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The son of a Nagano city assembly chief was arrested Friday on suspicion of killing two police officers in a stabbing and shooting attack that left four people dead. Aoki Masanori, 31, owned a license for the hunting rifle he used to shoot two police officers. He killed two ladies using a survival knife with a 30-cm-long blade. The motive for the rampage is unknown. The last time two police officers were killed in the same incident was in 1990.


The suspect, wearing camouflage clothing, a hat, sunglasses and a mask, grabbed the woman by the arm before stabbing her in the back with a blade that appeared to be around 30 centimeters long. He stabbed her again in the chest while she lay facing upward, according to the eyewitness. "I killed her because I wanted to," the suspect was quoted as saying when the eyewitness asked why he had done such a thing. As the man left on foot, the 72-year-old local rushed to his home about 150 meters away, called the police and took the officers to a parking area where the stabbing took place. The attacker reemerged as the police car was parking and immediately fired into the driver's side. The witness ran away. He said he heard more gunshots but was too afraid to look back. The suspect then entered the house of the assembly speaker, the police said. The woman who was stabbed and later pronounced dead was identified as Yukie Murakami, 66, while another woman who had been found injured nearby and later confirmed dead was named as Yasuko Takeuchi, 70. The two officers were identified as Yoshiki Tamai, 46, and Takuo Ikeuchi, 61. Another woman was also found injured and confirmed dead later.






TV just reported that the perpetrator legally owned four rifles and air guns.
 
Coincidentally, there was another shooting yesterday, most likely 暴力団-related: a man was shot and injured inside a Dutour coffee shop at Machida Station.

Enough shootings for a week.

Well the good news is that it's not a gun problem. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Nevermind that guns are used to injure and kill people almost hourly here.
 
It's really sad to see all such recent events, including Abe's assassination, the attack on Kishida, and more knife and gun cases, including one near my home.

Never heard so many such things in all my years. All these are showing an emerging pattern of change.... changing for the worse.

Increasing frustration levels? More influence of the not-so-good aspects of the outside world?
 
It's really sad to see all such recent events, including Abe's assassination, the attack on Kishida, and more knife and gun cases, including one near my home. Never heard so many such things in all my years. All these are showing an emerging pattern of change.... changing for the worse. Increasing frustration levels? More influence of the not-so-good aspects of the outside world?


Surging frustration levels and more economic pinch (inflation), but much of it is homemade.

JT blames it on cataclysmic demographic changes:

 
I wonder if confidentiality with people in the medical field could be changed. Right now I could tell a shrink I had lots of weapons and really want to kill people and he can't say anything to warn about it. Many of the shootings in the US had warning signs ahead of the attack , but friends and family did not want to say anything for many reasons. I've been shooting since 1955 and probably owned well over 100 guns in my lifetime. There are some gun laws that I could live with rather than thinking you can somehow make all guns disappear. The die-hard gun owners would rather get into a shootout with anyone trying to take their guns and I can almost see a civil war if our government tries confiscation of all guns. Most gun owners here in the US own more than one gun and collectors and shooters often own many. I'm getting too old to go shooting now and am down to just 17 guns in my collection(for sale some day). If the government offered me a fair price , I'd sell , but many would not. I large part of America's gun culture dates back to the days of hunting to put food on the table. Now it seems many gun owners want guns because they distrust our government and think gun ownership will keep the government from turning communist. A bit of tinfoil hat stuff about the evils of our US government sure runs rampant on the internet and makes people think they will be safe with a gun. Maine is relatively safe and crime free , but I have been carrying a concealed handgun whenever I leave my house since 1974 when I was a police officer. It becomes a habit after a while that I don't even think about. I'm guessing I'll be long gone from this earth before the gun problems ever get solved. As an after thought , I never argue with anti-gun people , I'm set in my ways and doubt I'll ever change my way of thinking and won't try to change anyone's thoughts with negative views on guns.
 
