://www.mf10.com/dreamtale/gyakusatsu.jpg

same things were happened in Pows of south Asia
that is why many Korean B and C criminals were excuted
 
*Japan forced them not to speak Korean language
*the use of Korean was officially banned so much

it was the Japan that protected korean language.

are there any international documents until then
 
Well, you may claim it is a myth, but the international community and historian agree it is not a myth.

It merely takes a search in Wikipedia to see how the general population agrees that NONE of thsoe listed above are myth.

Search "Korea under Japanese rule" in Wikipedia



Assassination of Empress Myeongseong

In 1895, Empress Myeongseong was assassinated by Japanese agents.The Japanese minister to Korea, Miura Goro orchestrated the plot against her. A group of Japanese agents entered the Imperial palace in Seoul, which was under Japanese guard,[4] and Empress Myeongseong (referred to as "Queen Min" by the Japanese) was killed and her body desecrated in the North wing of the palace.[5] The empress had attempted to counter Japanese interference in Korea and was considering turning to Russia or China for support.



Donghak Revolution and protests for democracy

The outbreak of the Donghak Peasant Revolution in 1894 changed Japanese policy toward Korea. Korea had negotiated with Russia to counterbalance Japan's growing influence. So Chae-pil and Protestant missionaries introduced Western political thought to Korea. Protesters took to the streets, demanding democratic reforms and an end to Japanese and Russian influence in Korean affairs. The Korean government asked for Chinese assistance in ending the revolt. The Meiji leaders decided upon military intervention to challenge China.



Colonization efforts and land confiscation

The Japanese seizure of Korean land first became widespread during the time the Korea was a Japanese colony. The Imperial Japanese government handed out large tracts of Korean land at subsidized costs to any Japanese family willing to settle in Korea as part of a larger effort at colonization. Former Korean landowners as well as agricultural workers became internally displaced, having lost their entitlements to labor and property almost overnight. Those who did labor under Japanese landlords did so under significantly higher taxes. As such, Korean farmers suffered under the high degree of their labor, which was required in order to supply rice to an increasingly urbanized Japan.


Forced name changes

In 1911 a proclamation, ツ"Case Concerning the Changing of Korean Namesツ" (窶卍ゥ窶朗ツ人ニ知ツ青ゥ窶督シ窶ーテシツ湘姑男ナ?テ免湛ニ停?ケナ陳? was issued barring ethnic Koreans from taking Japanese names and to retroactively revert the names of Koreans that had already registered under Japanese names back to the original Korean ones[23] in an attempt to better segregate individuals of Korean and Japanese ancestry.[23] By 1939, however, the focus had shifted towards colonial assimilation, and Imperial Decree 19 on Korean Civil Affairs (조선민사령; ツ"窶凖ゥ窶氾?9窶卍ゥ窶朗窶督ッナス窶凪?氾淞")[24] went into effect, whereby all Koreans had to surrender their Korean family name and adopt Japanese surnames. A country study conducted by the Library of Congress states that ツ"Korean culture was quashed, and Koreans were required to speak Japanese and take Japanese names.ツ"[25][26][27] This forced name change, called Changssi-gaemyong (창씨개명; 窶蕨ナスツ≫?ーテシ窶督シ), was part of Japan's assimilation policy[28][29][30] that, according to the University of Tokyo, ツ"not only robbed the victims of their identity, but also served to destroy the traditional Korean family system.ツ"[20]


University of Tokyo agrees that name changes were forced. And as the wikipedia shows, people who did not sell the land to the japaense at dirt cheap prices were faced higher tax-rates.


Sorry. Your mumbling does not cause the fact to be myths. Facts are facts.
 
Caster51,

Yes it was the Empress of Korea ( not a king) who was assasinated. I remember it as a very sad story.
What makes Korea so complicated, is that there are two Korea's today, North and South.
To me it is even more complicated, because long after WWII I learnt that quite some camp-guardians who had been extremely cruel towards their Dutch prisoners were not always Japanese but also Koreans.
When I mentioned that the names were Japanese, I was told that the Korean names had received Japanese names. Not so strange really.
The Chinese living in Indonesia have also changed their names into Indonesian names. So I understand that those things happen.

