Question Lesson 9 & 10: The End

Your answer of が is also valid for (11).
The nuance changes slightly, in that if it's も it suggests that the people drinking and singing are different people than the ones already introduced (i.e. the 会社務めの男の人達). Given that the English sentence is ambiguous, and could easily be interpreted as saying that some of the men were drinking, and some were singing, I would argue that they probably should have made it "There were *also* people..." if they were trying to elicit も as the sole correct answer.

(edit: Whoops! I forgot to refresh the page and didn't notice that Toritoribe-san had already answered your question.)
 
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(1)と Yumiko and I...
(2)は topical.

(3)を direct object Silly mistake here. They don't study the college, they study at the same college. So で.
(4)が conjunction.

(5)a contrastive は.
(6)の Major of English literature. It's the major "of" Yumiko, thus possessive の followed by the contrastive は I mentioned.
 

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(1) の: possessive
(2) は topical
(3) に existence marker.
This one was pretty easy.
 
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(1)と (Kimiko AND I)
(2)は topical
(3)と I'd say to express "Subway AND bus". I wanted to put で for both (3) and (4) but I decided against it.
(4)で means (of transportation)
(5)Instinctively I'd got with で/に to indicate the destination. The verb means to go back and worth so this could be a trap however.
Yeah, finished strong! Only lesson 10 left.
 
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(1)は topical.
(2)が new information
I'm tempted for a combination of のに for (3) and (4) as in the place where the action took place (に) and to link Japan with experiences(と).
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Could I get a hint for (5) please?
Do you have a tip when it comes to approaching compound particles? They seem to intimidate me a bit.
 
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(5) I'd say を as in the direct object of the verb 話す.
Let's go with のに for (3)&(4).
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Right:
(1)
Wrong:
(2)の possessive for my life in Japan.
(3)(4)での, I had never seen that combination before. Not sure about this.
(5) に time when the action took place more likely.
 
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(4)を: direct object of すると.
(3)で: 浴びて means to wash oneself. I'd say the manner here, as in "wash yourself how?" by taking a shower.
(1)は: topical
(2)に: time when an action takes place.

So は、に、で、を.
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I hesitated about を but yeah, (3) direct object. I guess I didn't expect it to be that simple!
 
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(1) の possessive
(2) で where the action takes place. Here the verb is あります as in we eat... so it's not really an action. I think this one will be wrong but I can't think of anything else.
Possessive again の
(3) は topical
(4)と and...

(5)と and...
の is the right answer here. Given that I don't know what ほか means, this was to be expected.
(6)で I'm not familiar with ほか. In the dictionary it says: in addition. So the manner then I suppose.
に was the right answer here as in an adverbial I would say.
(7)と and...
や that doesn't make sense to me. Why does it suddenly become non-exhaustive when it comes to eggs? Confused.:emoji_dizzy_face:
(8)が to exist...
も as in also exist I guess.
I'd need to revisit this after getting some input because some answers don't make sense to me.
 
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(1): topical
(2)を: I'm not sure. です is a copula. Do copulas ever require direct objects? It's the only particle which I can think of here. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is wrong.
This one was が, as new information I guess. :"New information" sounds vague to me. I mean, everything is new information in a sentence when you think about it.
(3)が: "but" conjunction.
(4)(5)だけ、を:oh boy, another compound. There's an "only" here so perhaps だけ. Here however the sentence is negative and the meaning is of: only this and nothing else so I'd say しか. That's one of the particle. What about the other one however? I think this is wrong but を as the direct object of eating.
Nope. So I was on the right track for だけ, the other one was a contrastive は. I thought だけ wasn't use for negative sentences.
 

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(1) と and...
(2) は topical
(3) で among...
(4) を leaving point
(5) が conjunction
(6) I think we said that when you talk about your brother and sisters you use に. I think this is の as in Kimiko's brother.
(7) は contrastive

(8) adverbial. I looked at some sample sentences in the dictionary to figure this one out.
が new information I suppose. I still don't get that "new information" function to be honest.
(9)に time when action takes place.
を that was my first answer then I changed it. Here's my logic:
A particle modifies what precedes it. The noun clause preceding the particle is a time, so logically it's the time when the action takes place... but I missed the うち right at the very end unfortunately.
 
It's pretty late and after drinking on the way home I might not be in the right mindset to answer all of your questions, but let me try to hit on as much as I can. My apologies in advance if some explanations aren't perfect.

