WHY Japanese often say BAKA?

Elizabeth said:
No, of course I haven't been privy to the uncensored version. All I know is from reading secondhand that words like kichigai, kyouki and kyoujin were deleted from Japanese broadcasts, perhaps reflecting sensitivity to the stigma of "mad," "lunatic," "crazy" etc. to refer to someone as mentally unfit or unstable.

Sure you were privy to them, you just didn't happen to be watching the sam programs at the same time I was.

Anyway I "chatted" with leonmarino about my response and she understood what I was refering to. I have heard it used by some comedian(s) "said with rolling eyes", on TV shows here. Movies are also not censored out either.

And btw there is no way kyoujin would be censored out as the "Kyoujin" are the (unfortunately) most popular baseball team here in Japan.
 
Hachiro said:
Sure you were privy to them, you just didn't happen to be watching the sam programs at the same time I was.
Anyway I "chatted" with leonmarino about my response and she understood what I was refering to. I have heard it used by some comedian(s) "said with rolling eyes", on TV shows here. Movies are also not censored out either.
And btw there is no way kyoujin would be censored out as the "Kyoujin" are the (unfortunately) most popular baseball team here in Japan.
OK, I stand corrected if none of these words are indeed banned on tv or radio (in the context meaning 'mad' not the giants). I hardly have much of an interest in the subject one way or the other, it was just something I remembered reading a few years ago.
 
Maciamo said:
Or maybe you should read my post more attentively. I was quoting "kuso" and chikoshou", not "usunoro" !
Ah, that would make more sense. I haven't been reading Jref very attentively lately.
 
Ohhh. I really feel bad about not having posted untill now.
(I refrained from posting, as it seemed a bit off-topic and didn't wish to cause further arguments....but I think what I did was just to make the situation worse...T_T)

Anyway, what I meant to say was "kichigai" is one of the terms that Japanese broadcasting companies categorize as a discriminatory term against mentally challenged people. And yet, I admit to say, sometimes, there's still a chance you might hear the word on TV without being beeped out if it's a live show or something. The broadcasting company, then, will most likely put up an apology afterwords for having unappropriate word during the show.

On the other hand, there's no laws on this actually, it's just that those companies refrain voluntarily from airing discriminatory terms.

Reference to Wikipedia(in Japanese only) :
Kichigai, 窶「テコ窶倪?披?ケテ滅ス~窶廃ナ津ェ, 窶「\ナ陳サ窶堙固スツゥナステ・窶ケKツ青ァ
Please be noted that I posted those links for your reference only and I'd never mean, nor wish, to build up further discussion on this topic. ^^;

Anyway, I do understand both what Elizabeth and Hachiro mentioned, they are both right. It may be presumptuous of me to say this, but Elizabeth, I thank you for having spoken for me earlier. I really appreciated it.

And Hachiro, I should've said more clearly when I first posted on this thread. I'm sorry. I'll try to be more careful on my writings.

Thank you for your understanding and consideration. :-)

Q
 
Hachiro said:
And btw there is no way kyoujin would be censored out as the "Kyoujin" are the (unfortunately) most popular baseball team here in Japan.

I thought that was Kyojin.
 
Yeah, 巨人 (kyojin) is the name of the baseball team (the Giants), and 狂人 (kyoujin) is the bad word...
 
Context is everything. I have no doubts that 狂人 gets used on TV without a thought - as long as the context is correct.

差別用語 - Wikipedia

Check that out, got some good lists of words that are gennerally avoided on Japanese TV. Gaijin is in there ;)
(Its less words that are "banned" but ideas and concepts that are avoided. For example "gay" is on the list, but you will hear it on TV. Calling somone gay in a negative sense would be bad, but calling HG gay would be acceptable ;))
 
doinkies said:
Yeah, 窶ケツ青人 (kyojin) is the name of the baseball team (the Giants), and 窶ケツカツ人 (kyoujin) is the bad word...
窶ケツ青人, the baseball team, is also a bad word. 😊
 
Hmmm, I'm not sure if this makes things clearer or more confusing for me! I am traveling to Japan to live in one of my friend's houses this summer for two weeks, and she was a foreign exchange student at my high school all this year. Unfortunately, I speak little to no Japanese, so I asked her if she would help me out and give me some pointers...she said the only word I need to know is baka. ???
 
LovableLeo said:
Unfortunately, I speak little to no Japanese, so I asked her if she would help me out and give me some pointers...she said the only word I need to know is baka. ???

