Japanese war graves

[Mycernius]

I have recently heard a programme on radio four called Question, Questions where one listener asked are their any German war graves in the UK and who looks after them. My question is are their similar graves in China and Korea. Surely all the years the Japanese occupied Korea and China there must have been graveyards for the Japanese soldiers and civilians. If so are they looked after, or just left to ruin by the Koreans and Chinese?

 

[caster51]

I dont think thare are...
Their countries are countries that drags a dead person out of a grave and hits the whip to the dead Culturally.

 

[Ewok85]

I dont think thare are...
Their countries are countries that drags a dead person out of a grave and hits the whip to the dead Culturally.

Wow, now that is racist. You must be Japanese for such an uneducated and biased reponse like that.

 

[caster51]

Wow, now that is racist. You must be Japanese for such an uneducated and biased reponse like that.

racist?
you dont konw their culture?( ﾅｽ竄ｬﾅｽﾃ停?堙俄?｢ﾃ堋）

 

[undrentide]

Wow, now that is racist. You must be Japanese for such an uneducated and biased reponse like that.

I do think caster51's comment is dreadful but please don't make it sound as if any Japanese would make such racist remarks...

 

[Ewok85]

I do think caster51's comment is dreadful but please don't make it sound as if any Japanese would make such racist remarks...

Not saying any Japanese would make such a racist comment, I'm saying that caster51 must be Japanese (from his posting patterns).

racist?
you dont konw their culture?( ﾅｽ竄ｬﾅｽﾃ停?堙俄?｢ﾃ堋）

Got any proof for such an outrageous comment?

 

[caster51]

in chinese WAR history from ancient, that acts always are seen in the history books...
Enemy's soul and dead body are stricken with the whip further....
As a result and warning , the soul are completely stopped.

he was a famous one

Wang Jingwei - Wikipedia

窶愿ｺ窶怒窶堋ｪ窶愿ｺ窶吮??ﾂ静ｭ窶侏?・窶佚ｦ窶愿ｱﾅｽﾅｸﾂ青｢ﾅ?E窶佚･ﾂ静ｭ窶堙俄?捏窶徒窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙?、ﾂ坂?倪?督ｯ窶怡窶堙坂?｢ﾃｦ窶堙ｰ窶敘｡窶挧窶堋ｵﾂ、ﾋ?｢窶佚娯?堙坂?卍ｷﾂ江窶堙嫁?ﾃｼ窶堙??堙ｧ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｽ

 

[Ewok85]

You give one example, but that doesn't make it part of the culture or widespread. Its not Chinese in origin, and happens in many different countries. I could think up plenty of things worse that have been perpetrated by Japanese in times of war...

 

[caster51]

You give one example, but that doesn't make it part of the culture or widespread. Its not Chinese in origin, and happens in many different countries. I could think up plenty of things worse that have been perpetrated by Japanese in times of war...

at least, Even if it is an enemy or a criminal , the dead are not blasphemed in japan.

Its not Chinese in origin

this Proverb was from china...
Wu Zixu - Wikipedia

窶伉ｷ窶｢ﾂ絶?堙??ｹﾂ､窶堙嘉ｨﾅｽﾃｨﾆ停?堙娯?｢ﾃ｢ﾂ債ｲ窶堙俄?懌?凪?堋ｽ窶堙ｨﾅ津?窶堙ｰ窶ｹﾂｭﾂ坂?倪?堙??堋ｵﾂ、窶ｹIﾅ陳ｳ窶楼506窶扼窶堙俄?録窶堙問?｢ﾂｺ窶堙ｰﾂ出窶堋ｵﾂ、窶堋ｻ窶堙固ｽﾃｱ窶徭窶堙ｰﾅ?ﾃ冷?版ｽ窶堋ｳ窶堋ｹ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶｢ﾂｽ窶ｰﾂ､窶堙最?ﾃｹ窶堙嫁ｽ竄ｬ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙?津槐ｽqﾃ｣ﾃｯ窶堙坂?｢ﾃｦ窶堙ｰ窶貼窶堋ｫﾂ、窶｢ﾂｽ窶ｰﾂ､窶堙固ｽ竄ｬ窶佚娯?堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ壺?佚??堙≫?堙?債ｦ窶堙昶?堙ｰﾂ青ｰ窶堙ｧ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｪﾂ「ﾅｽ竄ｬﾅｽr窶堙俄?｢ﾃ?窶堙樞?堋ｿ窶堋､)窶堙つ」窶堙固津ｪﾅ陳ｹ窶堙俄?堙遺?堙≫?堋ｽ

where is origin...?
you should read this
Records of the Three Kingdoms - Wikipedia

 

[Ewok85]

What proverb? I meant the idea of desecrating graves and the dead is not uniquely chinese - there are records of Japanese solidiers doing similar in WWII, and details going back to roman and egytian times predating Chinese records.