Zizka said:
(3)と I'd say to express "Subway AND bus". I wanted to put で for both (3) and (4) but I decided against it.

It's good that you decided against this. Simply doubling up on the same particle is not generally the way you express this. Just like if you wanted to say "I ate sushi and tempura." it would be おすしとてんぷらを食べました, not おすしをてんぷらを食べました.

Zizka said:
Could I get a hint for (5) please?
Do you have a tip when it comes to approaching compound particles? They seem to intimidate me a bit.
Compound particles as a general concept are more complex, but this particular example is fairly simple, as ( )ついて (I won't explicitly state the particle because you say you only wanted a hint) is almost a set phrase/compound particle in itself. In fact, if you look it up in your Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar, you will probably find this as a single set construction.

Zizka said:
(3)(4)での, I had never seen that combination before. Not sure about this.
Yes, this is a slightly more complicated construction that I suppose it's understandable that you'd struggle with at first.

You understand that で can mark a location of action like 日本で生活しています ("I'm living in Japan."), right?

日本での生活 is a noun phrase meaning "my life in Japan", where 日本で is marked by の to modify 生活.

You could also find similar patterns like 銀行での仕事, 大学院での勉強, カナダ人としての経験, and so on and so forth. Compound particles are a tougher skill to master, so I'd encourage you to keep an eye out for further examples.

Zizka said:
(3)で: 浴びて means to wash oneself. I'd say the manner here, as in "wash yourself how?" by taking a shower.
This is something you just need to memorize/understand. With "to take a shower", シャワー is understood as the direct object of あびる. Incidentally, the corresponding phrase for "take a bath" is お風呂に入る (not お風呂を~).

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(2) で where the action takes place. Here the verb is あります as in we eat... so it's not really an action. I think this one will be wrong but I can't think of anything else.
Possessive again の
Again, remember, it's not just the meaning of "location" that it's important to, but what it connects to.
うちで朝食を食べました will be で, because it's marking the location where the action 食べました is performed, but here there's no verb, it's just connecting directly to 朝食, which means it needs to take の. Incidentally, the compound particle うちでの朝食 would not necessarily be wrong, but で alone cannot be used to simply connect two nouns.

For (5) 〇〇の他に means "other than 〇〇". This is something where you just have to learn what 他 means and how it's used.

For (7) and (8), ~と~が~ isn't necessarily invalid. The implication here is that it's giving an example of what they eat, not explicitly stating this is what they eat and nothing else. Like the previous sample of the karaoke bar, I would argue if they want to explicitly state that this is in addition to something else, they might want to make that more clear. That said, considering that ゆで卵 and 野菜 clearly occupy a different group than the food already introduced, it makes sense that they'd be introduced with も (_also_ eggs and veggies, in addition to the rice and miso soup we already mentioned, rather than ~が, which suggests that's it and nothing else.)

Zizka said:
(2)を: I'm not sure. です is a copula. Do copulas ever require direct objects? It's the only particle which I can think of here. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is wrong.
This one was が, as new information I guess. :"New information" sounds vague to me. I mean, everything is new information in a sentence when you think about it.
It's best that you learn Xが好きです as a pattern. I know that in the English "I like X", like is considered a verb and X the direct object, but that doesn't mean the similar Japanese construction functions the same way. 好き is not a verb, but a な adjective, and in a standard sentence, the thing you like is marked by が, not を.

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Nope. So I was on the right track for だけ, the other one was a contrastive は. I thought だけ wasn't use for negative sentences.
Not sure where you heard that だけ is invalid for negative sentences. When used to suggest contrast, は (or any compound particle including は) is typically going to be valid. Again, much like 好き above, 食べられません (which is a potential verb, not a standard verb), will more likely take が (or は in the negative) than を.

Zizka said:
(8) adverbial. I looked at some sample sentences in the dictionary to figure this one out.
が new information I suppose. I still don't get that "new information" function to be honest.
This means "the school is nearby, so..." In that sentence (both the Japanese and English). "the school" is not serving an adverbial function.

Zizka said:
A particle modifies what precedes it. The noun clause preceding the particle is a time, so logically it's the time when the action takes place... but I missed the うち right at the very end unfortunately.

うち is not a time.
If it were 7時( )うちを出ます, then に would be a valid option to fill the blank, but that's not what we have here. (But perhaps you've already noticed that.)
 
