Need a word or phrase translated?

Glenn · 26 Jun 2006

It's just わかる.

"Who will understand me?" -> 誰に私が分かるかな (well, it depends on what you mean by that)

Elizabeth · 26 Jun 2006

Glenn said:
It's just わかる.

"Who will understand me?" -> 誰に私が分かるかな (well, it depends on what you mean by that)

I think 理解 is perhaps better for this type nuance, if you mean have a fuller and deeper awareness or appreciation of a person or thing than わかる。

私のことを理解している人がいるかな？Is there anyone (a person) that understands me ? Who will understand me ?

would be my best attempt. But I didn't get much rest last night so please overlook what is wildly off base or totally nonunderstandable.

一体誰が私のことを理解してくれているかな？

[EDIT]Did you mean "understand" as in language, if you were speaking Japanese ? It sorta sounds like it in the future tense....

Elizabeth · 27 Jun 2006

undrentide said:
You can use おかげ in a negative way (in sense of meaning, sarcasm):
The example you mentioned
Example: I failed the test, thanks to you !
can be translated to
きみのおかげで試験に失敗したよ。
Normally we use ～のせいで instead of ～のおかげで when one get negative result (in the above example, きみのせいで試験に失敗した） but when using ～のおかげで the sentence is with heavy sarcasm.
Example: I passed the test, no thanks to you !
I cannot think of negative expression of おかげ, what might be close is
試験に合格したけれど、別にきみのおかげじゃない。
I passed the test, but not that with your help/nothing to do with you/it's nothing I should thank you for...etc.

「せい」と「おかげさまで」のほかの違いですが、せいの場合、修飾語は必要がありますが、
おかげさまでの場合、修飾語は必要じゃないとおもいますね。

さあ、なんとなく意味はわかりますが変な日本語ですか。ごめんなさい。
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Fuumei · 27 Jun 2006

Regarding the "-te arimasu" phrases/phrasing.

"Juumbi o shite arimasu" I made preparations.

Is the -te arimasu form basically a more polite way of saying "Juumbi o shita" ?

Glenn · 27 Jun 2006

No, that would be jumbi o simashita. The difference is that -te aru focuses more on the state, whereas the verb alone focuses on the action.

Jumbi o shimashita -- I made the preperations.
Jumbi o shite arimasu -- The preparations are done.

That's more the kind of nuance that it gives.

Elizabeth said:
「せい」と「おかげさまで」のほかの違いですが、せいの場合、修飾語は必要がありますが、
おかげさまでの場合、修飾語は必要じゃないとおもいますね。
さあ、なんとなく意味はわかりますが変な日本語ですか。ごめんなさい。
一度に返事を書ききれなくて。次回に続く

I'm not sure what you mean here. What about sentences like 交通事故のせいで遅刻してしまった? Are you saying that that's ungrammatical?

undrentide · 27 Jun 2006

もしかしたら、「おかげさまで」はそれだけで使えるけれど、
「せいで」は必ず「～の」が必要だ、ということでしょうか？
（だとしたら、「おかげで」も「せいで」と同じように「～の」が必要ですね。
「あなたのせい」で、とか「あなたのおかげ」で、とか。）

「おかげさまで」と言うときには、よく考えると何に感謝しているのかわかりません。
こういう言葉を考えると、日本人にとっても日本語って面白いなあと思います。

I wonder if Elizabeth san means while okagesamade stands on its own,
seide and okagede always need modifier (___ no sei/okage)?

When saying "okagesamade", I'm not sure to whom I'm feeling grateful.
Those kind of expressions makes me feel that Japanese is really an interesting language - even for a Japanese!

Glenn · 27 Jun 2006

Oh, alright. Yeah, that makes sense.

Elizabeth · 27 Jun 2006

undrentide said:
もしかしたら、「おかげさまで」はそれだけで使えるけれど、
「せいで」は必ず「～の」が必要だ、ということでしょうか？
（だとしたら、「おかげで」も「せいで」と同じように「～の」が必要ですね。
「あなたのせい」で、とか「あなたのおかげ」で、とか。）
「おかげさまで」と言うときには、よく考えると何に感謝しているのかわかりません。
こういう言葉を考えると、日本人にとっても日本語って面白いなあと思います。
I wonder if Elizabeth san means while okagesamade stands on its own,
seide and okagede always need modifier (___ no sei/okage)?
When saying "okagesamade", I'm not sure to whom I'm feeling grateful.
Those kind of expressions makes me feel that Japanese is really an interesting language - even for a Japanese!