 

[caster51]

there are records of Japanese solidiers doing similar in WWII

a grave of Unnamedﾂ chinese soldiers Killed in action

other grave of Unnamedﾂ chinese soldiers Killed in action

窶禿税ｽq窶｢_窶堙娯?愿ｼ窶堙ｨﾅ津ｻ窶堙俄?堋ｱ窶堙娯?堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙遺?卍才?督鞘?倪?堋ｫ窶堙ｰﾅ断窶堋ｰ窶堋ｽﾂ。
ﾂ「窶禿税ｽq窶｢_窶堙嫁ｽQ窶捍窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ坦ﾂ人窶堙個心窶慊ｾﾂ」
窶啀ﾂ、窶禿税ｽq窶堙債孔ﾅｽq窶堙??ｹﾂ､窶堙嫁ｽx窶愿淞人窶堙個催??堙?ﾂ絶?吮?捍窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩﾋ?個人窶堙??堋?窶堙ｩﾂ。窶ｰﾃ､ﾂ々ﾂ、窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人窶堙俄?堙??堙≫?堙??堙?ﾂ青ｸﾂ神窶廬窶｢ﾂｶ窶ｰﾂｻ窶堙娯?ｰﾂｶﾂ人窶堙??堋?窶堙ｩﾂ。
窶啣ﾂ、ﾅｽQ窶捍窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩﾅｽﾃ停?堙債、ﾅ津個坂?倪?堙俄?堋ｨ窶堋｢窶堙?神ﾅｽﾃ青、窶｢ﾂｧﾅ?t窶堙嫁ｽQ窶捍窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙??慊ｯ窶罵窶堙個心窶慊ｾ窶堙ｰﾅｽﾂ昶?堙≫?堙?慎窶堙敖深窶堋ｭﾂ行窶慊ｮ窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堋ｱ窶堙?。
窶啌ﾂ、窶禿坂?敕坂?廬ﾂ行窶慊ｮ窶堋ｪﾂ皇ﾅ坦窶堙娯?督ｼ窶農窶堙ｰ窶敖ｭ窶波窶堋ｵﾅｽx窶愿溪?督ｯﾂ衆窶堙俄?愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ坦窶堋ｪﾂ親窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堙ｪ窶堙ｩ窶氾坂?堙??堙遺?堙ｩ窶堋ｱ窶堙??堙ｰ窶添窶堙ｩ窶堙冷?堋ｩ窶堙ｧ窶堋ｸ

Mencius is Chinese's great man respected most.
It is a benefactor of the spiritual culture for the Japanese.
The person who visits a shrine must behave in modesty with a similar knowledge when the
Shinto shrine and the temple are visited in the homeland......

窶挧窶ｰﾃｳﾂ、窶板ｪ窶僖窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堙?窶堙娯?堙最坦窶邸窶ｰﾃｯ窶ｹc窶堙俄?堋ｩ窶堋ｯﾅ陳ｵﾂ重窶堙可祥??冉窶堋ｷ

 

[undrentide]

I have recently heard a programme on radio four called Question, Questions where one listener asked are their any German war graves in the UK and who looks after them. My question is are their similar graves in China and Korea. Surely all the years the Japanese occupied Korea and China there must have been graveyards for the Japanese soldiers and civilians. If so are they looked after, or just left to ruin by the Koreans and Chinese?

Checking on the net, I found many webpages mentioning about the Japanaese graves in Russia (Siberia) and Indonesia but somehow cannot find much about those in China or Korea.
At least there is one graveyard in ﾂ坂?｢窶板ｴﾂ江ﾂ湘 (sorry don't know how it is written in English) which is taken care of by the local government.

