Israeli teens murdered

[Hezam]

I am not totally sure what you mean there Hezam. Arab rule? I am sure I speak for the rest of us here when I say that sounds bad. So does European rule. Again, I think I speak for the rest of us here when I say we can only agree to democratic rule in principle (though fact is in reality we settle for far less).

democratic, that's what i should've said, Thanks for comment.

Sounds better, but it still sounds like submission rather than democracy, or even a constitutional republic. Whoever the populace of Israel/Palestine is in the future, they should all be equals and their nation should be armed the same as everyone else, or NO ONE else.

Not speaking about nukes though. Those need to go.

The conflict is not Israeli/Palestinian, It's Muslim/Jews because of the sacred places in Palestine for Muslims & christians, Now it's palestinian/Israeli conflict as the media is trying to picture it.

 

[alecgraham]

Hezam, as you and I have discussed, Jews once thrived in Arab lands. But, it's been a long time since they fled. I can't imagine Jews living under Arab rule ever again. In Iraq? Yemen? Morocco? Saudi Arabia? Not gonna happen.

 

[Hezam]

Hezam, as you and I have discussed, Jews once thrived in Arab lands. But, it's been a long time since they fled. I can't imagine Jews living under Arab rule ever again. In Iraq? Yemen? Morocco? Saudi Arabia? Not gonna happen.

The Colonial destoryed the whole region, extracted jews and divided the people then installed dictators, Ask the Arab immigrants "Would you go back to live permanently in your homeland ?" they will answer you "HelI no!"
And Khazarian jews (zionists) ruined Sephardics' life by draging them to israel to share the crimes and blame, As you might know Ashkenazis look down to Sephardics even in the so called "the only democratic nation" in the M.E ,
Why can't sephardic jews become prime minister of Israel ?
i feel so sorry for the our Arab jews who have been forced to leave home.
Personally i would proudly host Yemeni jews if they decide to leave Palestine, i hope they do but sadly they will be hunted by the zionist organizations and some scum ignorant people.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

The conflict is not Israeli/Palestinian, It's Muslim/Jews

Well I always considered it to be both, and that being a major reason why its all so complicated.

 

[Hezam]

Well I always considered it to be both, and that being a major reason why its all so complicated.

This is the Aqsa mosque:

The israeli gov is still digging tunnels under it, they said that Solomons Temple is under the Aqsa mosque and they want to replace it with Solomon's temple:

The Aqsa mosue in Jerusalem is the third most holy Muslim place after Makkah and almadinah, Israel is leading the world to the worst world war.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

Thanks Hezam. I had heard about that project but I had trouble finding information.

Of course, yes, that is a religious aspect of the conflict, but there are political aspects also is all I am saying. Even if Israelis and Palestinians all decided to become atheists, I am sure the conflict would remain for at least a few decades longer.

Anyway, unbelievable action by Israel. But I am sure we will get hear again very soon about how much Israel wants peace.

 

[alecgraham]

"Had the Arabs not provoked the war of 1967, Israel would never have gone to war to take the Old City. But they did provoke the war, and their loss of Jerusalem was the price of that .. decision.

The first action the Israelis took in Jerusalem was to raze the small Arab neighborhood at the foot of the Western Wall, so as to enable hundreds of thousands of Jews to visit the sole remnant of the Temple complex. The second thing they did was to return civilian control of the Temple Mount* itself to the Muslim waqf (religious endowment).

This was a sign of respect that no one in the world could have foreced upon them, nor had anyone called for it...
Certainly no credit was given for it, as if it were the most natural thing in the world for a nation that has just won a defensive war to hand over the holiest place in the world to the enemies who have just tried to destroy it."

--Lozowick, p142

*Also the site of the Al Aqsa mosque that Hezam is writing about.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

*Also the site of the Al Aqsa mosque that Hezam is writing about.

Okay, but what about today?

The second thing they did was to return civilian control of the Temple Mount* itself to the Muslim waqf (religious endowment).

Do they still have control? Or is what is being done today against their will?

 

[Mark of Zorro]

Had the Arabs not provoked the war of 1967, Israel would never have gone to war to take the Old City.

Not really fair to lump the Palestinians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians into one block. Israel, then, as now, took disproportional actions toward Palestinian attacks and thereby provoked the other groups. There was plenty of blame to go around.

a nation that has just won a defensive war

It was neither purely defensive or offensive. It had elements of both. Anyone saying otherwise is in denial or ignorance about something.

The first action the Israelis took in Jerusalem was to raze the small Arab neighborhood at the foot of the Western Wall,

Disgusting.

Certainly no credit was given for it, as if it were the most natural thing in the world for a nation that has just won a defensive war to hand over the holiest place in the world to the enemies who have just tried to destroy it."

