V(ない type) ＋ と question

[maxchu]

As title, what do sentences like that mean? For ex:

ぜひ 見ないと ....

もう 帰らないと....

Thanks in advance.

 

[Buntaro]

They mean: If you/I do not ... then ... will happen.

 

[JimmySeal]

As title, what do sentences like that mean? For ex:

ぜひ 見ないと ....

もう 帰らないと....

Thanks in advance.

If those are used as sentences on their own, then they mean.
By all means [X] must see [it].
I must go back.

 

[undrentide]

Actually there's hidden いけない after these ～ないと.

ぜひ見ないと（いけない）
もう帰らないと（いけない）

～ないといけない is similar to ～なくてはいけない/～なくてはならない, meaning must/have to ~ (as Jimmy Seal san translated.)

 

[maxchu]

They mean: If you/I do not ... then ... will happen.

Thanks for the response. I thought the same too, but the context tells me it should mean something else different...☝

If those are used as sentences on their own, then they mean.
By all means [X] must see [it].
I must go back.

Thanks for the response. I think you have the right answer for me.
I am wondering why my book doesn't explain this usage...

 

[maxchu]

Actually there's hidden いけない after these ～ないと.
ぜひ見ないと（いけない）
もう帰らないと（いけない）
～ないといけない is similar to ～なくてはいけない/～なくてはならない, meaning must/have to ~ (as Jimmy Seal san translated.)

Thanks for the response. ～なくてはいけない/～なくてはならない reminds me
what I learnt

~なければ なりません means must/have to

too.

what's the difference between these two?

TIA.

 

[MrWabu]

If I remember correctly...

～なければなりません（なければならない） is something you must do, that is enforced by some outside rule.
For example:
「今晩宿題をしなければならない」
「ご飯を食べた後薬を飲まなければならない」

～なくてはいけない is something you must do, but only enforced by yourself. I believe this is the more commonly used of the two.
For example:
「もう遅い。帰らなくてはいけない」
（映画館を出るとき）「この映画もう一度見なくてはい けない！」

 

[maxchu]

If I remember correctly...

～なければなりません（なければならない） is something you must do, that is enforced by some outside rule.
For example:
「今晩宿題をしなければならない」
「ご飯を食べた後薬を飲まなければならない」

～なくてはいけない is something you must do, but only enforced by yourself. I believe this is the more commonly used of the two.
For example:
「もう遅い。帰らなくてはいけない」
（映画館を出るとき）「この映画もう一度見なくてはい けない！」

Thanks, Mr. Wabu. Your explanation is very helpful.

 

[Elizabeth]

If I remember correctly...
～なければなりません（なければならない） is something you must do, that is enforced by some outside rule.
For example:
「今晩宿題をしなければならない」
「ご飯を食べた後薬を飲まなければならない」
～なくてはいけない is something you must do, but only enforced by yourself. I believe this is the more commonly used of the two.
For example:
「もう遅い。帰らなくてはいけない」
（映画館を出るとき）「この映画もう一度見なくてはいけない！」

Really ? I'd see まなければならない much more frequently in general conversation I suppose since なくてはいけない is way the more polite (and colder) of the two. And I don't think it is a matter of enforcement although there are some differences in usage that I know sort of instinctively but can't explain well.

 

[Mikawa Ossan]

Really ? I'd see まなければならない much more frequently in general conversation I suppose since なくてはいけない is way the more polite (and colder) of the two. And I don't think it is a matter of enforcement although there are some differences in usage that I know sort of instinctively but can't explain well.

Hehehe! I've never given it much though, but my first thought is that I hear "~~いけない" a lot more in general conversation, and "～～ならない" more in writing. I also see "～～ならぬ" more than you might think.

 

[undrentide]

To me, ～ならない and ～いけない do not make much difference in meaning.
If anything, ならない sounds slightly more formal than いけない.
In daily, casual conversation I think the most commonly used expression is ～しなくちゃ which is contracted form of しなくては and with either いけない or ならない omitted.