This means "the school is nearby, so..." In that sentence (both the Japanese and English). "the school" is not serving an adverbial function.
But why is it に though? What's the grammatical function of this に?
 
For (5) 〇〇の他に means "other than 〇〇". This is something where you just have to learn what 他 means and how it's used.
Well 他 means "other" according to my dictionary. So it's sort of like a set structure then.
 
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(1)の: apposition
(2)は: topicalご主人:this means husband but there's no mention of him being a husband anywhere in the translation (which still has a typo at compnay).
(3)から: reason/cause
(4)の: the car of the company
(5)で: means of transportation
(6)を: direct object of 迎え, "to pick up".
(7) I honestly have no clue. It can't be に as the time where the action takes place doesn't precede blank (7). A verb does: 迎え. What kind of particles would come after a verb to define it...?
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(5) conjunction (that was my first answer). But I thought で was even better.
(7) was actually に but why?
 
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(5)Instinctively I'd got with で/に to indicate the destination.
This might be just a typo, but the one for the destination is に or へ.

Lesson10 #1-3, 4
In addition to jt_-san's explanation, many particles are used in this '"Noun A + Particle" の Noun B' construction. "Noun A + Particle" is treated like a noun phrase that modifies Noun B.
e.g.
田中さんからの手紙
a letter from Tanaka
から indicates the sender of the letter.

田中さんへの手紙
a letter to Tanaka
に and へ both indicate the recipient of the letter, but に is not used with の.

敵との闘い
a fight against/with the enemy

東京までの距離
the distance to Tokyo
Have you seen a similar expression 大阪からと名古屋からとでは in an exercise previously, right? Actually, 大阪から and 名古屋から are treated like a noun phrase also here, so it's connected with と for listing nouns.

But why is it に though? What's the grammatical function of this に?
The correct particle is が, not に, i.e., 学校が近いので, not 学校に近いので. The latter can be correct when the subject is somewhere nearby the school.

e.g.
家が学校に近いので、遅く起きても大丈夫です。

However, the subject is Shinji in that sentence. He is not nearby the school (well at least not always).

#6-1
It's not apposition. The one you saw previously is ご主人の黒川さん.

2
It's an explanation about him, just like a self-introduction 私の名前は田中です.

5, 7
が in 5 is not conjunction. 車 is a noun, not a verb or an adjective, right? The key is 来ます at the end of the sentence (hint: a kind of compound verb).
 
Regarding (5), it was indeed a typo.
In addition to jt_-san's explanation, many particles are used in this '"Noun A + Particle" の Noun B' construction. "Noun A + Particle" is treated like a noun phrase that modifies Noun B.
So this isn't a compound particle in this case as the first particle is part of the noun phrase.
 
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When you write : 5,7 do you mean #5 (7) or (5)(7) of #6?
(5) If it's not a conjunction, than what could it be?
(7)Still confused. I don't see how it can be a compound since there's only one blank.
 
So this isn't a compound particle in this case as the first particle is part of the noun phrase.
Exactly.

When you write : 5,7 do you mean #5 (7) or (5)(7) of #6?
It's the latter since it's put right after "#6-1". The same goes to "2" above the "5, 7". I use "#5-7" for the former case instead of "5, 7".

5
You need to interpret what the function of 車 is in that sentence.

7
You've already encountered a similar expression "to go to a place to do something" previously.

Back to a previous question.
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会社勤めの男の人達もたくさん来ていました


As I mentioned previously in this post, 会社勤めの男の人達 and 会社の男の人達 are different in meaning. If it's 会社の, 会社 refers to a specific already-known company, i.e., the father's company here.Thus, 会社の男の人達 means the father's colleagues. On the other hand, 会社 refers to companies in general in 会社勤め, thus, 会社の男の人達 means (male) office workers in general. So, they are strangers in this case.
 
You've already encountered a similar expression "to go to a place to do something" previously.
This is strictly from memory but as I recall it's に, to go to a place to do something.
You need to interpret what the function of 車 is in that sentence.
I originally thought it was to indicate the means of transportation (by car). But it's not that apparently although I don't understand why.
 
This is strictly from memory but as I recall it's に, to go to a place to do something.
Here is the sentence we are talking about.
#20. 僕は弟と、大学に合格発表を見に行った。
Lesson 8: と、で、の、より&ほど | Page 2 | Japan Forum

The first に indicates the destination the subject went to, and the second one is for the purpose to go; went to the university to see 合格発表. The basic structure is;

(location) に/へ "the -masu stem of a verb" に行く/来る。

e.g.
レストランに夕食を食べに行く。
彼女の家にプレゼントを渡しに行く。
日本に日本語を勉強しに来る。
警察がうちに忘れものを届けに来る。

In #6, 迎え is the purpose to come.

