One of my friends told me about this...

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From keishicho.com:

"Japanese police arrest whoever they like and whenever they like for whatever reason they want.

Japanese Police:

* Can punish any citizen with 20-23 days incarceration - no questions asked.

* Search people and private property at will without warrants. They do it all the time even if there is a law against it.

* Routinely break other laws at will with little or no recourse to the victims.

* Extort money from accused people as a condition for their release form 20-23 days incarceration (playing the role of judge and jury).

* Have extensive relations and dealings with the Japanese mafia.

* Covering up brutality, beatings, shootings and generally any other problems is the norm in Japan and not the exception.

* Rely so extensively on forced confessions during the 20-23 days of incarceration that that their actual police skills are poor.

* Have a bad habit of ignoring the majority of basic complaints people bring to them, which in turn has resulted in a large number victims whose attackers keep coming after them. "If there's no blood on the floor or no broken bones then we don't want to mess with it" is the de facto motto of Japanese police. It makes for good business for the mafia since they they end up getting a lot of business the Japanese police will not take care of.

* Hurt someone in a traffic "accident"? You're going to jail and the "police" (not a judge) will let you out after you have paid off the victim as much money as the victim is requesting. Don't pay, then you go to trial where the judge will do the same thing and put you in jail. The "result" (victim injured) is the only thing that matters in Japan. Little kid (or big adult) darts in front of your car on a busy road with no way to stop... you're going to jail. That's Japanese justice.

* The police together with the prosecutor, enjoy a 98% conviction rate for anyone sent to trial.

20-23 days at will incarcerations + 98% + conviction rate = a pathetic justice system."


Anyone else have any stances on this. Not sure if its true or just propaganda.
 
well what i find disturbing is

that the death penealty can be handed out by MAGISTRATES!

also someone on death row does not know when they are going to die....
 
well what i find disturbing is

that the death penealty can be handed out by MAGISTRATES!

also someone on death row does not know when they are going to die....

Man, that is really scary...so is this real? or is it just someone trying to scare off people?
 
whoops double post....

yea it's true...

but as for the 20-23 day's thing thats nothing.....

here in the uk its now 42 day's under terrorism legislation
(and thats without proof, without needing to press charges but does not get used on normal people)
 
whoops double post....
yea it's true...
but as for the 20-23 day's thing thats nothing.....
here in the uk its now 42 day's under terrorism legislation
(and thats without proof, without needing to press charges but does not get used on normal people)

Holy crap...those laws are massively messed up.

I need to see what kind of crazy laws like that the US has...or maybe i shouldnt hahah
 
Holy crap...those laws are massively messed up.
I need to see what kind of crazy laws like that the US has...or maybe i shouldnt hahah
Everything is real .Japan is the worst country..
that is why please tell your friend " Dont go to Japan"
 
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Don't worry Kyle、there's not nearly as much truth in the overall layout of information there. I don't know anything about the reported source, but it would be good to perhaps check that out.

Please keep in mind here, that this thread will be to discuss the truthfulness of that claims that the source cited has made, and that these aspects are about the situation in Japan. Therefore all talk of other stuff unrelated to that matter will fall under off-topic.
 
there you go i'll save you the mouse clicks...

tho i WOULD like to point out that there is a difference between MODERATING

and STIFFELING the flow of conversation
 
^ I'm all for keeping things on topic, as I find it critical to the conversation and getting to the heart of the matter, but chill MarsMan. You're going way too far on most of your actions recently and along with other users I'm also seeing a problem with it.

As for the validity of these claims, I believe some are true.

I took a law class in Japan and certain parts of what you posted were mentioned. The conviction rate was one. A friend of mine had a run in with the police that led me to strongly believe to avoid the Japanese police and not ever trust them when they tried to convict a friend of his for a bicycle he "stole." Long story short (that is better told by another member of this forum) he didn't steal it and they were trying to get him to confess to a crime he didn't commit in any way what-so-ever. Luckily, he was released shortly after.

