Yes, I get that the US didn't set them up, but I wonder if the occupation government encouraged Japan to set up the brothels (remember this happened during the occupation years) or Japan in paranoia decided to do it on their own?
The orders from the Ministry of the Interior came on August 18, 1945, one day before a Japanese delegation flew to the Philippines to negotiate the terms of their country's surrender and occupation.
Police officials and Tokyo businessmen established a network of brothels under the auspices of the Recreation and Amusement Association, which operated with government funds. On August 28, 1945, an advance wave of occupation troops arrived in Atsugi, just south of Tokyo. By nightfall, the troops found the RAA's first brothel.
Was it right? Good question, however I would suggest that it was probably better that they used the brothel's than have the possibility of the "victorious" invaders raping the local women and girls. Like the article stated they were, the brothel's, set up to protect the local population.
One thing that seems to be forgotten here is that the US Military did not set these brothel's up, it was the Japanese authorites at the time, there is a rather large difference there in my opinion.
I do not think that the majority of the women employed by them were prostitutues by design either. Many because of economic conditions at the time had no other options, I feel that they did it because they wanted to live. Even the article points out one story of a girl who committed suicide because she had no other choice of work.
There are no true winners in war but too many losers, even those on the winning side.
You know even today there are those in the US Military that visit Japanese prostitutes even though the "law" here states that prostitution is illegal it still goes on. Times don't change things all that much, where there is lust and a man with money willing to pay, there always seems to be a place where there are women willing to take that money to satisfy them. That much will never change.
The only difference now is whether or not the women were forced or coerced into the work they are doing.
I've already read elsewhere the similar arguments by the defendants of the Japanese comfort women system.
To be fair here and let you know ahead of time and FYI diceke since you choose to respond and write in your abbreviated manner without anything to add to the conversation I would just like you to know that for the time being until I see something of "value" that you can add to this conversation without it being argumentative or causing any undue agitation to the other members following along here I'll be passing on commenting on your posts here from now on.Obeika, kettle logic!
Slavoj Zizek-Bibliography/The Iraq War/Lacan Dot ComWe all remember the old joke about the borrowed kettle which Freud quotes in order to render the strange logic of dreams, namely the enumeration of mutually exclusive answers to a reproach (that I returned to a friend a broken kettle): (1) I never borrowed a kettle from you; (2) I returned it to you unbroken; (3) the kettle was already broken when I got it from you.
Just goes to show that not everything is black and white.
Shame on the US troops and leadership involved/in the know and who did nothing.
I have already said once before."He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
what you insist here is that your "Comfort Women" are prostitutes, our "Comfort Women" are sex slaves. Is it called "double standard"?
But Obeika set up a new place.
GEL and Obeika, what you insist here is that your "Comfort Women" are prostitutes, our "Comfort Women" are sex slaves.
In 1945, here are three kinds of people, the white GIs and the black GIs of the victorious nation, and the non-white women of defeated nation...
Their human rights were all equivalence? I don't think so.
The racism was there. At that time was White supremacy not so criticized?
Neither I nor Obeika ever said as much.Anyway it is impossible that only the US is always right.
I agree that the US is not always right, it's just that we get our mistakes thrown in our face despite the good that we try to do. Not every US soldier is a sex deprived and crazed warrior who wants to rape. There are more good than bad.
And you are also putting words in our mouths. Your using the "straw man" fallacy here, saying that Obeika and I are saying that "oh, it's okay for U.S. troops to do it in Japan" which is absolutely not what we are saying, and you should damn well know it.
If someone from Korea started the thread of Comfort Women issue, Japanese wouldn't respond such emotionally.
Another fine point.Before people go around criticizing others, they should start examining themselves. And before anyone criticizes another country, they should take a hard look at their own and try to change their own first, before they try to change someone else's. At least, that's what plenty of people have been telling George W. Bush. Maybe they should start heeding their own advice.
Do you know how long our biometric info will keep in your government?...
And guess what? White supremacy has been severely criticized in the United States ever since the 1960s. Hell, we are currently arguing to legalize millions of illegal immigrants. Compared to Japan, we are a paradise for those of diverse background. We require passports, as ID, but our cops don't go around harassing foreigners for their "gaijin cards".
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Same. But it is a bit sad that I saw lots of posters gone after he/she started one or two threads.If someone from Korea started the thread of Comfort Women issue, Japanese wouldn't respond such emotionally.
According to that rhetoric, it is none of anyone's business what the United States is doing in Iraq. It's between the U.S. and Iraq, and somehow we should work it out for ourselves.It had occured to me before that some of the Japanese people here posting on this thread find it wrong or somehow insensitive that a "gaijin" like me could bring up a topic such as this. Somehow this topic shouldn't be our concern and we should leave it to the Koreans, Japanese and Chinese to work it out amongst themselves.
According to that rhetoric, it is none of anyone's business what the United States is doing in Iraq. It's between the U.S. and Iraq, and somehow we should work it out for ourselves.
But that isn't the case, especially since everyone is wagging their fingers at us.
I also find it funny that the international community doesn't realize how much dissent there is in the American government.
GodEmperorLeto, you seem to have gotten the opposite meaning from what Obeika said. He said the opposite, that others could/should be involved and discuss issues like this. Obeika was stating that it is some Japanese who seem to think this.According to that rhetoric, it is none of anyone's business what the United States is doing in Iraq. It's between the U.S. and Iraq, and somehow we should work it out for ourselves.
Uh, Pipokun, he has already stated that it's not innocent, so you two seem to be in agreement.Do you know how long our biometric info will keep in your government?
Of course, you don't have to go to your country if you don't want it. But the US is not innocent...
GodEmperorLeto, you seem to have gotten the opposite meaning from what Obeika said. He said the opposite, that others could/should be involved and discuss issues like this. Obeika was stating that it is some Japanese who seem to think this.
Uh, Pipokun, he has already stated that it's not innocent, so you two seem to be in agreement.
then GHQ ordered the japanese to make houses of comfort women for american .
No one found a hard evidence that "Japan government forced".Japanese government forced Korean women to sleep with Japanese soldiers.
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Japanese government collected prostitutes and derelict Japanese women to "hire" them out to American soldiers.
M.739 purchased 22 Korean girls, paying their families from 300 to 1,000 according to the personality , looks and age of the girl. These 22 girls were of ages from 19ツ―31. They became the sole property of P.W. and the Army made no profits from them. H.Q. Korea Army gave him a letter addressed to all military H.Q. of the Japanese Army, requesting them to furnish any assistance he might require, transport, rations, medical attention, etc.
No one found a hard evidence that "Japan government forced".
But US Army has a hard evidence that "Japan government did not forced".
Here is a report by the Office of War Information (OWI) 窶「テ?静ュナスナセツ湘ョ窶「テア窶ケテ?
Comfort women:US document to show girls were sold to brokers