Hey, epigene...thanks for looking it up! And the ria-car,too!epigene said:Hi, lexico,
Can you read Japanese? If so, you can read this:
http://www.bridgestone.co.jp/hgt/hajimari/hajimari3.html
There is mention of the ria-car also in the previous page.
Just for your information.PS: Oops.. looks like you already have an idea...
ヒ彗ツ静イ窶牌ツ鞘?「 (Izumi, "main point," help/associate). I'm pretty sure that's simply a name.I suspect this machine translation is garbled, especially in the proper nouns. The text you found appears to say that a person called "Main point help" invented the rickshaw right after the restoration. I wonder if "Mainpoint help" is not the official title of the person, not the name. But I can't be sure. Do you recognize the Japanese or Kanji of "Main point help"? And also, what is the year of the restoration? Does it have a place?
Oh, I've ridden those in the Philippines! I think they still have those there, as well as other countries in Southeast Asia... If I remember correctly, they were called "tricycles." (Natsukashii!!)mikecash said:Let's pause a moment to reflect on the rickshaw's all-but-forgotten progeny: the rintaku.
Hiroshi66 said:Is the Rintaku the Riaka? How confusing!! The three r's - Riaka, Rickshaw, Rintaku..
This strangely reminds me of the invention of a "chair with wheels" by Erich von Burenheimer, Germany, in 1672 for his mother who had crowfeet. Although that was supposed to be the wheelchair, there might be a connection.bossel said:Missionary, maybe?
The story that a European missionary (J. Gable) has invented the rickshaw because he was unhappy with being carried around in a palanquin seems to have the biggest validity. But there are other stories around. One old colonial dictionary put the origin to somewhere in the Malay Peninsula.
I owe you big for this one...wow, translation of the full text...thanks so much!epigene said:This is a translation of the Bridgestone Tire article on the rickshaw (jinrikisha in Japanese):
Japan's Original Jinrikisha (Rickshaw)
Yousuke Izumi of Chikuzen (present-day Saga) was one of many Japanese who was surprised by the horse-driven carriage of Westerners. Yosuke arrived in Edo (Tokyo) in his tour of duty as escort of his lord and was strongly impressed by the swiftness of the Western carriage. He thought of what would it be like if the carriage was pulled by a man instead of a horse. This resulted in the invention of the "jinrikisha." Born in a samurai family, Yousuke began the rickshaw business, employing former samurais who have become jobless after the Meiji Restoration, and his business became a big success. He was inventor, business entrepreneur and a major contributor to society in this way.
French journalist Emile Gime (phonetic spelling) describes his impression of riding Japan's unique jinrikisha: "I felt a bit guilty of riding a jinrikisha, because it was being pulled by someone who is the same as me (human). When you get used to it, however, it is the most comfortable ride there is."
According to this and other sources it would appear to be so, with Japanese sources such as Bridgestone disproportionally emphasizing his contribution relative to the Europeans.lexico said:I wonder if that's the same person as Izumi Yoosuke, 1869, as some sources say.
Your insight seems to be backed by the following;Hiroshi66 said:I did quite a bit of research and thinking on this. I have to say that this came from the Europeans, thus the first choice. When we first see the rickshaw - who uses it? None other than the native elite or the European residents, diplomats, or tourists.
Great photos, Mike! Let's drink to that!mikecash said:Let's pause a moment to reflect on the rickshaw's all-but-forgotten progeny: the rintaku.
講談人力車の岡崎屋惣次郎・おかざきやそうじろう・軽井沢リンタク
What a great find! A very vivid picture of the times!Elizabeth said:According to this and other sources it would appear to be so, with Japanese sources such as Bridgestone disproportionally emphasizing his contribution relative to the Europeans.And the Restoration was 1868, by the way.
http://www.mmjp.or.jp/the-east/jinrikisha1-e.html
I'd like to learn more about the EN-taxi, Mike, unless...you were...of course! Cheers, anyway!mikecash said:There's also the "entaku"
Hiroshi66 said:Arigatou, lexico-san!
I think that the Japanese argument is all convincing - perhaps there was a modified rickshaw built in France prior to the 1600s and the rickshaw we know today was built in Japan perhaps?
You were there, Hiroshi, what a surprise!Hiroshi66 said:Thanks Leixo-san.
I think that the actual rickshaw was developed in Asia but the riaka was probably used in France or other nations in Asia. Someone may have come up with the idea of transporting people on the riaka rather than items.. which resulted in the invention of the rickshaw.
Thanks! I wasn't sure whether you were talking about the "round table!" I even suspected it a riddle!! Apologies!!mikecash said:The "entaku" was, if I understand it correctly, a regular motorized taxi similar to the ones we have now. It was called "entaku" because the fare was one yen, no matter where you went in the taxi's service area.
I almost forgot riding one myself in San Francisco. It felt good to drive around with my family in the back!epigene said:Oh, I've ridden those in the Philippines! I think they still have those there, as well as other countries in Southeast Asia... If I remember correctly, they were called "tricycles." (Natsukashii!!)
Your article on the RINTAKU~ENTAKU made me look up this Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos, where the RINTAKU is also called pedicabs, trishaws, pedal rickshaws, samlors, the becak, beca, and the cyclo. It also says that the "RINTAKU" displaced the hand-pulled rickshaws during 1930s and 1950s which fits quite nicely into what you described in your article. Thanks for giving the big picture, Mike. And I would have to agree with you on the importance of the role of the RIN-TAKU in that period!mikecash said:I believe the entaku were most common right after the war. Remember, one yen was quite a bit of money back then. Also, I suspect that the reason for the entaku might have been because of the difficulty/expense of getting taxi meters in following the war. That's just my guess, though.
Immediately after the war was also the heyday of the rintaku. Notice that at one time there were about 4,000 of them in Tokyo. Compare that with the approximately 6,000 taxis which are in Tokyo now. Also consider that the population was much lower then than it is now.
Some other factors which help put them in perspective:
1. Public transit (bus, subway, etc) was far less developed then.
2. The roadways were less developed. And were in a horrible condition due to the war anyway.
3. Private ownership of automobiles was far, far less then.
Combine all this, and we can see what a large role the rintaku must have played in daily life in Tokyo. When there is a social need and an economic opportunity, something will always appear to fill the niche. And there must have been quite a need and quite an opportunity, otherwise there wouldn't have been 4000 pedal pumpers trying to fill the niche.