Defence Chinese spy plane violates Japanese airspace

[thomas]

A Chinese military surveillance plane breached Japanese airspace on Monday, prompting a strong protest from Tokyo. The Y-9 aircraft, belonging to the People's Liberation Army, flew over the Danjo Islands, a set of small islands in the East China Sea. This was the first time a Chinese military aircraft had violated Japanese territory.

A Chinese Y-9 reconnaissance plane (Kyodo via Japan Ministry of Defense)​

Japan's Air Self-Defense Force scrambled fighter jets to intercept the Chinese plane in response. The Japanese government lodged a formal protest with the Chinese Embassy in Tokyo, demanding that such incidents not be repeated. The Ministry of Defense also conveyed its strong objection to the Chinese Foreign Ministry through diplomatic channels. As of now, the Chinese side has not issued a public statement regarding the incident.

While Monday's violation was the first by a Chinese military plane, a fixed-wing aircraft belonging to Beijing's former State Oceanic Administration crossed the boundary in 2012, as did a small unmanned aircraft belonging to the China Coast Guard in 2017.

Japan says Chinese military violated territorial airspace for first time

The ministry said one of the Chinese military's Y-9 intelligence-gathering planes had briefly entered Japanese territory near the Danjo Islands in Nagasaki Prefecture.

www.japantimes.co.jp

Japan protests after a Chinese reconnaissance plane violated its airspace

Japan has protested to Beijing that a Chinese reconnaissance plane violated Japanese airspace and forced it to scramble fighter jets

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Chinese surveillance plane breaches Japanese airspace for first time

Japan's defense ministry says fighters were scrambled to warn off Y-9

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[Achilles 1-1]

As long is china is still a communist country, This kind of stuff will keep happening to japan. I don't like china as much as the next American, and china will continue the beef with japan about some war crimes that happened almost a hundred years ago. Chinas communist rule must be overthrown, if china hopes to survive. If it does not happen, eventually every country besides North Korea and a few others will be united in war against china, a massive wave of mass destruction that the Great Wall cannot stop, and will continue until the communist rule is overthrown and a democratic government is put into place with a leader who we know is not corrupted by communism. China has lost to Japan before, and will continue to lose, especially since America is allied with japan, along with the other allies. The third sino-Japanese, otherwise known as World War III will happen if this does not stop. And I know I will stand by japan in this war. China is a beautiful place, rich in history and culture, but its communist rule is polluting china in the eyes of the world. China must be helped, not destroyed. Helped to claim a peaceful future in this world. I know many people who would love to visit a democratic china, and so would I.

 

[thomas]

While uncalled for, poking each other's borders to probe defence lines is a decades-old game. It's not like Japan is totally innocent.

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[mdchachi]

will continue until the communist rule is overthrown and a democratic government is put into place with a leader who we know is not corrupted by communism.

If we did this, chances are the leader will be corrupted by something else even if it's not communism. Democracy doesn't flourish as easily as we once thought. We have a long history in meddling in other countries affairs and often the result is not better. Read up on the history of Iran for example.

 

[thomas]

Japanese defence officials seem still baffled by a Chinese military plane that may have intentionally or unintentionally violated Japanese airspace near the Danjo Islands in Nagasaki Prefecture on 26 August. They stated that this was the first confirmed intrusion by a Chinese military aircraft into Japanese airspace.

Some in the Defense Ministry and SDF suspect the Chinese Y-2 plane "simply took a wrong course and entered Japan's territorial airspace." After analyzing the route of the Chinese plane, a ministry official said, "We can assume that the sharp angle the plane took immediately after the airspace violation may have been caused by panic by the pilot." The official said the plane was likely collecting intelligence about two Air SDF monitoring radar facilities in the area.

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[Achilles 1-1]

If we did this, chances are the leader will be corrupted by something else even if it's not communism. Democracy doesn't flourish as easily as we once thought. We have a long history in meddling in other countries affairs and often the result is not better. Read up on the history of Iran for example.

