TE Form ています STATE #short

[JapaneseLily]

TE Form to express the STATE in less than one minute.

 

[mdchachi]

What is this form called in Japanese? I read somewhere that Japanese people learn this て as a kind of particle, not a verb conjugation like we do. Is that true?

 

[JapaneseLily]

What is this form called in Japanese? I read somewhere that Japanese people learn this て as a kind of particle, not a verb conjugation like we do. Is that true?

You are right. actually Japanese grammar fpr Japanese people are quite different and so so difficult to understand for foreigners, because it´s quite difficulto for us Japanese. I don´t remember very well but we treat this word TE that doesn´t have any meaning so it´s called 付属語 huzokugo, that doesn´t have any meaning for itself, for example, particles, and auxilial verbs
I think it´s far easier to learn the way as foreginers learn Japanese grammar. I tell you that I even don´t remember well... As for 古文KOBUN, it is ancient Japanese only with KANJI, it´s almost like chinese (but not actual chinese), it was really too difiicult for me and I always felt sleepy in that class Not a good student...

 

[thomas]

Not a good student...

But a good teacher obviously...

 

[Toritoribe]

I read somewhere that Japanese people learn this て as a kind of particle, not a verb conjugation like we do. Is that true?

Yes, that's true. This て is a particle (接続助詞). The main meaning of this て is "to do something, and then~", that's exactly why the -te form is used to connect clauses.

In 学校文法, which Japanese students learn in Japanese school, the form attached to this て is treated as a conjugation form of a verb(連用形). For example, for the -te form of 取る, 取っ is 連用形 even though it ends with the small "tsu".

In classical Japanese, the -te form of 取る is 取りて, and it changes to 取って because of the geminate consonant euphonic change (促音便). As you can see, 取り is the same as 連用形/the -masu stem of 取る. Thus, 取っ is just a variation of 取り.

Similarly, other forms that are attached to this て are treated as 連用形, too.
e.g.
書く
書きて --> 書いて (i-euphonic change/イ音便)
Both 書き and 書い are 連用形.

飲む
飲みて --> 飲んで (nasal euphonic change/撥音便)
Both 飲み and 飲ん are 連用形. て also changes to で in this case.


Incidentally, the past form is also interpreted as "連用形 + auxiliary verb(助動詞) た(or だ)", not a single conjugation form, in 学校文法. This た is from a classical auxiliary verb たり/たる.
e.g.
言った: 連用形 言っ + た
引いた: 連用形 引い + た
飛んだ: 連用形 飛ん + だ
cf.
言います
引きます
飛びます

This is another example why 学校文法 is necessary to learn classical Japanese, as I wrote in another thread. On the other hand, the terms like "-te form" or "past form" are more useful for non-native learners of Japanese who usually only learn modern Japanese.

 

[JapaneseLily]

But a good teacher obviously...

どうもありがとうございます

 

[JapaneseLily]

Yes, that's true. This て is a particle (接続助詞). The main meaning of this て is "to do something, and then~", that's exactly why the -te form is used to connect clauses.

In 学校文法, which Japanese students learn in Japanese school, the form attached to this て is treated as a conjugation form of a verb(連用形). For example, for the -te form of 取る, 取っ is 連用形 even though it ends with the small "tsu".

In classical Japanese, the -te form of 取る is 取りて, and it changes to 取って because of the geminate consonant euphonic change (促音便). As you can see, 取り is the same as 連用形/the -masu stem of 取る. Thus, 取っ is just a variation of 取り.

Similarly, other forms that are attached to this て are treated as 連用形, too.
e.g.
書く
書きて --> 書いて (i-euphonic change/イ音便)
Both 書き and 書い are 連用形.

飲む
飲みて --> 飲んで (nasal euphonic change/撥音便)
Both 飲み and 飲ん are 連用形. て also changes to で in this case.


Incidentally, the past form is also interpreted as "連用形 + auxiliary verb(助動詞) た(or だ)", not a single conjugation form, in 学校文法. This た is from a classical auxiliary verb たり/たる.
e.g.
言った: 連用形 言っ + た
引いた: 連用形 引い + た
飛んだ: 連用形 飛ん + だ
cf.
言います
引きます
飛びます

This is another example why 学校文法 is necessary to learn classical Japanese, as I wrote in another thread. On the other hand, the terms like "-te form" or "past form" are more useful for non-native learners of Japanese who usually only learn modern Japanese.

すごい国語の先生みたいですね。習った事はあるけど、すっかり忘れちゃってましたよ。さっきも書いたように古文は得意じゃなかったです。読みながら違うところに飛ぶとか、戻るとか、いろいろなルールがあって、高校生時代、とてもめんどくさいなと思ってました漢文はとても読みにくいなと思ってました。

 

[JapaneseLily]

Yes, that's true. This て is a particle (接続助詞). The main meaning of this て is "to do something, and then~", that's exactly why the -te form is used to connect clauses.

In 学校文法, which Japanese students learn in Japanese school, the form attached to this て is treated as a conjugation form of a verb(連用形). For example, for the -te form of 取る, 取っ is 連用形 even though it ends with the small "tsu".

In classical Japanese, the -te form of 取る is 取りて, and it changes to 取って because of the geminate consonant euphonic change (促音便). As you can see, 取り is the same as 連用形/the -masu stem of 取る. Thus, 取っ is just a variation of 取り.

Similarly, other forms that are attached to this て are treated as 連用形, too.
e.g.
書く
書きて --> 書いて (i-euphonic change/イ音便)
Both 書き and 書い are 連用形.

飲む
飲みて --> 飲んで (nasal euphonic change/撥音便)
Both 飲み and 飲ん are 連用形. て also changes to で in this case.


Incidentally, the past form is also interpreted as "連用形 + auxiliary verb(助動詞) た(or だ)", not a single conjugation form, in 学校文法. This た is from a classical auxiliary verb たり/たる.
e.g.
言った: 連用形 言っ + た
引いた: 連用形 引い + た
飛んだ: 連用形 飛ん + だ
cf.
言います
引きます
飛びます

This is another example why 学校文法 is necessary to learn classical Japanese, as I wrote in another thread. On the other hand, the terms like "-te form" or "past form" are more useful for non-native learners of Japanese who usually only learn modern Japanese.

ここにこんなに完璧な説明を書いて下さって本当にどうもありがとうございます

 

[mdchachi]

because of the geminate consonant euphonic change

Yes, that was exactly what I was thinking was the reason.

But seriously thanks for the detailed and interesting explanation.