I've also heard of the holding laws, but then again I believe the United States can be just as bad now if you are labeled a terrorist or whatever. Legal issues need to be carefully watched.

Go by this rule when in any country... don't trust police. Sorry, but those with power to do wrong and unjust things and get away with it sometimes do. There are plenty of good ones, but there ARE bad ones and they can do a lot of damage. Even those who are over zealous about their job to the point where they go TOO far in enforcement without consideration to the effects and damage that results. Sounds familiar doesn't it. *hint*

In regards to what you hear and such, I think posting here to find out what was accurate was a very good idea. Don't believe everything, and nothing is the case all the time, but do be cautious. If the police do go after you in Japan for something cooperate, but at the same time be on guard and don't say anything and NEVER EVER SIGN A SINGLE THING OR AGREE TO SOMETHING. Most of the time with a good cop though, if you cooperate and show an effort to remedy any situation I would figure you are probably be just fine. Remember, that that is most of the time. There are the exceptions in any country.
 
yes would HAVE to agree with Emoni there....

also think banning my account..could be described as a little OTT nest paux?
(and then joining in on an anti Alphaduck post on the serios discussions board while you KNEW i was banned......that's just not cricket old chap....no honour in that kind of move)

the 42 day law in the uk is now being tested in the House of lords (upper house)
where there IS some opposition.... so who knows perhaps it wont get passed.

i have heard (regarding the japanese police)
that they are VERY polite to white outlanders....as long as they are from europe or US...
but very harsh on any other race that are not japanese...especially russians

that was told to me by someone who had first hand experience...
apparently...he was cycling along...minding his own buisness...
when the police started harrasing him.... griping him up...shouting....generally manhandeling....

because he was near a russian area...

however he then used one of the british tourists best anti police weapon
because until now he had kept his mouth shut
"I say chap's, what's the meaning of all this then?..seems highly irregular if you ask me."
at which point they immidietly stopped...
said sorry....
bowed profusely and left....bowing.. (the impression he does of this is quite funny)

yes one of the best things you can do when confronted by hostile police abroad...
talk like your the landed gentry and own half of Anglia...works everytime :P

Peace and goodwill
 
The police do have a frightening amount of power. And little of it is checked.
 
I see you're concerned about the Martian land cannons as well. I hear they can launch a shell from Luna to to Earth in under 20 seconds.
 
I see you're concerned about the Martian land cannons as well. I hear they can launch a shell from Luna to to Earth in under 20 seconds.


well i was... but then this really kind lady with lots of shopping bags showed me how i can protect myself by wearing a hat made of tin foil....

stops the NBA and FIFA reading your mind aswell :P
 
From keishicho.com:

"Japanese police arrest whoever they like and whenever they like for whatever reason they want.
Japanese Police:
* Can punish any citizen with 20-23 days incarceration - no questions asked.
* Search people and private property at will without warrants. They do it all the time even if there is a law against it.
* Routinely break other laws at will with little or no recourse to the victims.
* Extort money from accused people as a condition for their release form 20-23 days incarceration (playing the role of judge and jury).
* Have extensive relations and dealings with the Japanese mafia.
* Covering up brutality, beatings, shootings and generally any other problems is the norm in Japan and not the exception.
* Rely so extensively on forced confessions during the 20-23 days of incarceration that that their actual police skills are poor.
* Have a bad habit of ignoring the majority of basic complaints people bring to them, which in turn has resulted in a large number victims whose attackers keep coming after them. "If there's no blood on the floor or no broken bones then we don't want to mess with it" is the de facto motto of Japanese police. It makes for good business for the mafia since they they end up getting a lot of business the Japanese police will not take care of.
* Hurt someone in a traffic "accident"? You're going to jail and the "police" (not a judge) will let you out after you have paid off the victim as much money as the victim is requesting. Don't pay, then you go to trial where the judge will do the same thing and put you in jail. The "result" (victim injured) is the only thing that matters in Japan. Little kid (or big adult) darts in front of your car on a busy road with no way to stop... you're going to jail. That's Japanese justice.
* The police together with the prosecutor, enjoy a 98% conviction rate for anyone sent to trial.
20-23 days at will incarcerations + 98% + conviction rate = a pathetic justice system."