It's much better than a communist rule though.

 

[mdchachi]

It's much better than a communist rule though.

I don't know. I think I'd rather live in China or Vietnam than Iran.

 

[Achilles 1-1]

I don't know. I think I'd rather live in China or Vietnam than Iran.

Honestly, that would be a much better option than Iran. But a communist rule is a communist rule. Who knows? Maybe china could deem you and enemy and in prison you. Same with Vietnam.

 

[Mikawa Ossan]

In fairness, such an outcome is not limited to communist countries.

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And honestly, in practice, I think the real issue is less the economic system than the political system. Concentrating too much power into too few hands with too few checks and balances is a recipe for tragedy.

 

[Achilles 1-1]

While uncalled for, poking each other's borders to probe defence lines is a decades-old game. It's not like Japan is totally innocent.

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Yes, but china has a history of causing wars. Such as the sino-Indian war, sino-vietnamese war. And the Tibetan uprising

 

[Grandpa Frank]

While stationed in Fukuoka , it was very common for 3 Russian nuke bombers to take off and head for Japan at least twice a month. We would follow their flight with HFDF tracking. Always , they turned around just before Japanese air space. Then one day they didn't and flew quite a ways in. Talk about a panic. We had our Navy base in Sasebo scramble everyone into attack mode. Japanese launched their planes . And about then , the Russian planes turned back. Made for an exciting day at our HFDF building. Years ago , I noticed our building and antenna system was still being used by Japan to track their aircraft.

 

[Grandpa Frank]

This is an HFDF room in the early 70's. When a signal, usually morse code type would be found , it would be sent to our room. Those round screens in the picture would be where the signal would be shown. We would take a compass reading on it and send it to Hawaii headquarters. Their computer would take the eight different readings and usually pinpoint the sender's location within 100 yards. It could be a sub, airplane, surface ship or a land-based station. When I was in, most targets were Russian, Chinese or North Korean and North Vietnam. Our room was about 15 long and 10 feet wide, crammed with tons of electronics. Our base was located about 3 miles from the main base to prevent interference from the main base's radios. We had a Navy crew cab Dodge pickup with the steering wheel on the wrong side. For some reason, they always had me drive the 5 man crew to work. To get to the building, there was a building with A Japanese soldier who would open a gate to let you in. Then you drove about a half mile to the main building. It was surrounded by a 12 foot high barb wire fence with an armed US Army guard who would check our ID badges and let us in. Inside were separate rooms for Army, Air Force , Navy , Marines and also a room for Canadians. It was an interesting 2 years and because the room was so small, we took turns getting extra days off. I will always be grateful for the Navy sending me there.

 

[Petaris]

Spy plane.... bomber.... submarine.... GEESE!!!!! CALL THE CANADIANS!!!

Just seems so odd, Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines and Canadians.

 

[Grandpa Frank]

The Canadians never seem to talk to us. I never understood how they ended up in our building , LOL. I always felt bad for the Marines. Their equipment was always the old junk the Navy got rid of. It still worked , but made the job a lot harder. Another interesting thing I learned was how at that time we spied on all our allies. I asked one of the officers and he explained it this way. The spy game is like putting a giant very complicated puzzle together. Often times the pieces we are missing were found by our friends. Since spy agencies from all countries don't want anyone to know about them , there is little to no sharing of info. SO....we have to get it through spying on them (and they would be spying on us as well). It all seemed a bit crazy to me at the time. Back then , everything you learned was based on "need to know". As a low man on the spy totem pole , I didn't have access to a lot of info. BUT....we had an officer who always left the latest top secret info all over his desk , not locked up like it should have been. There were no officers on duty on the night shift and I would go in and read all the material he left out. I should not have , but I found it all super interesting , LOL. One thing I always was shocked about were spy photos and their detail back then (1971-1972). One shot of a truck in North Vietnam showed the license plate on it almost clear enough to read.