I wonder if confidentiality with people in the medical field could be changed. Right now I could tell a shrink I had lots of weapons and really want to kill people and he can't say anything to warn about it. Many of the shootings in the US had warning signs ahead of the attack , but friends and family did not want to say anything for many reasons. I've been shooting since 1955 and probably owned well over 100 guns in my lifetime. There are some gun laws that I could live with rather than thinking you can somehow make all guns disappear. The die-hard gun owners would rather get into a shootout with anyone trying to take their guns and I can almost see a civil war if our government tries confiscation of all guns. Most gun owners here in the US own more than one gun and collectors and shooters often own many. I'm getting too old to go shooting now and am down to just 17 guns in my collection(for sale some day). If the government offered me a fair price , I'd sell , but many would not. I large part of America's gun culture dates back to the days of hunting to put food on the table. Now it seems many gun owners want guns because they distrust our government and think gun ownership will keep the government from turning communist. A bit of tinfoil hat stuff about the evils of our US government sure runs rampant on the internet and makes people think they will be safe with a gun. Maine is relatively safe and crime free , but I have been carrying a concealed handgun whenever I leave my house since 1974 when I was a police officer. It becomes a habit after a while that I don't even think about. I'm guessing I'll be long gone from this earth before the gun problems ever get solved. As an after thought , I never argue with anti-gun people , I'm set in my ways and doubt I'll ever change my way of thinking and won't try to change anyone's thoughts with negative views on guns.
Most states have a "duty to warn" permission or even requirement. But even if a patient says they have ideation about mass murder what can the professionals or police do about it? Right now gun laws are so strong they don't permit taking away guns until it's basically too late. You'd have to be taken to court or committed and judged to be mentally ill to even get the point where you're not technically allowed to own a gun. And even if that happened you could go to your local gun show or private party sale and easily buy a gun.
 
I get the feeling the underground market for guns is large and loose. Half the cops shot seem to be by criminals only out of jail a few days and they get a gun no problems. If only there was a way to prevent criminals and mentally ill from getting guns that were foolproof. Most of the laws against guns will only effect the honest gun owner and have no effect on keeping guns away from the wrong people. I follow police departments from all over the US and it's amazing how many gun stores are robbed and cleaned out of all the guns. They steal a big vehicle and crash it through the front of some gun store out in the boonies and clean it out and are gone by the time law enforcement get there. It seems in the big cities with high crime rates , you can get a gun easier than buying a soda. Here in Maine , it's popular now in a "private" gun sale , you go to a legal dealer and I sell the gun to them and they resell to the person I'm selling it to after a background check. A knowledgeable gun owner won't do a private sale without paperwork , even to a friend or family member. We know there's always a chance of a private sale coming back to bite you on the *** down the road. With millions upon millions of guns here in the US , it will be impossible to get rid of them until there's a major change in the gun culture here. I have my doubts that even if the 2nd Amendment were repealed , guns will still be a major problem. Mental illness seems to be an area we need to work on here in the US and also lax laws that release dangerous criminals back on the streets way to soon. It seems to be a common thread that a shooter wants to be famous with lots of publicity and they could care less about dying if they get their name in the news. When shootings come close together in time , it seems some are copycat events where they want to be famous like the person they see on the news. I do wish that when a person buys a gun that has no knowledge about them or the laws about using and storing them , they were forced to get good training . Even in Maine , the people who still hunt are fading away fast and local gun clubs and ranges see far less interest. Maybe in another 10 or 20 years , things might change for the better.
 
Now that I'm in my "gun" mode I want to take a minute to explain the attraction to the "AR" military type rifle that never seems to get mentioned anywhere.


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Most young people who served in the military got used to the AR type guns and as a civilian , when they went to buy a gun went with that style. With the older style hunting rifles , they were fairly heavy with the wooden stocks , AR are usually much lighter to lug in the woods. The old style wood could get scratched and even crack if not given a lot of care. The blue coating on the older style guns could get rusty real fast in wet weather and required constant attention. The coating was also easily scratched. Inside the barrels could wear out over a few years if you did a lot of shooting. Now , on to the new AR type. Most of the stock & fore end are some type of plastic , hard to damage and quick & easy to replace. The gun itself has a special coating and unlike the blue type , requires little attention for care & upkeep. The inside of the barrels are usually crome lined and made to last for thousands of rounds fired. Cost also can be an issue with an old fashioned brand named classy hunting rifle costing $2000US or more. With so many companies making the AR style , cost is usually below $500US. A good quality AR in .308/7.62 is uauall accurate out to 200 yards or more and will take down most animals hunted here in the US. I didn't give up my old type hunting rifle to about 5 years ago and now I'm sold on all the advantages of the AR type.

