これが、Nice Gaijin さんが探しててくれたスレトでしょう。Fuumei;378391 said:I've been reading this type of phrase for it seems like forever, but never questioned it. I thought it was time I try to get down to its grammatical roots.
人気のあるスポーツ = This is the sentence I normally see. What if it were "人気あるスポーツ"? 人気 is a noun, so the "の" can't be the placeholder for "koto" which I normally see it as. Is it grammatically incorrect to just say "人気あるスポーツ"?
Elizabeth;378460 said:"の" can't be the placeholder for "koto" これはどういう意味?例文を書いてくださいね。
Why can't it be simply 人気のスポース like you would if you were saying 人気のチーズ、 人気のアニメ、人気の料理。。。☝umbaba;378904 said:hi there guys! I am new here but I think I can help you out there a bit.
So let have a go.
人気あるスポーツ perfectly works in daily/informal conversation, like....
最近人気あるスポーツって何?
サッカーって人気あるスポーツだよね。
It is also well accepted in writing, your Japanese exam wouldn't say ok though, lol
As a native Japanese speaker, having said that, I personally put either の or が between 人気 and スポーツ(and any other 名詞) as they sound way way way natural for people from every generation.
ありがとうございます。なんとなくわかりました。umbaba;378914 said:hum I may say 人気のsomething, too.
Ok, I am telling that is surely 人気がある when I use 人気あるスポーツ
so I guess you need to say ある intentionally here,
where as 人気のスポーツ just focus on スポーツ itself, it doesn't imply how popular it is. That's only one of the 人気のあるsomething.
does it make sense? I am not sure my English works correctly.
umbaba;378914 said:hum I may say 人気のsomething, too.
Ok, I am telling that is surely 人気がある when I use 人気あるスポーツ
so I guess you need to say ある intentionally here,
where as 人気のスポーツ just focus on スポーツ itself, it doesn't imply how popular it is. That's only one of the 人気のあるsomething.
does it make sense?
私もそう言われたのです。でも、それぞれの会話の状況によるので、Fuumei;378695 said:When I see things such as, "スポーツをはじめたのは..." or "亀を乗ったのは朝起きてからです"
In my mind, I see it similar to "koto", but the difference is something I don't remember hearing about specifically, other than it being something that "affects you" and is "more personal". At least that is how a friend of mine once explained it to me.
Elizabeth;379345 said:私もそう言われたのです。でも、それぞれの会話の状況によるので、
どちらを使っても間違いないのですが、ちょっと違う感じがある場合もありますね。
たとえば、「何をすることが好きですか」も文法的には正しいですが、それはちょっと硬い表現かな?
一言では違いを言えないでしょう。。。☝
誰かがちゃんと書かれてあるか見てかれませんか?
はっきりとした違いを説明するのは難しいですからね。
私は書くことを十分考えなかったかもしれません。。。
スポーツをはじめたのは -->多分、これは、「の」しか使えません。
亀を乗ったのは朝起きてからです" ーー>「亀に乗った」の書き間違いでしょね。または、
「亀を乗せた」 ?
umbaba;379477 said:Since it seems confusing 「の」and 「こと」, may I keep going? Sorry if you have already heard about this.
These are the sentences you can NOT replace の with こと.
They all are telling who/what, when, where and why.
I may be wrong, but this is what I realised so far.
Hope this will help you in a way.
I've been away from here a lot lately but will try to get to it over the weekend, probably tomorrow.what happened to everyone?
I think a sentence which starts with "どこに" is interrogative one.Mirai Naza-kun;380222 said:I would like for a phrase to be translated.
Phrase(English): "Anywhere that light exists, shadow must also exist."
In the meantime, I'll be trying it myself.
EDIT: I think I got this right: どこに光が有れば、陰が有る。
chickie;380522 said:Hiya Mirai Naza-kun!
I think a sentence which starts with "どこに" is interrogative one.
So, how about "光のあるところには、陰もある。"?
Or, "陰を生まない光はない"(It's not a literal translation, though)?