Anyone else have any stances on this. Not sure if its true or just propaganda.
Here , you left a few out.
*They killed the tooth fairy.
*A Japanese Police man was the shooter on the grassy knoll
*They arrest you for looking right first instead of left when crossing the road.
*Every foriegn person will be held unconditionally at customs for a minimum of 20-23 days.
*In this time the police have the right to spend your money and take your omiyage's to their homes and friends. They will never be returned.
*And the last but not the least, police have the right to push in front of you in a supermarket line, take your wallet and pay for their groceries with your visa card, then they have the right to use deadly force if you refuse to sign the slip.
 
Here , you left a few out.
*They killed the tooth fairy.
*A Japanese Police man was the shooter on the grassy knoll
*They arrest you for looking right first instead of left when crossing the road.
*Every foriegn person will be held unconditionally at customs for a minimum of 20-23 days.
*In this time the police have the right to spend your money and take your omiyage's to their homes and friends. They will never be returned.
*And the last but not the least, police have the right to push in front of you in a supermarket line, take your wallet and pay for their groceries with your visa card, then they have the right to use deadly force if you refuse to sign the slip.

He posted legit questions though. Each of the original listings are things I have tended to hear before, and I can understand why he'd want to check to make sure of the situation. As I stated in my post above... some of them are very real.
 
I'm probably the only person on the board who could answer any of this in any sort of informed and rational fashion, and I have to say the general flow of the thread doesn't encourage me to make the effort.

Suffice it to say that the original post contained 10% truth and 90% uninformed gaijin sensationalist hyperbole.
 
I'm probably the only person on the board who could answer any of this in any sort of informed and rational fashion, and I have to say the general flow of the thread doesn't encourage me to make the effort.

Suffice it to say that the original post contained 10% truth and 90% uninformed gaijin sensationalist hyperbole.
And I thought I said the exact same thing?
 
Hokkaido Police at Chitose Airport only stop non-Asian passengers for G8 Summit anti-terrorist ID Checks, ask me for ID three times. Voice recording as proof (UPDATED)
Hokkaido Police at Chitose Airport only stop non-Asian passengers for G8 Summit anti-terrorist ID Checks, ask me for ID three times. Voice recording as proof (UPDATED) | debito.org

I am not a supporter of Debito, but the mp3 file would be the great answer for you, Kyle. And if you study Japanese, it is also a good study material for you to know how to speak Japanese humbly like the cop.
 
Mike, if you want to explain what you were going to say, I for one would be more than willing to read it with the explanations you provide. The more information the better.

If you want to say something, please do. I believe the original poster actually asked directly about the validity in the first place.
 
I've covered this stuff in lots of other posts over the years. A search would go a long way toward helping me stave off the onset of carpal tunnel syndrome.
 
I took a law class in Japan and certain parts of what you posted were mentioned. The conviction rate was one. A friend of mine had a run in with the police that led me to strongly believe to avoid the Japanese police and not ever trust them when they tried to convict a friend of his for a bicycle he "stole." Long story short (that is better told by another member of this forum) he didn't steal it and they were trying to get him to confess to a crime he didn't commit in any way what-so-ever. Luckily, he was released shortly after.
I wonder if any other police department in the world tries to pressure a suspect to confess? And don't you find it very convient that it was only "luck" that prevailed in your friends situation?
 
I wonder if any other police department in the world tries to pressure a suspect to confess? And don't you find it very convient that it was only "luck" that prevailed in your friends situation?

yea in brittain we have system that is very much based on confennsions...
like any other country really....

there is a BIG difference tho....
in the UK the police can tell you whatever they want to get you to confess!
e.g.
well we found your prints/DNA at the scene
your mate Baz said it was you
we have CCTV that shows you were there ect.

the idea is that you then confess so that it looks better in court....but they didn't have any evidence anyway!

lots of people get caught in that one!
 
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