I burn your house. Sorry. Here is a thousand dollars. Now piss off....and don't forget how nice I was.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

The israeli gov is still digging tunnels under it, they said that Solomons Temple is under the Aqsa mosque and they want to replace it with Solomon's temple:

I can find no proof about the tunnels or the claim that there is plan to rebuild Solomon's temple.

 

[Hezam]

"Had the Arabs not provoked the war of 1967, Israel would never have gone to war to take the Old City. But they did provoke the war, and their loss of Jerusalem was the price of that .. decision.

The first action the Israelis took in Jerusalem was to raze the small Arab neighborhood at the foot of the Western Wall, so as to enable hundreds of thousands of Jews to visit the sole remnant of the Temple complex. The second thing they did was to return civilian control of the Temple Mount* itself to the Muslim waqf (religious endowment).

This was a sign of respect that no one in the world could have foreced upon them, nor had anyone called for it...
Certainly no credit was given for it, as if it were the most natural thing in the world for a nation that has just won a defensive war to hand over the holiest place in the world to the enemies who have just tried to destroy it."

--Lozowick, p142

*Also the site of the Al Aqsa mosque that Hezam is writing about.

It has nothing to do with 1967 war or any war, It's a talmudic orders.

 

[Hezam]

I can find no proof about the tunnels or the claim that there is plan to rebuild Solomon's temple.

Please type on google " Tunnels under temple mount " ...i'm shocked because it's very easy to find pictures of the tunnels and the plans on google !
What result do you get when googling 'temple mount' ?

cheers

 

[alecgraham]

It has nothing to do with 1967 war or any war, It's a talmudic orders.

The Talmud is one of the more abused (by non-Jews) texts that people like to make up stuff about. It's really a bunch of ethics, laws and recorded discussions by a large array of thinkers. But, on the Internet you will find any kind of dastardly mission bandied about and attributed to the Jews: to cheat, steal from, rape and kill non-Jews. Of course it's all bunk. But impressionable minds read these crazy things, and they know there is this Jewish book called the Talmud, so hey it must be true. The Jews are trying to do these terrible things and they even wrote it in their secret little playbook for all the world to see!

 

[alecgraham]

P.S.
History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian

(Whatever link appears above, it should read:
SMITHSONIAN: What is Beneath the Temple Mount?
As Israeli archaeologists recover artifacts from the religious site, ancient history inflames modern-day political tensions

wikipedia:
Excavations at the Temple Mount - Wikipedia

 

[Hezam]

The Talmud is one of the more abused (by non-Jews) texts that people like to make up stuff about. It's really a bunch of ethics, laws and recorded discussions by a large array of thinkers. But, on the Internet you will find any kind of dastardly mission bandied about and attributed to the Jews: to cheat, steal from, rape and kill non-Jews. Of course it's all bunk. But impressionable minds read these crazy things, and they know there is this Jewish book called the Talmud, so hey it must be true. The Jews are trying to do these terrible things and they even wrote it in their secret little playbook for all the world to see!

I don't care what the Talmud teachs as long as it keeps in paper not action on the ground, It's their belief, But when it becomes action on the ground i will not say ' It could be another reason ' many if not all Rabbis are calling for killing all Palestinians and Arab and they start the call with " Kill their kids, women,.." and ends with "even their animals".
As i said i would not care as long as it doesn't take action........

 

[alecgraham]

Hezam, if I could, I would banish the fervently religious haters of Arabs if I could. They are as bad as the extremists on the Muslim side, and I am embarrassed by them. Again, though, it's got nothing to do with the Talmud, which is full of moral teachings.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

Please type on google " Tunnels under temple mount " ...i'm shocked because it's very easy to find pictures of the tunnels and the plans on google !
What result do you get when googling 'temple mount' ?

cheers

I thought you meant tunnels directly beneath the Asqa Mosque. I find accusations that there are but they don't seem credible. Sure, there are several tunnels around the Temple Mount in the vicinity of the Asqa Mosque.

But the excavations are bad enough. They are unnecessary and causing structural damage to buildings above. I have not read about structural damage to the Asqa Mosque, but the risk is too great even without tunnels directly beneath.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

The latest news about the progress in the case of the teens.

Israel says close to cracking Hamas cell behind teens' slaying

And they still claim Hamas claimed responsibility. (sigh)

"Hamas last month acknowledged responsibility."

No they didn't. But the press keeps saying it anyway.

This is also interesting:

The official said the Shin Bet believed Aysha and Kawasme, posing as Israeli motorists, planned to take two live captives, but were surprised when the three youths got into their car at a hitch-hiking station in the West Bank. That raised the possibility that the kidnappers then panicked and opened fire.

The FBI, which helped the Israeli probe because Fraenkel also held U.S. citizenship, assessed in July that the captors intended to kill the three from the outset, using a silenced pistol to shoot them repeatedly in the car.