KirinMan said:Dude do you think I just fell out of a tree? Nice try I'll give you a few points for style.
KirinMan said:Next, room for improvement? By whose standards? By whose laws?
KirinMan said:I'll take these minor inconveniences vs a further rise in crime anyday.
KirinMan said:Yeah I do think they are overly sensitive, it shows in their misunderstanding of the culture and the methods of the police here.
KirinMan said:I have found through experience that people create their own situations and the key is dont put yourself into situations where you could get into trouble.
KirinMan said:Hell if someone is so butt ugly hurt about the issue they have another option too......leave.
Life isn't that easy. People have jobs they can't leave. Mortgages they have to pay off. Families to support. Children to feed. Maybe you can just stand up and walk away, but some people can't
I was speaking in generalities, I guess I underestimated you being able to follow that. Sorry my bad!They were trolling remarks. Do you have anything of substance to add on the unnamed people who just want to find somebody guilty of something? Back the comments up or don't bring them up at all.
Sorry I am not a "google-commando". I will reply to Chidoriashi later, then you can get your answer as well.As Chidoriashi mentioned, do you have any statistical information to back up the connection between random police questioning and a decrease in crime / increase in safety?
People who ***** about the police for anything they do that makes them stick out, or feel like they are being selected because they are a foreigner.Who is "they"? What sort of misunderstanding?
Really? Go back and read the parts about Dave. The discussion has taken many turns.We aren't talking about people who "put themselves in situations". Why do you keep pulling out straw men?
Never said I could or couldnt, but thanks for making a point here, if they are in a situation where they can not leave then they had better learn to work within the system to figure out ways to improve their situation.Life isn't that easy. People have jobs they can't leave. Mortgages they have to pay off. Families to support. Children to feed. Maybe you can just stand up and walk away, but some people can't.
at least, ppl should know about that before...
it sonuds a poor excuse..
if you choose it, dont cry..
if you cry, leave... I think it is very simple
I don't know how rational it is that someone, Japanese or not, has been watching the cop for quite some time at the airport on the special occasion.
orochi finds the cop unreasonable, though.
orochi, please answer my simple question who you think is more reasonable in the Debito situation, the cop or Debito.
Phrase your question in a way that I can answer.
Reasonable about what?
ARUDOU: Uh, sorry, but I have been watching you for quite some time, and you haven't confirmed anyone's identity with anyone at all thus far.
有道:えーと、すみませんが、ずっと見ていたんですけれども、一 人も、今までは確認しなかったですね。
As to whether or not the stop was warranted, I would say no. And that's based on the content of the audio recording. From what the cop said, Debito was stopped "because he looked foreign".
KirinMan> This is a little bit off the topic. But I don't believe that Japan being a safe-low crime country has even half to do with the police doing their job. Crime any country is much more complicated than a matter of the police just doing their job. Do they contribute? Of course... but giving them all the credit for Japan's safety I think is a vast overstatement.
I give more credit to the low crime rate here to the citizens and their sense of community than just to the police, although they also play a part in the over all equation in my opinion.
It also in part stems from the fact that my father in law is a retired detective of the Japanese police, and that a number of very close friends and aquaintances are active police, dectectives, and guards in a Japanese prison.Thank you for your personal anecdote. Let us know when it relates to the discussion.
That's what Debito said. We don't know how long it was, either. And the cop never said once that Debito was engaging in suspicious activity.
Dare I say strawman?
Did you just finish reading Chrysanthemum and the Sword?
Pipokun said:He is a fluent speaker of Japanese, but I cannot say his level is so perfect that ordinary cops or people will tell if he is a tourist, permanent resident or Japanese.
Pipokun said:If you are a tourist/permanet resident, your ID should be shown to the police as required.
Pipokun said:If you are a Japanese, esp., those who are against any forms of terrors, you don't lose much even you show your ID in the special occasion.
No I can not say I have. However thanks for the suggestion, I will be ordering it from Amazon shortly.....might learn something too!
There is no legal basis for defining nationality based on language ability.
What about 帰国子女, people who are 100% Japanese but raised overseas and may lack in language ability? Would you put them up against the same discrimination? By the way, this point is a strawman as well, and completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
But how does the officer determine whether or not the person in question is a tourist or permanent resident? Based on skin color? That is frightening--and illegal.
You lose your privacy. You lose your rights as promised by the law.
I see you're apathetic and simply "don't care". And that's fine. You're afforded that right by the same laws you disagree with above. But calm down when other people stand up for their rights.
Pipokun said:It is just a requirement to carry your IDs if you are not Japanese.
Pipokun said:And this is nothing special in other countries.
Pipokun said:she was not the one, but I posted somewhere here that a poor girl had to staye in police for a night without telling a word. I don't know her political orientation, but she should have said something.
And why is that?...................No, you might want to stay away.