 

[Petaris]

The Canadians never seem to talk to us. I never understood how they ended up in our building , LOL. I always felt bad for the Marines. Their equipment was always the old junk the Navy got rid of. It still worked , but made the job a lot harder. Another interesting thing I learned was how at that time we spied on all our allies. I asked one of the officers and he explained it this way. The spy game is like putting a giant very complicated puzzle together. Often times the pieces we are missing were found by our friends. Since spy agencies from all countries don't want anyone to know about them , there is little to no sharing of info. SO....we have to get it through spying on them (and they would be spying on us as well). It all seemed a bit crazy to me at the time. Back then , everything you learned was based on "need to know". As a low man on the spy totem pole , I didn't have access to a lot of info. BUT....we had an officer who always left the latest top secret info all over his desk , not locked up like it should have been. There were no officers on duty on the night shift and I would go in and read all the material he left out. I should not have , but I found it all super interesting , LOL. One thing I always was shocked about were spy photos and their detail back then (1971-1972). One shot of a truck in North Vietnam showed the license plate on it almost clear enough to read.

Maybe the Canadians were there to spy on us by reading those same top secret reports on your CO's desk.
I wonder if they sent the info back to Canada using carrier geese?

 

[mdchachi]

This is an HFDF room in the early 70's. When a signal , usually morse code type would be found , it would be sent to our room. Those round screens in the picture would be where the signal would be shown. We would take a compass reading on it and send it to Hawaii headquarters. Their computer would take the 8 different readings and usually pinpoint the sender's location within 100 yards. It could be a sub , airplane , surface ship or a land based station. When I was in , most targets were Russian , Chinese or North Korean and North Vietnam. Our room was about 15 long and 10 feet wide , crammed with tons of electronics. Our base was located about 3 miles from the main base to prevent interference from the main base's radios. We had a Navy crew cab Dodge pickup with the steering wheel on the wrong side. For some reason , they always had me drive the 5 man crew to work. To get to the building , there was a building with A Japanese soldier who would open a gate to let you in. Then you drove about a half mile to the main building. It was surrounded by a 12 foot high barb wire fence with an armed US Army guard who would check our ID badges and let us in. Inside were separate rooms for Army , Air Force , Navy , Marines and also a room for Canadians. It was an interesting 2 years and because the room was so small , we took turns getting extra days off. I will always be grateful for the Navy sending me there.

Sounds similar but a better gig than manning the Missile Man silos. I heard that that was not a plum job. Maybe due to the lack of sushi in North and South Dakota.

 

[Achilles 1-1]

While stationed in Fukuoka , it was very common for 3 Russian nuke bombers to take off and head for Japan at least twice a month. We would follow their flight with HFDF tracking. Always , they turned around just before Japanese air space. Then one day they didn't and flew quite a ways in. Talk about a panic. We had our Navy base in Sasebo scramble everyone into attack mode. Japanese launched their planes . And about then , the Russian planes turned back. Made for an exciting day at our HFDF building. Years ago , I noticed our building and antenna system was still being used by Japan to track their aircraft.

Damn, ur like my real grandpa. Always an interesting story to tell.

 

[Mansoor]

As far as I know, Chinese government avoid actions that damage its commercial aspect in the world. China doesn't follow tension-causing decisions and actions that damage its peaceful policies and manner, but it is sensitive to its border line in the South China Sea, and is also irritable about Taiwan recognizing it as a part of China's territory.

China today is one of the most developed countries in technology and industry. It is also a wealthy country due to its comprehensive global trade, so it doesn't need to spy on Japan's airspace!

So, the reason for the Chinese reconnaissance plane flight on the China Sea must be something else.

 

[Mikawa Ossan]

As far as I know, Chinese government avoid actions that damage its commercial aspect in the world. China doesn't follow tension-causing decisions and actions that damage its peaceful policies and manner, but it is sensitive to its border line in the South China Sea, and is also irritable about Taiwan recognizing it as a part of China's territory.

China today is one of the most developed countries in technology and industry. It is also a wealthy country due to its comprehensive global trade, so it doesn't need to spy on Japan's airspace!