Me thinks she was pulling your leg.......A LOT!:-) :-) :p
 
From what I know, the word baka can have a couple of usages. Obviously when used as an insult, it probably carries a tone similar to konoyaro or temee/temae. When pronounced as like baaaka to a friend or someone close, it could just be looked upon as a friendly tease.

Sometimes baka can be used in different context too. Just because we hear baka (and miss or ignore the rest of the sentence) doesn't always mean that it should be taken as an insult. As another member pointed out, baka ni atsui could mean "very hot", and in another example, "bakateinei" could just mean "too formal" (e.g. using excess honorific language).
 
From what i have observed baka's seriousness is purely based on the tone and attitude its said in.
 
This is an interesting thread. But I'd like to know about Baka-yaro and Hentai-yaro. I got these off some books and on the internet.
 
My girlfriend calls me a Baka-yero all the time for some reason.

She just thinks I'm an otaku because I am familiar with computers and she cant even find a lost file.

Is that for real that in Japan the biggest insult is being called a social outcast for knowing your way around a computer or having a hobby?.

Is having hobbies in Japan considored a failing?.

People with hobbies seem to be likened to insane or fanatical, moreso then say a fan of a band in the west, so is callnig someone obsessed with something in Japan considored a big insult?.
 
Nuri-

Whose the bigger loser? You for being the otaku or her for staying with you? Ask her that next time! lol
 
I like to do stupid stuff, just to amuse my wife, and I get a lot of Ahoka's, Baka's, Yada's and Kitanai's! lol. Slowly I'm getting all the bad language out of her...haha. Won't be long until I hear the really vulger turms.
 
CC1 said:
Nuri-
Whose the bigger loser? You for being the otaku or her for staying with you? Ask her that next time! lol
I bring that up often heh, being an otaku is the biggest insult in Japan sometimes I think, so emagine being labelled as the girlfriend of one? hehehe.
That reminds me of this TV show in Japan about an otaku dating this hottie but not telling her his true nature.
Man it took forever, does Japanese TV ussually have a programme running most of the day?.
Ah, the silly jibes of a relationship, she'll thank me when she needs to call on baby-san to fix up her laptop, then need some comforting...yes..."comforting" bwahahaha!. :p
 
you baka me baka

ricecake said:
I don't speak Japanese,but picked up a few commonly use Japanese words or phrases from watching Chinese-subtitled JAPANESE TV doramas.
Is it a VERY OFFENSIVE WORD to Japanese ?

Its simple, call your buddy stupid he might slap you. He might not. Different people are offended by different words in different languages and in different cultures. Everyone has established that "Baka" isnt a good word so dont use it. If you deserve it dont get angry when someone calls you it.

My wife doesnt speak English at all, she uses Baka a lot because she is young and its a good way to describe her silly friends, herself and me when we joke. It is the tone of voice that holds its intentions. I have never heard Aho and in the area I am from it would start a fight with me. Its best you just leave both words alone and stick to learning polite, business Japanese. That will help you out.

Ps. there are much worse words.

good luck!
 
I'm guessing your wife is from one of the Eastern prefectures, Jesse?
 
Hm, well i skipped page two and most of three but whenever i did something silly as a child my mum would call me baka, well nothings changed much cos she still calls me baka to this day. I never found it very offensive, more jovial. Never heard her use any other bad words, though she would sometimes say 'fun' /'hun' and she told me it meant 's**t' but I dont' really know. Anyone??
 
eemaan said:
Hm, well i skipped page two and most of three but whenever i did something silly as a child my mum would call me baka, well nothings changed much cos she still calls me baka to this day. I never found it very offensive, more jovial. Never heard her use any other bad words, though she would sometimes say 'fun' /'hun' and she told me it meant 's**t' but I dont' really know. Anyone??

I thought it was just the Japanese for Huff.

Ahwell, you learn something new everyday.
 
one meaning of "fun" (糞) is more like "droppings," but when it's used as a sound of exasperation, it's closer to "humpf" or a sigh than "s**t" in the capacity of a swear.
 
窶堙寂?堋ゥツ≫?「ニ谷ニ鍛ニ致ニ停?ケ put together to form ニ弛ニ谷ニ鍛ニ致ニ停?ケツ is another usage of 窶堙寂?堋ゥ, used when talking about a stupid couple. I first found that out when my ex lass used it to describe us. lol
 
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