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Toritoribe · 18 May 2012

mariamorievna said:
Hello again!

I have a problem with a certain sentence (it's a fragment of a dialogue from a manga; I put it in the same way it's printed in the speech bubble):

そんななりで
うろうろ
されてみろ
目立って仕方ねえ

I have the biggest problem with うろうろされてみろ . Is うろうろされて a passive form of うろうろする? If so, what does it mean in this form? If you translate it literally it doesn't make sense... Or maybe it's a potential form of さる? I found quite a lot examples of such usage of this verb - is it a set expression?

That's the passive of うろうろする. This passive is called the passive of adversity(迷惑の受身) among the indirect passive(間接受身). This form expresses that the subject suffers inconvenience/annoyance from the event. The subject is neither "the person who is done" nor "the person who does"("the person who is hung around(?)" nor "the person who hangs around" in this case). The true subject is indicated by に, just as お前にうろうろされる.

(俺がお前に)うろうろされる。
I suffer annoyance from your hanging around.

You can think that the meaning is the same to そんななりで（お前が）うろうろしてみろ。目立って仕方ねえ。 except the nuance of annoyance.

mariamorievna said:
Also, just to make sure: I should treat 目立って仕方ねえ as a separate sentence, right?

Yes, but してみろ is used as a conditional; うろうろしたら/したとすると here.

sl89 · 19 May 2012

Hello, I'm not quite sure what this is supposed to be.
Does anyone have any idea?

前に__あまった事が判明
Is it just supposed to be the Latin letters IP? If so, does anyone know what IP would mean here?
I'm not sure if the acronym has a different meaning in Japanese.

Toritoribe · 19 May 2012

I don't know the context, but if IP as "Internet Protocol address" doesn't make sense there, it might be 1P "one page" (especially when it's a topic about manga).

sl89 · 19 May 2012

Toritoribe said:
I don't know the context, but if IP as "Internet Protocol address" doesn't make sense there, it might be 1P "one page" (especially when it's a topic about manga).

IP in that sense definitely doesn't fit. 1P makes more sense. I'd explain the context more, but it's part of the title for a single page comic, so I'm not really sure how to explain it.
Thank you for the help!

mariamorievna · 19 May 2012

Toritoribe said:
That's the passive of うろうろする. This passive is called the passive of adversity(迷惑の受身) among the indirect passive(間接受身). This form expresses that the subject suffers inconvenience/annoyance from the event. The subject is neither "the person who is done" nor "the person who does"("the person who is hung around(?)" nor "the person who hangs around" in this case). The true subject is indicated by に, just as お前にうろうろされる.

(俺がお前に)うろうろされる。
I suffer annoyance from your hanging around.

You can think that the meaning is the same to そんななりで（お前が）うろうろしてみろ。目立って仕方ねえ。 except the nuance of annoyance.

Yes, but してみろ is used as a conditional; うろうろしたら/したとすると here.

Thank you so much for taking time to explain that matter so extensively! It turned out to be really interesting grammatical issue and I doubt I would be able to figure it out without your help. ^^
Thank you again!

Tind · 7 Jun 2012

Hi!
Could someone lease translate these Kanji for me to romaji ?

Thank you!

Toritoribe · 8 Jun 2012

suishō

Tind · 8 Jun 2012

Toritoribe said:
suishō

Thank you Toritoribe, you were a great help as always!
If it i not a problem, could you please also translate the following sentence+3 kanjis to romaji as well?

Thank you!

Toritoribe · 8 Jun 2012

Tind said:
Thank you Toritoribe, you were a great help as always!
If it i not a problem, could you please also translate the following sentence+3 kanjis to romaji as well?