But all the rest I know about the two Korea's I learnt through reading books, magazines and surfing over Internet.
 
junjunforever san.
An interesting opinion,
You affirm a claim of caster51 unintentionally.😊

By your remark,
Their delusion that a Korean connected pieces of a historical fact was proved.

Why,
In a palace,
Was a foreigner able to kill the empress?
It is doubt.
Do not you think so?:-)
 
junjunforever san.
An interesting opinion,
You affirm a claim of caster51 unintentionally.😊
By your remark,
Their delusion that a Korean connected pieces of a historical fact was proved.
Why,
In a palace,
Was a foreigner able to kill the empress?
It is doubt.
Do not you think so?:-)

because they attacked it? They brougt guns and soliders, marched in, and killed the empress. Actually from what i know, they actually went into the palace (which is more like an oversized mansion without any real defensive walls or structures, just some guards), kidnapped her and killed her outside the palace and burned her body (after pouring gasoline i think to destroy any evidence). I dont even think there is a single photo of her either existing right now.

And i dotn know how i claim caster51's opinion. I can say the dinosaurs never existed, and call it a myth, but if somebody shows me how all the archeologist agree with dinosaurs, it does not prove that it was a myth. It proves that myths are myths and facts are facts.

One thing that interests me, is that dont you think you find it funny japanese are the only ones denying their past history? Russia destroyed stalin statutes. Nazism is banned in Germany, and despite the worldwide pressure and acknowledgement, japan is the only country who are still criticized for their world war II actions.

To me it is even more complicated, because long after WWII I learnt that quite some camp-guardians who had been extremely cruel towards their Dutch prisoners were not always Japanese but also Koreans.
When I mentioned that the names were Japanese, I was told that the Korean names had received Japanese names. Not so strange really.

this is very true. they had the same problems in korea. korean prison officers appointed by the japanese, were known to show no mercy to their kinmen.

Part of the reason is because Japanese people only chose the cruel people as guardians. And as shown from the slavery era where black people belted blacks to get the work done, those guys will only choose the psychos who beat others senseless as the guards.
 
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this is very true. they had the same problems in korea. korean prison officers appointed by the japanese, were known to show no mercy to their kinmen.

Part of the reason is because Japanese people only chose the cruel people as guardians. And as shown from the slavery era where black people belted blacks to get the work done, those guys will only choose the psychos who beat others senseless as the guards.

excellent excuse 😊
 
excellent excuse 😊


yes. its only an excuse. Koreans and all koreans are sorry to the people they have caused their pain. Many koreans are especially sorry for what happened in the Vietnam war, for the Korean army's 's cruelty.

However, for one cruel korean prison guards, there were ten japanese imperialist soliders raping the dutch, indonesian, chinese and koreans. So although Koreans would give apology to people who have suffered, Japanese people, espeically the ones who deny any war crime like you, shouldnt be the one asking for apology.
 
at first, there is no question about their name that Japan forced was not true

Is it ok that is Myth.

so was Korean language.

then .I go for about Land...
 
