The Limited Grasp of the Law

[RolandtheHeadless]

"No, I think you're delusional. That in itself would make discourse impossible."

Then why persecute the mentally ill?

Some of the people who shout the loudest against homosexuality turn out to have latent homosexual tendencies themselves. Are you a latent sadist?

Your morbid fascination with these videos, combined with your abuse of the mentally ill, make me wonder.

 

[let`s talk]

And the law is only what is law in that particular country. I am not sure if they have an animal protection law in Croatia to punish her. If they don't, she is not doing anything illegal under the Croatian law. This is how it works.

So, somebody was actually arguing whether or not what the person in the video was doing anything wrong in terms of Croatian laws.

Saying something is legal is different than calling it moral.

Actually I did check the stuff and it turned out that, probably due to the eager desire of Croatia to become a member of EU, they had to adjust their legal system. In 2007 Croatia Animal Protection Act came to life. Under that legal act killing animal is prohibited (except humane killing). The punishment is a fine (around 6,000-10,000 converted in British pounds). Somehow I feel that this law is one of the example when things want to look good and right on paper and never work like that in reality. The sum of the fine is ridiculous and I am more than sure the local government will not bother to do anything knowing that people like the woman on the video will never be able to pay such a fine.

This is not how it works, let's talk. We know better than to be sadistic to innocent animals. If you saw a child being beaten to death, you would be outraged, regardless of whether or not the law permits child murder or abuse.

There are a lot of bad places with bad laws in this world. Your point is?

 

[Tsuyoiko]

The sum of the fine is ridiculous and I am more than sure the local government will not bother to do anything knowing that people like the woman on the video will never be able to pay such a fine.

I very much doubt that a person's ability to pay a fine is a deciding factor in whether to prosecute. I would hope that if there's enough evidence, the prosecution would go ahead and there would be further sanctions on non-payment of the fine, such as community service or imprisonment.

 

[Nuala]

Then why persecute the mentally ill?

Do you feel persecuted by me? I'm really sorry to hear you say that. Alaska has some great mental health facilities that you can probably go to and get help for your problems.

Some of the people who shout the loudest against homosexuality turn out to have latent homosexual tendencies themselves.

Yes, that's because they were made to feel guilty about being homosexual by their peers, and those that they look to for advice. I blame the Roman Catholic Church.

Your morbid fascination with these videos

What morbid fascination? I watched the video of the Croatian girl throwing puppies into the river about three times to get all my facts straight. Do I feel guilty that I'm not doing enough to promote animal rights? Sure, I definitely feel guilty about not doing enough. Do I masturbate to videos and pictures of animals being harmed? Not really, no.

Are you a latent sadist?

Only on Sundays, do you have anything to actually contribute to the thread besides disrupting it?

I very much doubt that a person's ability to pay a fine is a deciding factor in whether to prosecute. I would hope that if there's enough evidence, the prosecution would go ahead and there would be further sanctions on non-payment of the fine, such as community service or imprisonment.

Tsuyoiko, I also doubt that a person's ability to pay a fine is a deciding factor in whether to prosecute. That's nonsense.

There are a lot of bad places with bad laws in this world. Your point is?

My point is that we have a responsibility to the animals we've domesticated as a species. While there are dozens of countries where the abuse of animals goes unpunished, there are countries where it is punished, and that we need to work towards making this world a better place for everything on it, especially that which we owe a duty to.

 

[let`s talk]

I very much doubt that a person's ability to pay a fine is a deciding factor in whether to prosecute. I would hope that if there's enough evidence, the prosecution would go ahead and there would be further sanctions on non-payment of the fine, such as community service or imprisonment.

In theory it should be like that. In reality I doubt the Croatian government with their limited resources will bother to invest their forces in cases like that. Prosecution costs money and if they know the process will not bring anything in return, they won't do anything. And it is true for all post-communist countries. Many of them brushed their laws, mainly for the purpose to become an EU member, but the reality works in its old way. For now.

 

[Haruspex]

In theory it should be like that. In reality I doubt the Croatian government with their limited resources will bother to invest their forces in cases like that. Prosecution costs money and if they know the process will not bring anything in return, they won't do anything. And it is true for all post-communist countries. Many of them brushed their laws, mainly for the purpose to become an EU member, but the reality works in its old way. For now.

That is true, but times are changing. It is one thing to join the EU and another to appease it. As far as Community law is concerned, it prevails over national law and the penalties and damages are fairly high for breaches. Some EU countries may be able to bear them and endure for a while, most Eastern Bloc countries don't have the resources. So they must comply, which is good.

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

The OP's use of this thread is a good example of how to propagandize by selectively quoting someone else out of context.

The first sentence I posted under this thread said:

"That woman seemed to take a sadistic pleasure in her task, and I won't defend sadism."

By ignoring that sentence, it became easy for the OP to portray my suggestion that we take off our Western first-world cultural glasses and recognize that the woman's act may have been primarily motivated by the need to cull an unwanted litter as evidence of sadism and mental illness on my part.

 

[Grandpa Frank]

Roland vs Thor

How about you guys fighting in PM's to each other and leave the personal crap out of the forum posts where we have to read it. There is a thing here where you can place another member on "IGNORE" and you don't have to see their bull. If I want to see people fight , I'll turn on the sports channel on TV. The day of personal attacks being a daily part of posts will come to an end real soon or there will be a house cleaning/banning big time.

Uncle Frank

:bikkuri:

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

Okay, I deleted the last line of my post. I believe the rest of my post addresses the OP's words, and not his person. If that's not allowed, then I need some more guidance.

 

[noyhauser]

And it is true for all post-communist countries. Many of them brushed their laws, mainly for the purpose to become an EU member, but the reality works in its old way. For now.

You don't just "brush up" your laws. You go through the Acquis communautaire which forces you to actually change your laws so that it is consistent with EU law before you can join the Union. This process has a major effect on the operation of law in Eastern European countries, I saw it first hand in 2004. As Derfel noted that the penalties for breaches are high; individuals who feel wronged have the ability to seek redress in the ECJ and the Commission.

 

[let`s talk]

You don't just "brush up" your laws. You go through the Acquis communautaire which forces you to actually change your laws so that it is consistent with EU law before you can join the Union. This process has a major effect on the operation of law in Eastern European countries, I saw it first hand in 2004. As Derfel noted that the penalties for breaches are high; individuals who feel wronged have the ability to seek redress in the ECJ and the Commission.

Oh.. Sorry for the wrong use of the word "brush up."