明確にしてくれてありがとうございます、undrentide さん！
けれど、厳密に言うと、「おかげで」の場合にも、必ず「～の」が
必要ではないんじゃないかなあ。。。

日本語はとても奥が深いですね。

undrentide · 27 Jun 2006

Elizabeth said:
明確にしてくれてありがとうございます、undrentide さん！:emoji_blush:
けれど、厳密に言うと、「おかげで」の場合にも、必ず「～の」が
必要ではないんじゃないかなあ。。。

う～ん、なるほど。
「だれの（何の）おかげ」か相手にもはっきりわかるときには、たしかになくても大丈夫ですね。

e.g.
(1) このあいだは地図を送ってくれてありがとうございました。おかげで道に迷わずにすみました。
(2) 彼女が仕事を手伝ってくれました。おかげで早く終わりました。

「せいで」はこういう使い方ができませんものね。
エリザベスさん、すごい！
:emoji_relaxed:

Fuumei · 29 Jun 2006

Glenn said:
Jumbi o shimashita -- I made the preperations.
Jumbi o shite arimasu -- The preparations are done.

Ok, due to that I was able to figure it out. I appreciate it. However, I came across this sentence:
"anata to hanashi ga shita nakatta". I'm assuming this is practically the same form as "-te aru" except it has "shita" instead of "shite" and "nakatta" instead of arimasen deshita. (I haven't seen arimasen deshita used yet in the -te aru form)

Am I correct? :emoji_cry:

Elizabeth · 29 Jun 2006

Fuumei said:
Ok, due to that I was able to figure it out. I appreciate it. However, I came across this sentence:
"anata to hanashi ga shita nakatta". I'm assuming this is practically the same form as "-te aru" except it has "shita" instead of "shite" and "nakatta" instead of arimasen deshita. (I haven't seen arimasen deshita used yet in the -te aru form)
Am I correct?

'Shite nakatta' or 'Shitakunakatta' are perfectly fine, but shita nakatta is not properly grammatical.

Fuumei · 29 Jun 2006

Elizabeth said:
'Shite nakatta' or 'Shitakunakatta' are perfectly fine, but shita nakatta is not properly grammatical.

It seems that after going over the sentence again it's apparently "anata to hanashi ga shitakatta" as in "I wanted to speak with you." It was said very quickly so I was going by what I thought my ear heard.

Eternal Wind · 1 Jul 2006

Hi guys,

I need some help with translations from this pic.

Thanks in advance

undrentide · 1 Jul 2006

Eternal Wind said:
Hi guys,
I need some help with translations from this pic.

Thanks in advance

Hmmm I cannot see the last kanji in the first sentence, as it is blurred.

あんたの愛の真実は？ The truth (or sincerity) of your love is ?

許せない！！！ Unforgivable!!!

Glenn · 1 Jul 2006

Whew, that makes me feel better about not being able to make it out!

The only thing I can think of is 真, but it doesn't quite look like the 真 in 真実.

Eternal Wind · 1 Jul 2006

undrentide said:
Hmmm I cannot see the last kanji in the first sentnce, as it is blurred.
あんたの愛の真実は？ The truth (or sincerity) of your love is ?
許せない！！！ Unforgivable!!!

Ah~ thank you very much for translating! ^^

Glenn said:
Whew, that makes me feel better about not being able to make it out!

The only thing I can think of is 真, but it doesn't quite look like the 真 in 真実.

Ah yes,that is 真.I know Chinese words. ^^

Fehrant · 2 Jul 2006

How do you say "I'm worn out", inferring the source is daily routine (work and/or study)? Something you might be able to answer when asked おげんきですか.

moofs · 2 Jul 2006

Fehrant said:
How do you say "I'm worn out", inferring the source is daily routine (work and/or study)? Something you might be able to answer when asked おげんきですか.

You can try つかれた～ with the usual sigh and all that.

Elizabeth · 2 Jul 2006

moofs said:
You can try つかれた～ with the usual sigh and all that.