To me it is even more complicated, because long after WWII I learnt that quite some camp-guardians who had been extremely cruel towards their Dutch prisoners were not always Japanese but also Koreans.
When I mentioned that the names were Japanese, I was told that the Korean names had received Japanese names. Not so strange really.
The Chinese living in Indonesia have also changed their names into Indonesian names. So I understand that those things happen.
Here's some validation of this issue. Koreans were infamous for their unnecessary cruelty and sadistic treatment of prisoners, even more than the Japanese.
Truth Commission Should Be Truthful
By Michael Breen
Korea Times
Nov. 16, 2006
At my father's funeral in England some time ago, I fell into conversation with his closest friend. They had worked together in a local bank. After some words of condolence, he asked if I was still living in Korea. ``Yes, I am,'' I said. By that time, I had been in Seoul for 18 years. It was more familiar to me than England. ``What do you think of the Koreans?'' he asked. I waxed lyrical about the Irish of the East. After a minute, I knew I had lost my audience. ``Maybe they have changed from my time,'' he said.
Then he told me his story. He had met his Koreans in the 1940s, when he was a prisoner of war under the Japanese. Like thousands of other young British and allied soldiers in World War II, he had been captured in Southeast Asia. The Japanese were unspeakably cruel to those they defeated. I worked in London once with a man who had, as a POW, witnessed guards executing a lineup of Australians with a bayonet up the rectum. Many of the Japanese guards in those camps were from Korea, which, you will know, was part of Japan then.
In fact, my father's friend told me, the Koreans were the worst. ``Horrible people,'' he said. I've never had the heart to tell my Korean friends this story because it is hurtful. But also because I know they would have no idea what this man might be talking about. But they should. The government of President Roh Moo-hyun is trying to clear up the pain from this period and needs serious help with its moral compass. Take, for example, the outrageous reversal this week by a Korean government panel of the rulings by allied tribunals after World War II on Korean war criminals.
The Truth Commission on Forced Mobilization under the Japanese Imperialism (sic) announced on Monday that 83 of the 148 Koreans convicted of war crimes were victims of Japan and should not be blamed. A ruling on three more is pending, and families have requested a review of the 23 Koreans who were executed. I accept that war crimes tribunals are biased. The victor catches the losers in his net. And that net had holes. Just as some got away -- like the monsters of Unit 731 in China, who did gruesome medical experiments on prisoners but were let go by the Americans in exchange for their biological warfare research findings -- so perhaps some were unjustly accused.
But not all were found guilty. War tribunals in Japan tried 25 Class A criminals (for ``crimes against peace,'' ie, starting a war) and 300,000 in the Class B (war crimes) and Class C (crimes against humanity) categories. Around 5,600 were prosecuted in numerous trials elsewhere in Asia, and 4,400 were convicted. Of these, around 1,000 were executed, including the 23 Koreans. The 83 Koreans in question were Class B and Class C war criminals who received sentences from one and half years to life.
They were not tried as soldiers or POW camp guards who had done their jobs. They were tried for over-zealousness, for decisions and actions over and above the call of duty. They were the thugs, the brutes, the monsters, the most horrible of the ``horrible people'' my father's friend knew. By what authority does the Truth Commission have to remove their individual responsibility with its class act defense of nationality? Such skewed morality led to the crimes against the lowest class-- ``prisoners'' -- in the first place. People who committed crimes against humanity are not innocent by virtue of being Korean any more than Japanese who brutalized Koreans are innocent by virtue of being Japanese.
If the Truth Commission wants to get its moral bearings straight and live up to its name, it should examine the broader assumptions with which it is approaching its mission to resolve the pain of the past. In doing so, it should recognize that the idea that Koreans were all unhappy citizens of imperialism bar a few collaborators is a myth. Koreans were Japanese citizens, and it did not occur to many to support the allies against their own country. Ask anyone who lived in that period, and they will tell you that the political correctness of the post-colonial generation is distorted.
They will also tell you that from 1937-42, Koreans in the Japanese army were volunteers -- who included King Kojong's son, an army general -- and that large-scale forced conscription only started in 1944. The Commission should know that those rounding up comfort women were Koreans and those torturing people in police stations were mostly Koreans. Koreans, in other words, were more ``horrible'' to Koreans in many cases than the Japanese were. The solution to this dilemma is to accept the notion of individual responsibility. I asked my father's friend why he thought the Koreans camp guards were so nasty. ``When the camp commander was angry about something, he'd berate his officers,'' he explained. ``The officers would take their frustration out on the Japanese privates, and they would take theirs out on the Korean privates. The Koreans would then take their anger out on the only people beneath them -- that was us.''
So, Truth Commissioners, who's the victim, my father's friend or the camp guard? Ultimately, we can say with distance that both were. But there is a process to get there. First, the criminal must acknowledge his crimes, and only then can he be forgiven. The Truth Commission has no right to intervene in this process and forgive Korean war criminals. That is for their victims to do. How many of their stories has the Commission examined?
As it goes about addressing issues from the Japanese period, modern Korea owes it to the primary victims -- in this case, the prisoners brutalized by those convicted war criminals -- to tread with sensitivity on their graves.
Michael Breen is the president of the public relations agency, Insight Communications Consultants, and author of "The Koreans."http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200611/kt2006111619251454330.htm
 