So, the reason for the Chinese reconnaissance plane flight on the China Sea must be something else.

I think most countries spy on just about everyone else. They just don't want to get caught, as that is a major faux pas, because it isn't 'polite'.

 

[Mansoor]

However, there is spying in the world, but it depends on the purpose for which it is used. Some countries use it to maintain their own security, while some use it to influence the government and military systems of other countries for malicious purposes that are evil and not peaceful.

I think, China despite its developed and powerful military forces, is mostly concerned about its security, the security of North Korea (as a friend and neighboring country), and Taiwan, instead of transregional spying activities.

 

[thomas]

Just five days after this incident, a Chinese Navy survey ship entered Japanese territorial waters off Kagoshima Prefecture.

The Shupang-class vessel entered the waters southwest of Kagoshima's Kuchinoerabu Island. This marks the 13th incident since last September, prompting the Japanese government to express concern. Japanese maritime forces closely monitored the Chinese ship before departing after nearly two hours. The Defense Ministry stated on X (formerly Twitter) that it would defend Japan's territory, territorial waters, and airspace. Survey vessels can gather valuable data about the seabed, including topography, depth, and temperature. Japanese officials believe that the Chinese military may be collecting this information to support the operations of their submarines in the area.

Japan's Foreign Ministry said in a statement that Hiroyuki Namazu, the director-general of the ministry's Asian and Oceanian Affairs Bureau, had expressed "strong concern" over the move to the Chinese Embassy in Tokyo in light of this week's airspace incursion, with the Chinese side offering an explanation of their stance. The statement did not offer further details.

Chinese Navy ship enters Japanese territorial waters

The move came just days after Japan strongly protested the first entry into its airspace by a Chinese military aircraft.

www.japantimes.co.jp

 

[Lothor]

Yes, but china has a history of causing wars. Such as the sino-Indian war, sino-vietnamese war. And the Tibetan uprising

Wow! That's rich coming from an American! When I was growing up in the 80s, it seemed like you guys were meddling in a different Latin American country each year.

 

[Grandpa Frank]

A lot of the spy business is devoted to picking up the other countries electronic signals. Let's say I want to know what frequencies Japanese radar operate on. I send a ship or plane into their space and when they use radar to spot it , I now know what frequencies to block if there is a war. Same with missile weapons launches when they take place. If you know what freq the attack missile headed for you is on , you send a message to it to block it. It's all a lot more complicated , but it's a lot of what drives the spy business. An example for when I was in the Navy...the Russians seem to use the same frequencies over and over to send messages. It made it very easy to spy on them. Most countries rotated freqs and never used the same channels twice. In the early 70's , we used recording machines that each one covered 16 channels. If no operator picked up a signal , chances are the bank of 50 recorders did and it would later be sent for decoding. I imagine with everything done mostly from space these days , there is a lot more amazing spying going on. Old spooks often remark that now days , if Putin farts , we can tell what his last meal was , LOL.

 

[Mikawa Ossan]

Old spooks often remark that now days , if Putin farts , we can tell what his last meal was , LOL.

Imagine the possibilities for synergy.

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[Mansoor]

I think, China has nothing to do with Japan itself, but it is careful about the presence of US military units in Japan and their secret activities against China. Japan is now the closest confronting point of America and China, unlike the US fleets in the ocean.

One day in the past, Japan was considered a formidable and powerful competitor for China. At that time, China had a weak and inconsistent government and army, and did not make remarkable progress in technology and industries (with a high rate).

Today, China is not worried about Japan, which considers it like a tiger without fangs and claws. Instead, it is concerned about the activities of the US military and spying bases in Japan. Although they are not currently a serious and imminent danger for China, the Chinese are aware that neglecting US plans, as one of the few world powers, could be a great mistake.

On the other hand, America is aware of the military power of China and Russia and tries not to engage with these two formidable powers horn to horn. It also avoids provoking North Korea, which is closely connected to China.