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One of the bad images of the military type guns is the deal with extended magazines that can carry 20 to 30 rounds to fire before you reload. If you go to a shooting range these days , an hour of shooting can run you up to $50US. Reloading a magazine is a time consuming pain. I use 10 round mags and loading that at home allows you to spend expensive range time shooting , not reloading. Most states like Maine only allow a 5 round magazine for hunting with big fines if caught with over 5 rounds. You don't often hear about non-gun related deaths. Drunk drivers and doctor/medical errors probably kill more people than guns , but since we can't seem to outlaw doctors or drunk drivers , guns become an easier target to go after. I've been pretty lucky ,never had one of my guns shoot anyone so far.
 
Now that I'm in my "gun" mode I want to take a minute to explain the attraction to the "AR" military type rifle that never seems to get mentioned anywhere.


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Most young people who served in the military got used to the AR type guns and as a civilian , when they went to buy a gun went with that style. With the older style hunting rifles , they were fairly heavy with the wooden stocks , AR are usually much lighter to lug in the woods. The old style wood could get scratched and even crack if not given a lot of care. The blue coating on the older style guns could get rusty real fast in wet weather and required constant attention. The coating was also easily scratched. Inside the barrels could wear out over a few years if you did a lot of shooting. Now , on to the new AR type. Most of the stock & fore end are some type of plastic , hard to damage and quick & easy to replace. The gun itself has a special coating and unlike the blue type , requires little attention for care & upkeep. The inside of the barrels are usually crome lined and made to last for thousands of rounds fired. Cost also can be an issue with an old fashioned brand named classy hunting rifle costing $2000US or more. With so many companies making the AR style , cost is usually below $500US. A good quality AR in .308/7.62 is usually accurate out to 200 yards or more and will take down most animals hunted here in the US. I didn't give up my old type hunting rifle to about 5 years ago and now I'm sold on all the advantages of the AR type.

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One of the bad images of the military type guns is the deal with extended magazines that can carry 20 to 30 rounds to fire before you reload. If you go to a shooting range these days , an hour of shooting can run you up to $50US. Reloading a magazine is a time consuming pain. I use 10 round mags and loading that at home allows you to spend expensive range time shooting , not reloading. Most states like Maine only allow a 5 round magazine for hunting with big fines if caught with over 5 rounds. You don't often hear about non-gun related deaths. Drunk drivers and doctor/medical errors probably kill more people than guns , but since we can't seem to outlaw doctors or drunk drivers , guns become an easier target to go after. I've been pretty lucky ,never had one of my guns shoot anyone so far.
Basically you're saying the inconvenience of reloading for people like you is more important than easier enabling of mass murder.
Our system is so dysfunctional, they still haven't banned bump stocks even though it's not even a gun so a ban wouldn't infringe on the 2nd Amendment.
The guy in Las Vegas shot over 1000 rounds in 10 minutes.

The difference with drunk driving is that the penalties for what used to be a minor offense when you were young has now gradually become very severe. The blood-alcohol limits are lower and the penalties very high. Due to this, and safer cars, drunk driving deaths are about half of their peak which was in the 1980s.
 
