Mandylion said:Fantastic post by Bossel -
For me, this sums it up (from the first of Bossel's links)
"They had little value until offshore oil exploration began in the 1970s..."
Don't let all the right-wing nationalists fool you. You see a lot of flag burning and 50 or so people yelling at the embassy in Beijing, but if you listen close, both the Japanese and Chinese govenments are trying to make it as much of a non-issue as possible (that some Chinese people were arrested is the only reason this is even in the news again) while not giving any ground on their claims.
Just as a bit of advice - if you want to go around burning flags, you will look a bit less childish if you take the trouble to get cotton flags. They tear easier and burn nicer than polyester ones (if you have seen news footage recently you will know what I mean).
窶督シ窶督ウ窶堋オ said:United States returned Okinotorishima to Japan along with other Ogasawara islands in 1968. This is an excellent summary by Time Magazine.Island Preservation Activity
4321go said:To Wang: I have to be polite in this forum,So I have only one sentence for you:Whether China attack TaiWan depends on TaiWan,splittism =war.
Eisuke said:I am not dreaming it is a clear fact that it is Japanese.
I would love to see that happen. I have (had) friends and teachers from both sides, so...Tonysoong said:Secessionism does not equate war. The most rational way of reunification is the two sides reunifying on equal basis. Any way, Taiwan is a democracy.
This may not be the proper occasion for discussion of Taiwan-Mainland relationship though.
Wang said:.
China stop your land claim stealing. China already has very much land so stop trying to steal even more land with those ridiculous claims, you're just a bunch of expansionistic imperialists. You already invaded Tibet and Xinjiang that is actually Eastern Turkestan, what is next? You want to claim Siberia because of the oil reserves too?
China is a ULTRA Overpopulated country that sucks up very much resources like a ever growing BLACK HOLE.
lexico said:I And while we're at it, let's not forget the Original Taiwanese テ、iテ?sナ陳エツ住窶督ッ窶伉ー who's suffered so much by so many, esp. during the 50 yr colonial rule.
Has Japan ever thanked them and apologized to them, "Thank you for letting us use your land, air, sea, and the people for 50 yrs. We are sorry for all the hurt we've given you, including the horrible acts of taking comfort women and dragging men to war which was not yours, and for humiliating you after the war by our non-repentance" ?
Tonysoong said:Wang:
Cursing and abusing perhaps won't stop anyone claiming anything that he thinks is his own.
You need behave yourself if you want your words to carry any weight--- don't curse or abuse -- to be a gentleman or lady, which i think your parents and teachers must have told you.
Tonysoong said:Japan (or perhaps some Japanese to be more exact) may have always been worried by its small size
Well, size doesn't matter. It's a person, and an equal in the international setting, right ?Tonysoong said:Japan (or perhaps some Japanese to be more exact) may have always been worried by its small size, so let's try to understand them and help them realize what is the proper way for them to carry around.
O, we're just a small country, not even as big as Japan, and the population is also perhaps somewhere near 60% of that of Japan ?Tonysoong said:But, Lexico, Is South Korea, which has been much more pacific-orientated, any bit larger than Japan?
I never thought of it that way. Perhaps there are great possiblities that Korea and Japan can help each other once the uncomfortable *remainders of Old Japan* is cleared out of the way. I'm guessing (about the two positive articles that Wang posted yesterday and today) that Kim Dae Jung's mild populatiry with the Japanese may have influenced to some degree the softening of the hard-liner rhetoric. But mostly (from Machiavellian point of view) that the tough, serious response from PRC people and gov't (of course S. Korea as usual) has had a positive effect in the signs of change. There was a passage from a book written by one Japanese-Korean Mizuno Shunpei ツ絶?ヲ窶禿ャツ俊窶「ツス;Tonysoong said:Oh, perhaps the Korean people with their pacific-orientation are in a better position to help enlighten some of our Japanese neighbors.
Don't take it too seriously, Wang. Criticism can be one sign of brotherly-love. Whether you like Tony or not really doesn't matter. Sorry for the unwarranted comment.Wang said:That reply was for a other guy. Why are you digging up old posts.
lexico said:Well, size doesn't matter. It's a person, and an equal in the international setting, right ?
O, we're just a small country, not even as big as Japan, and the population is also perhaps somewhere near 60% of that of Japan ?I never thought of it that way. Perhaps there are great possiblities that Korea and Japan can help each other once the uncomfortable *remainders of Old Japan* is cleared out of the way. I'm guessing (about the two positive articles that Wang posted yesterday and today) that Kim Dae Jung's mild populatiry with the Japanese may have influenced to some degree the softening of the hard-liner rhetoric. But mostly (from Machiavellian point of view) that the tough, serious response from PRC people and gov't (of course S. Korea as usual) has had a positive effect in the signs of change. There was a passage from a book written by one Japanese-Korean Mizuno Shunpei ツ絶?ヲ窶禿ャツ俊窶「ツス;
"To deal with the Japanese well, diplomacy alone might not be enough.
One must be ready to play hard ball." (paraphrase)
I tend to agree. Do you honestly think that Japan would have been so malleable to the wishes of the US if US lacked the military superiority ? Carrot and stick, I always say. As for Japan, more stick, but not to forget the carrot. Just my impression. I hope nobody gets offended by my opinion. Different measures for different times, I guess.
O, needless to say they haven't.Tonysoong said:Good point, Lexico, But i still doubt whether they have digested the American carrots and whether sticks can knock reason and morality into the head of a someone.
I don't mean any offense to any individual though
supersugar said:Taiwan isn't a nation yet.
supersugar said:Your so called Over 70 percent are to recognize ROC is a sovereign and independent nation,not your dream taiwan republic. Don't garble, ok? Do remember taiwan is a province of ROC, will never become a nation.
Yes, no one could reject the people's desire. Taiwan and the rest of China will reunited soon after mainland become democracy,too.Wang said:I don't think so. I believe freedom will prevail!
Tonysoong said:Taiwan is still ROC, I like that idea (or fact). If we mainland Chinese had another chance to make a choice, I believe an overwhelming majority of us would doubtlessly choose ROC rejecting PRC. History played a joke on the Chinese. We blindly allowed communism to take advantage of us and expelled a democratic-orientated political party (KMT) and its government.
BTW, I, and a number of friends around me hold that the communist takeover in China partly resulted from Japanese invasion of China ---- the CCP took advantage of the Japanese invasion to develop its military power when KMT was fighting the Japanese invaders.
supersugar said:Yes, no one could reject the people's desire. Taiwan and the rest of China will reunited soon after mainland become democracy,too.