ﾂ静ｭﾅ津｣ﾂ、窶啀窶唸窶啅窶啌窶扼窶堙嫁ｽﾃｼ窶ｰﾂｶ窶藩??堙娯?ｹ窶凪?ｰﾃや?堙ｰ窶慊ｾ窶堙?、窶｢ﾃｻﾂ青ｳ窶冢窶ｹﾃｦ窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人ﾅ津ｶ窶｢ﾃｦ窶堋ｪ窶板ｧ窶堙??堙ｧ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堋ｪﾅｽn窶堙懌?堙ｨ窶堙?、窶啀窶唸窶啗窶售窶扼窶啀窶唹ﾅ椎ｽ窶堙俄?愿ｺ窶吮??窶認ﾂ好窶ｰ竄ｬ窶氾鯛?堋ｪﾂ青ｮ窶敕ｵ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｪﾂ、窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人ﾅ津ｶ窶｢ﾃｦ窶堙ｰﾋ?壺?倪?吮?堋ｵﾂ、窶堋?窶堙ｭ窶堋ｹ窶堙??售窶啜窶唹ﾂ人窶堋ｪﾂ集窶冂ﾅｽﾂｩﾅ塚??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶独椎ｽR窶冢窶ｹﾃｦ窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人ﾅ津ｶ窶｢ﾃｦ窶堙?ﾅ椎｡窶板ｧ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｽﾂ。ﾋ?闇津｣窶堙?ﾂ、窶啀窶唸窶唸窶啜窶扼窶堙俄?堙坂?吮??ﾂ坂?伉人窶倍窶｢ﾆ停?｢ﾃｪﾅ津ｶ窶｢ﾃｦﾂ・窶凖や?氾ｱﾅ?ﾃ吮?堙遺?堙??堋ｪ窶ｰﾃ≫?堋ｦ窶堙ｧ窶堙ｪﾂ、窶扼ﾂ々ﾂ青ｮ窶敕ｵ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ。
ﾂ侵窶板ｪ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ坂?倪?堙娯?吮??窶堙可催ｬ窶堙ｧ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｽ窶韮ﾋ?ｪ窶堙娯?愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人窶｢ﾃｦ窶冢ﾂ。窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｰ窶戳窶堙溪?堋ｽﾅｽﾃｼ窶ｰﾂｶ窶藩??堙戸?娯?佚･窶堋ｳ窶堙?、窶堋ｻ窶堋ｵ窶堙??冢ﾅ陳ｳ窶堙個人窶傳窶堙娯?忸窶氾岩?堙個広窶堋ｳ窶堙ｰﾅ?'窶堋ｶ窶堙ｩﾂ。

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/overland/japan/heilongjianghigashieurasia2.htm

窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?堙??韮ﾋ?ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｩ窶冢窶｢ﾃｻﾂ青ｭ窶｢{ﾅ?ﾃ??板昶?堙娯?愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人窶｢ﾃｦ窶冢ﾂ「窶｢ﾃｻﾂ青ｳﾅ陳ｧ窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人ﾅ津ｶ窶｢ﾃｦﾂ」

ＦＮＳドキュメンタリー大賞
But it is not a graveyard existing from/during the war, but was made in 1963 to commemorate about4,500 Japanese who died there.

I have no idea if there were many Japanese graveyards in China and Korea during Japanese invation/occupation, but if there are not many left, it could be because many bones (or cremated remains?) were collected and sent back to Japan after the war.
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[caster51]

I have no idea if there were many Japanese graveyards in China and Korea during Japanese invation/occupation, but if there are not many left, it could be because many bones (or cremated remains?) were collected and sent back to Japan after the war.

there are many japanese soldier's graveyaed in Philippines and south east asia
http://www.ch-sakura.jp/streamfiles/asx/caliraya.asx
http://www.ch-sakura.jp/streamfiles/asx/muntinlupa.asx
Japan should thank them though it is pain for them

 

[twinklestar]

At least there is one graveyard in ﾂ坂?｢窶板ｴﾂ江ﾂ湘 (sorry don't know how it is written in English) which is taken care of by the local government.Many bones (or cremated remains?) were collected and sent back to Japan after the war.

The English translation is Heilongjia province in China's NE region ( far northern part of old Manchuria borders Siberia ).US former Deputy of Defense James Lilley's book China Hands described one trip to Japan from seaport city of Tsingtao in Shandong Peninsula ( China ) during those war years,he witnessed some Japanese parents lined up at the naval port to receive jarred cremated remains of their son(s) persoanlly handed to them by Japanese Army official.

 

[CBT1979]

Every people is only human!

There are gravediggers, war criminals, but also idealists in each nations armed forces.

It would be wrong to claim or accuse any nation's soldiers or even people generally as evil, uncivilized etc.
Neither Chinese, Koreans nor Japanese did pulling out the corpses out of someone graves as a national behaviour. It might happen in some private cases but it is not acceptable to do this, even if it is a grave of your enemy.
War is never a good thing and the result is usually causing only more suffrage and hatred.
Every nation needs a competent and capable military to protect the country and its people but must not be abused by political power struggles and imperialistic plannings.

As for the bones. There were at least 3.2 million Chinese soliders who lost their lives from 1937 to 1945 and around 1.1 million Japanese soldiers on Chinese soil. Some (I guess the high ranking officers) might be transported back to Japan early, while many were just left behind on the battlefield. After the war was over most corpses were just burnt, so no matter they were Chinese or Japanese soldiers, they turned into ashes.