Japan agrees to stop hunting humpback whales

[centrajapan]

ich habe ein cool das handy. Speak English?

 

[kame]

and Kame,
I did write that because in comment to centrajapan's previous thread Imperialist aussie pigs, i have simply been replacing any racist statment made by centrajapan and replacing it with another country other than Australia, get the picture?

Yes, it means that you are no better than centrajapan, and you happen to choose Japanese in your insult even though the person you were reacting to was not a Japanese. Some of centrajapan's comments do sound racial but that "imperialist Japanese pigs" definitely is based on racism, even in the context.

 

[Sarapva]

So you're blaming Rose for mimicking centrajapan, but cen.japan gets away with ten times as many racist comments. The only ones on this forum making racist comments are the ones complaining that others are making them.

 

[centrajapan]

I am mimmicking Rose because her attitudes are racist and she is not even aware of it. Here she is rallying how evil Japanese are on whaling yet seem to praise the Australian kangaroo massacre. It is this double standard which is quite hard to understand and do seem based on racism. Or pure irrational ethnocentric emotions.

I atleast back up my claims with facts. Thats much more than what Rose does.

 

[kame]

So you're blaming Rose for mimicking centrajapan, but cen.japan gets away with ten times as many racist comments. The only ones on this forum making racist comments are the ones complaining that others are making them.

No matter how bad centrajapan trashes you, it's sad that Rose had to top centrajapan by writing "you imperialist Japanese pigs". He does trash talk while he does give rational thoughts once in a while. If you don't like centrajapan, just ignore him. Don't get BENEATH his level and call somebody else "pigs".

After all, mimicking someone's bad behavior is not an excuse in the real world, is it?

 

[kame]

Deleted due to double posting

 

[Sarapva]

No matter how bad centrajapan trashes you, it's sad that Rose had to top centrajapan by writing "you imperialist Japanese pigs". He does trash talk while he does give rational thoughts once in a while. If you don't like centrajapan, just ignore him. Don't get BENEATH his level and call somebody else "pigs".
After all, mimicking someone's bad behavior is not an excuse in the real world, is it?

It's just ironic that we let all those comments go by, but the minute someone else makes a similar comment, that person is jumped all over. Unfortunately, I think that is how it is in the "real" world.

 

[kame]

It's just ironic that we let all those comments go by, but the minute someone else makes a similar comment, that person is jumped all over. Unfortunately, I think that is how it is in the "real" world.

You see, I would have ignored it if Rose just called centrajapan or Norwegians "imperilaist pigs", but instead she chose to trash Japanese. If you don't see some serious racism in that, you probably have some racism in you too.

 

[Chi65]

Wrong target.
Why don't you say the same to C's much more obvious violence?

 

[kame]

Wrong target.
Why don't you say the same to C's much more obvious violence?

No Rose chose the wrong target by directing her hatrid against Japanese instead of her offender. I don't meddle into someone else's quarrel but Rose's racial slur crossed a line for me.

 

[Chi65]

No Rose chose the wrong target by directing her hatrid against Japanese instead of her offender. I don't meddle into someone else's quarrel but Rose's racial slur crossed a line for me.

I am neither blind nor silly, young man. . .respect denied now

You better go ALL the way back to the source of beginning racist remarks. If you can't, you have loads of prejudices yourself.

 

[Sarapva]

That's right, kame - why doen't centrajapan's "aussie i---- p--" remark offend you? He "crossed the line" quite a few times.

 

[Rose Selavey]

Yes, it means that you are no better than centrajapan, and you happen to choose Japanese in your insult even though the person you were reacting to was not a Japanese. Some of centrajapan's comments do sound racial but that "imperialist Japanese pigs" definitely is based on racism, even in the context.

I was still trying to get centrajapan to understand what racism feels like if you view his profile he is also Japanese. And I will continue to replace centrajapans comments with other countries until he gets the picture. Comments like centrajapan make me angry, by placing all people of one nation in the same basket you are being racist and discriminatory. I have never attacked the Japanese people, simply asked them to become informed, and have only pleaded with the Japanese government and the whaling fleet to stop the hunt. This is not racism, and I would like to see the villages which a re so reliant on whaling in Japan to go the IWC to receive a quota of whales to be hunted by their village, I'm sure they would not get the fifty they are asking for but they may get a few.

And I know this is again off topic BUT their are only four species of kangaroo which are harvested in Australia yes, it is a large number but it is a regulated industry conforming to Australian law and international law. The industry was out of control about 30 years ago when it was shut down by English animal rights activists, and because of their efforts the animals are now killed in a more humane way. Kangaroos are well adapted to Australian conditions and since the clearing of trees (this is what made the population boom not a lack of predators) the grasslands in Australia have become plentiful, this has in turn made certain species population boom (kangaroos can have 3 to 4 babies on the go at once) and their soft feet are the most benifical for the soil in Australia, rather than hard hoofed cattle and sheep.