I originally thought it was to indicate the means of transportation (by car). But it's not that apparently although I don't understand why.
Indeed 車 can be the means of transportation, so で can be correct in an appropriate context. The point is that Mr. Kurokawa is the topic/subject in that sentence.

黒川さんのご主人は社長さんですから、毎朝会社の車が八時ごろ黒川さんを迎えに来ます。

As I wrote previously, the topic rules the whole sentence or even the next sentence until the topic is changed. That sentence is talking about Mr. Kurokawa, so if で is used after 車, the subject of 迎えに来ます is interpreted as Mr. Kurokawa just like bellow.

黒川さんが毎朝会社の車で八時ごろ黒川さんを迎えに来ます。
(This is semantically odd, of course.)

To avoid being misinterpreted like this, it's necessary to use 車 as the subject of 来ます. That's why が is used here. One of the points the questioner wants to teach the learners in this exercise would be that the two expressions "Person が迎えに来る" and "車が迎えに来る" are both possible.
When the subject is not Mr. Kurokawa, but, for instance, someone in his company, there is no problem with using で (or rather, で is the only correct particle).
e.g.
黒川さんのご主人は社長さんですから、毎朝秘書が会社の車八時ごろ黒川さんを迎えに来ます。
 
In #6, 迎え is the purpose to come.
Ah yes ok, I get it. I thought it was only with 行く but really it's with any movement verbs. Good to know, I'll keep it in mind.
As I wrote previously, the topic rules the whole sentence or even the next sentence until the topic is changed.
Could you develop on this. I feel like it's important.
What do you mean by "rules"?
 
Also, I don't really understand this:
On the other hand, 会社 refers to companies in general in 会社勤め, thus, 会社の男の人達 means (male) office workers in general. So, they are strangers in this case.
Sorry!
 
"Rules" as in "governs" or "affects"/"influences" , in other words once you set a topic with は, it continues to be the topic until something dictates otherwise. Note that in the sentence you gave, everything until the end is talking about Mr. Kurokawa the 社長.

Compare something like:
田中くんは東大の入学試験に合格したから、きっと将来いい会社に入れると思います。
Tanaka passed the entrance exam for Tokyo University, so I'm sure he'll get into a good company in the future.
vs.
田中くんが東大の入学試験に合格したから、お祝いの飲み会をやってあげましょう。
Tanaka passed the entrance exam for Tokyo University, so let's throw him a congratulatory party.

は is more natural for the former since the focus of the entire sentence is on Tanaka, whereas in the latter the focus in the second clause shifts to what *we* are doing, and Tanaka is strictly the subject (marked with が) of the first clause.
This is why は is essentially never used in relative clauses, as it does not have the tightly binding quality that が、を、etc. have.

鈴木先生が書いた本を買いました。
I bought the book Dr. Suzuki wrote. (Dr. Suzuki is strictly the grammatical subject of 書く in the relative clause, implying that someone else unstated is the subject of 買いました.)
鈴木先生は書いた本を買いました。
Dr. Suzuki bought the book that someone (I?) wrote. (Dr. Suzuki is the topic which rules/governs the entire sentence including 買いました, which suggests that someone else is the unstated grammatical subject of 書いた.)

Context also plays a role, but that should clear it up a bit.

Regarding 会社 vs. 会社務め, the former almost always refers to a specific company. If I say, out of context, 会社の友達と飲みに行って来ました, I mean I went drinking with my friends from *my* place of employment. If I say 居酒屋で会社務めの男の人達と飲みました, it implies I was at a pub and drank with some random office workers there.
 
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But why is it に though? What's the grammatical function of this に?
Toritoribeさん already mentioned this, but yes, it's not に.

Xが学校に近いです。means "X is close to the school."
学校が近いです。means "The school is close by (to something)."

Note that in the former, 学校 is a locational referent, and in the latter, it's the grammatical subject of 近い.
 
Very good explanation, especially about は/が, I Feel like it further clarifies the difference between the two.
Xが学校近いです。means "X is close to the school."
In this case, which function of the に is it? It's not to indicate where something exists is it?
 
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