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Rinilex · 22 Jul 2013

Hi, I'm listening to a story and there's a word here I just can't get.

A girl says to her boyfriend "I'll never forgive him for what he's done to you." The boy replies. "It couldn't be helped. 彼はこうすりがい(?)。 You mustn't blame him."

But こうすりがい (or any variant thereof I've tried) isn't a word or phrase I can find, so I must be hearing it wrong. But the speaker says it slowly and clearly and I'm struggling to figure out what I'm mishearing. コース___?

The man they're talking about betrayed him by turning him into the government. I thought it might be something to do with him being pressured to do it?

letianchen · 23 Jul 2013

do you have the link? of the .mp3 file

Toritoribe · 23 Jul 2013

こうする以外（なかった）, perhaps?

Rinilex · 25 Jul 2013

Toritoribe said:
こうする以外（なかった）, perhaps?

It could be! こうする and いがい were some of the possibilities I found, but it didn't make much sense to me and I've not come across いがい or how it's supposed to be used before. How would you translate it?

Toritoribe · 25 Jul 2013

There is no words after こうする以外, something like なかったんだ as I wrote? The phrase preceding it (the one you translated "It couldn't be helped") is どうしようもなかったんだ or something like that? If so, it's an inversion. They are one sentence; 彼はこうする以外どうしようもなかったんだ "He didn't have any choice but to do that".

Rinilex · 25 Jul 2013

Toritoribe said:
There is no words after こうする以外, something like なかったんだ as I wrote? The phrase preceding it (the one you translated "It couldn't be helped") is どうしようもなかったんだ or something like that? If so, it's an inversion. They are one sentence; 彼はこうする以外どうしようもなかったんだ "He didn't have any choice but to do that".

Oh, sorry! I see. No, it just says (with distinct pauses between sentences.)

「彼を許せない！ぜったい。。。」
「仕方がなかったんだよ。彼は「・・・」。仕方がなかったんだ。彼を恨んじゃいけない。」

Toritoribe · 25 Jul 2013

彼はこうする以外、仕方がなかったんだ。

This is one sentence.

(Or, another interpretation as an inversion 仕方がなかったんだよ、彼はこうする以外。仕方がなかったんだ。 is also possible.)

Rinilex · 25 Jul 2013

Toritoribe said:
彼はこうする以外、仕方がなかったんだ。

This is one sentence.

(Or, another interpretation as an inversion 仕方がなかったんだよ、彼はこうする以外。仕方がなかったんだ。 is also possible.)

I just understood what you meant earlier. You're right! The pauses are so long I didn't think to connect them. I've never used いがい before, so breaking it down, is it

仕方がなかったんだ = it couldn't be helped/ there was no choice
こうするいがい = except (for him) to do that
?

I always assumed phrases like しょうがない and 仕方がない were stand alone phrases.

Toritoribe · 25 Jul 2013

Rinilex said:
so breaking it down, is it

仕方がなかったんだ = it couldn't be helped/ there was no choice
こうするいがい = except (for him) to do that
?

Yes, that's right.

Rinilex said:
I always assumed phrases like しょうがない and 仕方がない were stand alone phrases.

～たくてしょうがない/仕方（が）ない "to be eager to do" is quite commonly used, too.

Rinilex · 25 Jul 2013

Toritoribe said:
Yes, that's right.
～たくてしょうがない/仕方（が）ない "to be eager to do" is quite commonly used, too.

Thank you for your help!

Oh, I've not heard that either! So would it be used like...

「赤ちゃんが見たくてしょうがない！」 = I really want to see the baby! (Because of what just happened here in England. )

「あなたに会いたくて仕方ない！」 = I'm eager to meet you!
?

Toritoribe · 25 Jul 2013

Perfect!

George Alexander Louis was the top news of yesterday also here in Japan.

Rinilex · 25 Jul 2013

Toritoribe said:
Perfect!
George Alexander Louis was the top news of yesterday also here in Japan.

Wow, really? It's everywhere in England and I knew America has been broadcasting it, but I had no idea it went as far as Japan!

Is there this much fuss when a baby is born into the Japanese royal family?

Toritoribe · 25 Jul 2013

Yeah, here are pictures of the youngest boy of the Imperial family Akishinonomiya Hisahito's leaving the hospital in 2006.

Rinilex · 25 Jul 2013

Aww, he's absolutely adorable!

A similar situation too, I didn't know he was the first boy born since his dad!

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