My main point is , you will never stop gun problems with laws that only effect the honest gun owner. Lets say you outlaw extended mags. Do you honestly believe that criminals or mentally ill will line up to turn them in. Sure , I can live without large capacity magazines , but the thousands of them now out there will stay out there in the wrong hands. Lets say you drive a Ford and only Ford cars were involved in DUI deaths so we outlaw Fords including yours. Will that solve the DUI problem , I don't think so. Punishing the honest gun owner while having basically no effect on the people that are dangerous seems a bit unfair to the good gun owners. Why should you or the government hassle me for what I own & shoot when it's the criminal element or mentally ill causing the problem. Maybe we need to make everyone to walk or ride a bike to stop DUI's? Think of all the millions of people in the US that never encounter a gun problem and the media won't mention that. The media has brain washed people believing they or their child might be killed at any moment because they control the sheeple with fear. If you can come up with a law that will actually work on disarming those who shouldn't have a gun , I'll be the first to vote for it. If you could somehow make every gun disappear overnight , knives would become the instrument of death. The world is filled with evil that will never be done away with. My first question is , who's going to knock on my door and demand I turn over my items. Almost all law enforcement says they will not take away a lawful gun owner's weapons that are now protected by the Constitution. America has been a culture of guns since it's founding. History has many bad lessons of what happens when guns are only in the hands of those in power. The reason gun owners fight so hard against "red flag" orders is because we live in a society where you are innocent until proven guilty , not guilty until you somehow prove you're not. I agree strongly that we have a violence and gun problem here in the US , I just want to make sure criminals & mentally ill have all their weapons confiscated before we talk about taking the honest guys guns away. I also believe that there is some truth in the fact America has never had a war enemy fighting in our country because the enemy knows in the US "there is a gun behind every blade of grass". Let's say America decides to do a nationwide buyback program. They could run the printing presses 24/7 and never come up with the trillions of dollars needed for a fair buy back. A fair price for my collection alone would be about $25,000. There are millions of guns here in the US. The barn door has been left open for years and all the guns have escaped so to speak. The justice system we have now in the US lets the criminal who misused a gun plea deal and get back out on the streets in no time. Unless you can make evil/criminal/mentally ill people fear punishment for doing wrong and have no financial gain from it we will always have a problem. A large part of gun ownership is for self protection in today's world. If I lived in a high crime area where it will take police a long time to respond , I would rather have a gun then a baseball bat. Again , I just wish people who buy & own a gun would get training on safe usage and storage. If you can come up with a law 100% guaranteed to solve the problem without screwing me and actually really making a difference , let me know.
 