because long after WWII I learnt that quite some camp-guardians who had been extremely cruel towards their Dutch prisoners were not always Japanese but also Koreans.
When I mentioned that the names were Japanese, I was told that the Korean names had received Japanese names. Not so strange really.

at first,the most impotant korean character is 恨(han, resentment)
most Japanese Know it.
as for foced comfot women, it was impossible for Japanese to do like that even at that time in korean society
Han (cultural) - Wikipedia

it also makes their enegy ... we can see it in sports, competition, education so on. and Hwabyeong . it exsists in everything of korean society
Hwabyeong - Wikipedia.

here is an official documment of notification that Japanese soldier must treat them like this.
1145029997-1.webp

1)Give them the red pepper as much as desired
2)Do not beat them at any time. they tend to revange.
3)Teach the distinction between the bucket for meal and the bucket for the
cleaning.
4)Two Japanese soldiers must take side because they become panics easily under a dangerous situation.

3500 Koreans were worked for guards of POws.
and they did brutality acts against white ppl.
Japanese army seems to have been also embarrassed with this.

However white ppl is an expert of retribution
then many korean guards were excuted as B $ C criminals.

off course. it was japanese responsiblity that Japan did not educated them well.most of guards were not soldiers. They were civilians who had been employed to the Japanese army.

But all the rest I know about the two Korea's I learnt through reading books, magazines and surfing over Internet

there was famous Korean lieutenant general who did not change his name.
in school album , doccument and newspaper at that time. there were so many korean name.

It is not desirable for Japan because we can not distinguish like today's problem.

I am a Zapanese.
 
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yes. its only an excuse. Koreans and all koreans are sorry to the people they have caused their pain. Many koreans are especially sorry for what happened in the Vietnam war, for the Korean army's 's cruelty.
...

Who are the members of the Vietnam war veterans strongly opposing the apology? Aren't they Koreans?
 
Who are the members of the Vietnam war veterans strongly opposing the apology? Aren't they Koreans?

some koreans i believe. But historians will never deny what happened in Vietnam as myth, like the japanese historians purchasing a ad in WP who were dedicated to bend the truth.

Isolated denials of war crimes in japan really does not annoy the neighbors. It is the historians, politicians, the prime ministers who deny the war crimes that pisses off the rest of the world, chinese, philippinos, koreans, australians, and even americans believe japan has no sense of self-dignity and are shameless in their portrayal of the war.
 
some koreans i believe. But historians will never deny what happened in Vietnam as myth, like the japanese historians purchasing a ad in WP who were dedicated to bend the truth.
...

Ok, what do you explain many Korean historians or critics appologised to your grandma?
And what was the quick denial of the former president Kim, "it was not the apology to Vietnam" after he was asked by your media?

You are talking about the confort women. Why don't you ask the US for your favorite apology and compensation for the military brothel in your country?
I think it was great to outlaw the prostitution in your country, but it is not good to export it to other countries. Just count how many illegal or I should say undocumented Korean immigrants in the US. Your country is not a regional player anymore.
 
This thread is just unbelievable. If anything highlights the issues with Japanese and WWII - this would be it.
 
This thread is just unbelievable. If anything highlights the issues with Japanese and WWII - this would be it.

I Konw Tojo and A-criminals were noting to do with Korean( about M&A with korean , invasion of korean , whatever....)
off course ,they have a nothing to do with that.
However they insist Yasukuni matter as a Victim
 
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