つかれています (つっかりつかれてしまってるん。。。） for a continual and overall state of tiredness

つかれた、疲れ果（は）てた -- spontaneously perceived when you have merely finished doing something that has produced a feeling of exhaustion

The difference in implication is small, though. Of course other combinations and linked verbs work for slang or casual usage.
:emoji_sob:

undrentide · 2 Jul 2006

Fehrant said:
How do you say "I'm worn out", inferring the source is daily routine (work and/or study)? Something you might be able to answer when asked おげんきですか.

「くたくたです」 is another expression for being worn out.

You can used it unless it is a formal occasion.
To your close friends, you can say 「も～、くたくただよ！」 or something like that.

Wanderer · 3 Jul 2006

こんにちはみんなさん

Could anyone help me translate this two verses of Sugawara no Michizane's poem:

秋風の吹き上げに立てる白菊は、
花かあらぬか波の寄するか
akikaze no fukiage ni tateru shiragiku
hana ka aranu ka nami no yosuru ka

I'm not sure if I romanized it good (i mean spaces), especially this second vers I know what every word mean (except one), but I can't get a sense of whole sentences (especially the second one )

I don't know the meaning of this "aranu" word... Could someone explain me?

Anyway, thanks for any help

undrentide · 3 Jul 2006

Wanderer said:
こんにちはみんなさん
Could anyone help me translate this two verses of Sugawara no Michizane's poem:
秋風の吹き上げに立てる白菊は、
花かあらぬか波の寄するか
akikaze no fukiage ni tateru shiragiku
hana ka aranu ka nami no yosuru ka
I'm not sure if I romanized it good (i mean spaces), especially this second vers I know what every word mean (except one), but I can't get a sense of whole sentences (especially the second one )
I dont know the meaning of this "aranu" word... Could someone explain me?
Anyway, thanks for any help

I think you romanization is correct, except "wa" is missing from the first sentence.

This is a waka poem of 9th century, thus the words and grammar are different from those of today's Janaese.
I'm not very good at classics especially grammar so I cannot explain the details also need to consult some online resources but... here's my try.

秋風の吹き上げに立てる白菊は、
花かあらぬか波の寄するか
akikaze no fukiage ni tateru shiragiku
hana ka aranu ka nami no yosuru ka

秋風の吹き上げに立てる白菊は、
Akikazeno fukiage ni - I think this is a kind of word play.
Fukiage is a name of a sea shore.
Akikazeno fuku (autumnal wind is blowin) + fukiage (no hama/Fukiage shore) ni

tateru shiragiku wa
tateru = tatteiru (standing)
shiragiku = shiroi kiku (no hana)

I think here the kiku is not a big showy one but those wild, small sized, which look like margarets.

The white kiku flowers standing on the Fukiage shore, being blown in the autumnal wind

花かあらぬか波の寄するか
aranu = aru + negative (nu is similar to today's "nai" to make negation)
hana ka : (are they) flowers
aranu ka : (or they are) not
nami no yosuru ka: (or are they) waves lapping (against the shore)

So the author is looking at the white kiku flowers on Fukiage shore, which are swaying in the autumn wind, and he wonders if the white flowers are really flowers, or just the waves lapping and crushing against the shore.

(Interesting thing is, this poem sounds like to be inspired by the simple beauty of nature, but in fact it was made on author's imagination of real scenery - according to the editor of 古今和歌集 in which this poem is included, it was made while they're looking at a kind of georama of Fukiage shore and white kiku planted on it. )

Fehrant · 3 Jul 2006

何時もありがとう、Elizabethさん、undrentideさん。

moofsさんも私にかんしゃします。(is this valid?)

Wanderer · 3 Jul 2006

どうもありがとうございました、undrentineさん

That is very helpful

Lady Blue · 3 Jul 2006

Excuse me, can anyone tell me what kind of message would I leave for my answering machine? You know, the kind of: "Hi, I cannot attend your call at this moment but please leave a message after the beep, thank you!!"

Need a word or phrase translated?

一切皆苦

先輩

先輩

眼鏡が要る

一切皆苦

Japa'n vagyok

一切皆苦

先輩

Japa'n vagyok

眼鏡が要る

先輩

眼鏡が要る

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Japa'n vagyok

一切皆苦

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後輩

先輩

先輩

Japa'n vagyok

後輩

Japa'n vagyok

後輩

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