I wouldn't go so far as to say it has a positive meaning because many people are over enthusiastic to the detriment of others when they become something-baka.Baka also has a positive meaning as well when you use "noun + baka".
Karate Baka means something like an ardent karate enthusiast
I'm guessing it's worse than kuso and chikushou.
Mikawa Ossan said:In Kansai, baka is much more offensive than is aho. Aho is almost friendly in Kansai, but leave the Kansai region, and use it at your own peril! I personally would much prefer to be called aho than baka.
Of course, even in Kansai the friend-vs-stranger rule applies!
But seriously, baka is pretty offensive in general. It's like calling someone an idiot or a fool. Of course in certain contexts it can be OK, and I suppose even endearing, but it's a word that I for one, don't much care for.
yukio_michael said:kichigai refers to someone's mental state being crazy, insane, or schizophrenic, and is sometimes used amoungst friends but is generally offensive when used about someone else casually...
Hachiro said:btw, question here, why is profanity in English filtered out here but not words that are considered profanity and not usually used in common speech in Japanese not filtered out? Profanity is profanity right, or is everything selective. I have heard that to some English users the word f**k is not that profane and is used in common language as an exclaimation, just as kuso or baka in Japanese. Things that make you go hmmmm.....
Maciamo said:But that's does not mean the same. It is not about a lack of intelligence. They translate as "sh*t" or "crap", which are some of the most common (and childish) "bad words" in about all languages.
Aren't 窶ケツカ窶ケC (kyouki) and 窶ケツカツ人 (Kyoujin) also on the ツ債キ窶「テ看津ェl ? It seems more a matter here of political correctness and cultural standards than what is truly considered vulgar or defamatory. ☝Kichigai is the one of the terms that gets censored on TV or the radio in Japan. Only word I use in a conversation is "Tora kichi"(short for Tora kichigai) to call myself; It means "A big fan of Tigers, crazy about Tigers".
Kichigai is the one of the terms that gets censored on TV or the radio in Japan
Because profanities in English can offend some people
You should wait for using the 2ch words/smilies in your life till they get popluar like Densha Otoko, Moe or whatever.yukio_michael said:The online acronym DQN, for dokyun is probably the most offensive word I can think of in Japanese...
...for those keeping score.
I agree on this one. In many countries it is against the law to insult civil servants (police for example), so calling names at them would end up in a fine or worse. I often wondered what would happen if I used vulgar language that they do not understand, like Japanese. I am sure as they do not understand what it means you can get away with it. (Unless of course, they ask you the meaning and you're so naive to tell them what it means..)Hachiro said:By only filtering out English profanities a double standard is being upheld.
Elizabeth said:Let's try to get this discussion back on track.....
First of all it's impractical to auto censor Japanese words in romaji. Secondly, they could always be rewritten in kana or kanji which apparently not enough admins are trained to read and correctly interpret.
Just tell the troublemakers directly and in person 窶堙凪?堋エ窶堋ッ窶堙ゥ (from Zakennnayo)if anyone has a problem with this.
I understand that very well that this is an English language-based forum, and for that reason only the English vulgarities are censored. Personally though, I think censorships do not solve the core of the problem, which is a rotten attitude and incompetence to take other people's feelings into account when communicating, be it in English, Japanese, Dutch or Swahili.
They may be offended, whether more have complained than contributed I can't say, but rude/vulgar/insulting words do exist everywhere and looking at them analytically is a natural part of studying any foreign language and culture.Whether or not the problem is with romaji, kana. or kanji, offensive words or posts that use potentially offensive ones should be modified or deleted.
That also includes threads similar to this that make a point out of the usage of a word that can be offensive to some people in the audience here.
Hachiro said:If I started a thread asking if, for example, English people found the word f**k to be offensive or s**t to be offensive to American's people here would automatically expect the posts to be deleted or modified to correct the offensive term.
Tollen said:why? that's jsut over censoring.... i mean as-long as the title is obviously asterixed and all then people can choose to enter the thread or not... as long as it's adult conversation (and not childish) about the topic thats has obviously interested several people and is an interesting cultural difference then whats the big problem???
Technically I suppose most of the hardcore terms are broad enough to include at least one or two less objectionable English translations but just as one example I offered earlier with a smilie behind it, Zakennnayo, in most of its guises I'm guessing would equally obscene and distasteful to most Japanese members.Ewok85 said:Japaese does not have swear words like English does, Hiroyuki posted a number of uses for the word baka that are common and are non-offensive. Its not the words that are offensive, its the use. I can say baka and noone would flinch, but if I say f**k, regardless of the context people are likely to find it offensive.
BTW, if you are basing the meaning of Japanese words and phrases on what you have seen in anime subs, stop now. Japanese terms such as baka, aho, usunoro, kuso, kichigai, don't give the same sharp reaction as words in English do.
I'm sure she is sure. I've heard the same myself even over here.Hachiro said:Are you sure about that? As with all words that could have profane or deragatory meanings it all depends on the context of how it is used.
Mikawa Ossan said:Maybe you should look to see what it means in Japanese first.
Glenn said:I knew I should have explained this when I posted it, because I figured someone would respond like this, but I was lazy.
I know that they don't mean the same thing, but that's irrelevant. I was comparing levels of offensiveness. For instance, the English words "c*nt," "****," "assh*le," and "d*ck" don't mean the same thing, but I would rate them in terms of offensiveness in the order I have them in above. The point was, if someone heard usunoro, kuso, and chikushou, which would they find most offensive? I guessed that it would be usunoro.
Also, I'm talking about hearing the words in isolation. If someone heard usunoro in isolation would they think that it was more offensive than either kuso or chikushou? That is, would their reaction be more strongly the "you shouldn't say that" than for the other two? That was my whole point.
Elizabeth said:I'm sure she is sure. I've heard the same myself even over here.
No, of course I haven't been privy to the uncensored version. All I know is from reading secondhand that words like kichigai, kyouki and kyoujin were deleted from Japanese broadcasts, perhaps reflecting sensitivity to the stigma of "mad," "lunatic," "crazy" etc. to refer to someone as mentally unfit or unstable.Hachiro said:I hope you realize that you are contradicting yourself here. If you "heard" the same then the words were not censored out.