Kawa ga saikou da.
no(-mu)/don
ichi
hito
(or "hitori" as a compound word)
The right one doesn't make much sense.

sofia said:
みちこさん、お元気ですか。
せんしゅうおきなわに行きました。あそこはとてもあつかったです。天気はよかったです。木曜日はともだちといっしょにうみでおよぎました。土曜日は日本の男の人と女の人と山に行って、たいへんでしたよ。でもとてもきれいでした。まいにちはたのしかったです。おきなわにきさってんがたくさんあります。まいにちきさってんでコーヒーを飲んで、ケーキも食べました。とてもおいしかったです。
らいしゅうあいましょうか。らいしゅうきょうとに行きますから。
じゃあ、また。
山田よkoう
七月十四日

Please don't double post.

huluobo · 8 Jun 2012

Japanese Name

Can someone tell me the Romanization for the following Japanese name?
涩谷和匡
涩 is the Simplified Chinese Character for 澀
涩谷 is probably Shibuya?
But I couldn't find 和匡

Context
较早并较有影响的定义是 1965 年日本学者涩谷和匡对 "族群" 下的定义

So is must be the name of a Japanese Scholar, most likely an anthropologist.

Thanks!

Toritoribe · 8 Jun 2012

The first kanji is 渋, so yes, his family name is "Shibuya".
渋 - ウィクショナリー日本語版

The most common reading for the given name 和匡 is "Kazumasa".

Andromedashun · 8 Jun 2012

Is
''サウジアラビアなどから石油を輸入されています''
translate as ''We has been imported oil from Saudi Arabia and the like''?

What is ''などから'' doing here?

Toritoribe · 8 Jun 2012

など "or the like/etc." + から "from"

It should be サウジアラビアなどから石油が輸入されています or サウジアラビアなどから石油を輸入しています.

Andromedashun · 8 Jun 2012

Oh, thanks alot Toritoribe! That was an example I taken from the book. XD

Toritoribe · 8 Jun 2012

If there's no typo, 輸入されています is an honorific of 輸入する and "we" can't be the subject.

Andromedashun · 8 Jun 2012

What about:
''サウジアラビアなどから石油が輸入されました''?
Is it correct?

Toritoribe · 8 Jun 2012

Yes, that's correct. That's the past passive. The problem in the original example is を輸入される, i.e., "を + passive".

Daimon · 9 Jun 2012

I believe these are the two rarest Kanji I have come across. Please, see if you can find anything, as I sure couldn't.

and

蟱

Shiriu · 12 Jun 2012

Daimon said:
I believe these are the two rarest Kanji I have come across. Please, see if you can find anything, as I sure couldn't.

and

蟱

I can't see this one on my computer (and I thought that all the necessary fonts were installed !) (right radical is 米 and left is 無 according to google image)
蟱, the kanji dictionary I use do not show meaning for this one, only the on-readings which are : ボう, ム,ブ and a kun-reading : くも.
Seeing that there is the radical 虫, I assume this one means spider, but I can't be sure.
By the way, I think that trying to find the rarest kanji is pretty vain, because probably more than 50 thousands of them or not used anymore (according to some ultra comprehensive kanji dictionaries). Check wikipedia and you'll find never used, complex kanji you'll never see again.

Anyway, I have a question about these two kanji together : 土産
It is usually read みやげ , is it not ? Is it a gikun like 田舎 ?

Thank you very much.

Toritoribe · 12 Jun 2012

Shiriu said:
I can't see this one on my computer (and I thought that all the necessary fonts were installed !)

How about the following ones?
匤瀨惲汜

And these ones?

If you can see only the former ones, it shows that your PC can't display four bytes UTF-8 characters.

Shiriu said:
Anyway, I have a question about these two kanji together : 土産
It is usually read みやげ , is it not ? Is it a gikun like 田舎 ?

That's 熟字訓 rather than 義訓. 義訓 is a term for Old Japanese(上代日本語), especially the ones used in 万葉集.

Kanji - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The kanji 土産 is from （その）土地の産物; produce/products of the region.

Shiriu · 13 Jun 2012

Well I don't know how to have these characters on the screen, and it's not as if I cared : I suppose these characters are never used because I've never had this problem beforehand.

Thanks Toritoribe.

sl89 · 24 Jun 2012

I'm having a hard time reading this kanji, any idea what it is?

Toritoribe · 24 Jun 2012

Probably that's a mistake in writing. I think the artist wanted to write 謝.

sl89 · 24 Jun 2012

Toritoribe said:
Probably that's a mistake in writing. I think the artist wanted to write 謝.

Thank you very much.

Alonsovic · 16 Jul 2012

Hi.
Could someone translate this kanji into English?

Thanks in advance!

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