My main point is , you will never stop gun problems with laws that only effect the honest gun owner. Lets say you outlaw extended mags. Do you honestly believe that criminals or mentally ill will line up to turn them in. Sure , I can live without large capacity magazines , but the thousands of them now out there will stay out there in the wrong hands. Lets say you drive a Ford and only Ford cars were involved in DUI deaths so we outlaw Fords including yours. Will that solve the DUI problem , I don't think so. Punishing the honest gun owner while having basically no effect on the people that are dangerous seems a bit unfair to the good gun owners. Why should you or the government hassle me for what I own & shoot when it's the criminal element or mentally ill causing the problem. Maybe we need to make everyone to walk or ride a bike to stop DUI's? Think of all the millions of people in the US that never encounter a gun problem and the media won't mention that. The media has brain washed people believing they or their child might be killed at any moment because they control the sheeple with fear. If you can come up with a law that will actually work on disarming those who shouldn't have a gun , I'll be the first to vote for it. If you could somehow make every gun disappear overnight , knives would become the instrument of death. The world is filled with evil that will never be done away with. My first question is , who's going to knock on my door and demand I turn over my items. Almost all law enforcement says they will not take away a lawful gun owner's weapons that are now protected by the Constitution. America has been a culture of guns since it's founding. History has many bad lessons of what happens when guns are only in the hands of those in power. The reason gun owners fight so hard against "red flag" orders is because we live in a society where you are innocent until proven guilty , not guilty until you somehow prove you're not. I agree strongly that we have a violence and gun problem here in the US , I just want to make sure criminals & mentally ill have all their weapons confiscated before we talk about taking the honest guys guns away. I also believe that there is some truth in the fact America has never had a war enemy fighting in our country because the enemy knows in the US "there is a gun behind every blade of grass". Let's say America decides to do a nationwide buyback program. They could run the printing presses 24/7 and never come up with the trillions of dollars needed for a fair buy back. A fair price for my collection alone would be about $25,000. There are millions of guns here in the US. The barn door has been left open for years and all the guns have escaped so to speak. The justice system we have now in the US lets the criminal who misused a gun plea deal and get back out on the streets in no time. Unless you can make evil/criminal/mentally ill people fear punishment for doing wrong and have no financial gain from it we will always have a problem. A large part of gun ownership is for self protection in today's world. If I lived in a high crime area where it will take police a long time to respond , I would rather have a gun then a baseball bat. Again , I just wish people who buy & own a gun would get training on safe usage and storage. If you can come up with a law 100% guaranteed to solve the problem without screwing me and actually really making a difference , let me know.
I don't have time or desire to spend on this so I outsourced my response to Bing AI. ;)
  • The argument is based on a false analogy between guns and cars. Cars are not designed to kill people, while guns are. The purpose of regulating cars is to ensure safety and efficiency, not to prevent intentional harm. The purpose of regulating guns is to reduce the risk of violence and death by firearms, which are the leading cause of homicide and suicide in the United States1.
  • The argument assumes that gun control laws only affect honest gun owners, while criminals and mentally ill people will ignore them. This is a fallacy of composition, which assumes that what is true for some parts of a group is true for the whole group. In reality, gun control laws can have an impact on reducing the availability and accessibility of firearms for potential offenders, as well as deterring or preventing some crimes from occurring. For example, a study found that implementing federal universal background checks could reduce firearm deaths by a projected 56.9%; background checks for ammunition purchases could reduce deaths by a projected 80.7%; and gun identification requirements could reduce deaths by a projected 82.5%2.
  • The argument ignores the evidence that more guns lead to more violence, not less. A study published in the American Journal of Public Health found that "legal purchase of a handgun appears to be associated with a long-lasting increased risk of violent death"3. Another study found that states with higher levels of gun ownership have higher rates of firearm homicide, suicide, and unintentional deaths4. A meta-analysis of 130 studies from 10 countries found that firearm availability was positively associated with firearm homicide and suicide5.
  • The argument appeals to fear and patriotism, rather than reason and facts. It suggests that gun control laws will lead to government tyranny, foreign invasion, or civil war, without providing any evidence or logic to support these claims. It also implies that gun ownership is an essential part of American culture and history, while ignoring the diversity and complexity of American society and its changing needs and challenges. It also overlooks the fact that the Second Amendment is not an unlimited right to own guns, but a conditional one that can be regulated by the government for public safety.
  • The argument presents a false dilemma between doing nothing or taking away all guns from citizens. It does not acknowledge the possibility of finding a middle ground or a compromise between different interests and perspectives on gun policy. It also does not consider the benefits and costs of different types of gun control measures, such as banning certain types of weapons or magazines, requiring safe storage or training, or enforcing existing laws more effectively. It also does not address the ethical and moral issues involved in balancing individual rights and collective responsibilities.
 
Surging frustration levels and more economic pinch (inflation), but much of it is homemade.

JT blames it on cataclysmic demographic changes:

Media is many times shallow. The journalists are in a hurry to write because, more than anything, they do it for daily bread ... some may for plain bread, some may for bread with butter, and some may for a full-course dinner. However, most of the time, it boils down to the bread.

A deeper analysis is generally missing because of the above reasons.

Japan has been having low inflation for years, and actually, that continues. Yes, the consumption tax rose, and some things (or all) got more expensive. But blaming the prices (inflation) for this sudden change is something shallow. The reasons may be much deeper.

To me, it seems like a small volcano erupting. I see it with taxi drivers, in the trains, and many such things - but I am not an expert (or don't have time to think much), but the reasons may lie deeper than the surface of the ground these reporters might be scratching.
 
Media is many times shallow. The journalists are in a hurry to write because, more than anything, they do it for daily bread ... some may for plain bread, some may for bread with butter, and some may for a full-course dinner. However, most of the time, it boils down to the bread.
And sometimes it contains no sustenance at all. :)
 
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