 

[Chi65]

I don't even think, C. is a Japanese, and if so, then a very "disturbed" one.
He can say some very good things, if he is clear though, but his ego-hot-headedness and fixed views and bad behaviour destroys it all.
Pity in a way, because in his thread about where you wish to live, he is really(!) fine and I sign everything most happily, also from own experiences.

 

[Sarapva]

I don't even think, C. is a Japanese, and if so, then a very "disturbed" one.
He can say some very good things, if he is clear though, but his ego-hot-headedness and fixed views and bad behaviour destroys it all.
Pity in a way, because in his thread about where you wish to live, he is really(!) fine and I sign everything most happily, also from own experiences.

Yes, that's right - I've also seen some very reasonable posts by c.j. I just wish that in these threads we could have a back-and-forth argument/discussion without regard to nationality and with no "you believe this - therefore you are that" remarks.

 

[Kyoto Returnee]

You see, I would have ignored it if Rose just called centrajapan or Norwegians "imperilaist pigs"

I think you have ya balls twisted!

I took Roses message as a little nudge to get Centrajapan to quiet down with his silly racist remarks, after all, we all know whaling has nothing to do with racism.

 

[Chi65]

Yes, that's right - I've also seen some very reasonable posts by c.j. I just wish that in these threads we could have a back-and-forth argument/discussion without regard to nationality and with no "you believe this - therefore you are that" remarks.

Thanks and
general rant, because it comes to my mind:

There is one thing a very respectable Japanese once told me:
we see things all the way round (or from all sides)

Taking your teapot into your hands and observing it by turning it all around in the tea ceremony probably mirrors this.
And it is a preparation for further talks afterwards. They start with that preparation which also mirrors old native indian calm face to face before the actual palaver.

Its a conscious and goodwilling state of mind, that makes one see things for what they are with respect for each other.

Thats not easy in our loaded times, but still a goal to be able to come to.
You cannot say anything about others, unless you have observed it thoroughly from all sides, with respect and not wild projections.

In any case of false offence (I am a former Aikidokin), there comes this: back to sender.

Which only means, try again in another way, if possible, without harming this time.

And maybe adding some maybes to it rather than being so sure.
Maybe it all looks a bit different then and may even change again?
If we can grant this for everyone, maybe there is more than one way to find. That goes for us as well as for the others.
Islanders are a special chapter in this, but even in nature observations you will find constant changes to find new balances, if not, you will be hurt or/and hurt others...and that can also be worldwide with a local problem.
And then its no "racism" to bring it onto the table, with different views, also worldwide.

 

[centrajapan]

Its a conscious and goodwilling state of mind, that makes one see things for what they are with respect for each other.

You are not respecting whaling cultures. Thats my point and still is my point.

You cannot say anything about others, unless you have observed it thoroughly from all sides, with respect and not wild projections

You have not observed butt crack. And only projecting.

Islanders are a special chapter in this, but even in nature observations you will find constant changes to find new balances

Yet you are a bigger contributon to global warming thus changing the balance of nature and wanting to change other people's habits and not your own. That is cultural imperialism innit?

 

[Sarapva]

You are not respecting whaling cultures. Thats my point and still is my point.

This is where you're wrong, centrajapan. You're mistaking opinions for disrespect. It sounds like the only way you'll believe you're getting respect is if people agree with you. That's not how it works. We can respect you and still disagree, but it is you who have a problem respecting. You need to "stop looking at the speck in others' eyes and look at the tree trunk in your own eye".

 

[Chi65]

Exactly, Sarapva. I cannot take all that above from C. seriously, simply because its not true and only his problem of view. With a bit of goodwill, everyone can see this.
I said clear enough, what I respect and what not and why and when. He only has to reread this.
The rest is just plain childish and unnecessary to answer to.

His problems of understanding others are his problems alone and more a psychological one.

But he has nevertheless good and interesting informations, that I will read, amongst other sides, of course.

 

[Haruspex]

I will state one thing, I respect every culture equally, including my own, and you see, im not gonna respect any culture more than the rest, not even if they've been whaling before actually coming out of the ocean and growing limbs.
If you make racist comments, that happens, can't do a thing, thats how things are. But at least have the spine, and take the racist rubbish from others too.
Last time I checked this site was called JREF - Japan Reference and not PWC - Praise Whaling Cultures.
I just don't get it, people on the earth don't give a damn whether they're a whaling culture or not. Its like digging up some old manuscript which says that your ancestors used to make elliptic clay dishes, and start worshiping them cause they made elliptic clay dishes (BLOODY HELL, ELLIPTIC CLAY DISHES, AIN'T THAT AMAZING? WHOA, THE REST ****, ONLY ONES WHO MADE ELLIPTIC CLAY DISHES MAY SPEAK!).
Its like eskimos telling you to quit whaling cause you didn't build iglus.

 

[Sarapva]

Yes, I agree that every person and animal (every living thing) should be treated with respect. I know we're a long way off from this in the world right now, but I think as a whole people are learning that this is the way we need to be, for our own sake.