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How does one grow to love Japan?

it is no problem here because of less opportunity...

It's no problem to you, because you're never the target of it.

It isn't a big problem to Japanese society, because foreigners are such a tiny percentage of the population.

It is a problem to the individual foreigners who are the victims of Japanese discrimination.
 
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Nice Gaijin is wise. I subscribe to that point of view. Although I have never been to Japan, discrimination has plagued me all my life because I come from a mixed family - my mother is Latvian (blonde) and my father is from Sierra-Leone (dark skinned). Hence, I am not accepted in either society and called names (similar to "gaijin" in both). I was born and raised in Europe, but Latvia is not London, the country has been cut off from the world by communism for a long time and so ignorance and racism have flourished. I have a Latvian passport, am fluent in the local languages and am 2m tall, so needless to say I don't have to deal with direct confrontations on a daily basis, however, weaker looking people who look different from the "Arian ideal" suffer a lot from fascist-like abuse here as they do in all other secluded countries.
My advice to you is this: be proud of who you are. Harden your hide and do what the Japanese do: smile and stay polite. That is not to say "roll over and take it", that is to say "respond in a manner they will understand and which will make them feel ashamed and understand that they have 'lost face'". For contrast, in Europe and America the social code is much more direct - you say/show what you mean, if you resonate physical and mental power, racist "people" will keep away. So I live here like a lion amongst hyenas, knowing that once I show the slightest weakness, I will have problems. I deal with the situation in a way that the locals are able to comprehend and react in the way I want them to - rather than go with my first instinct. In Japan social manerisms are much more subtle than in EU or USA, people seldom say directly what they mean, (only maybe to a gaijin who is 'incapable of understanding a more subtle approach to communication'), so show them that you understand how their society works and that presently you are part of it. Do it with your actions and people will come to accept you. The downside of course is that it may take you 5-20 years to build a fraction of the respect that is the birthright of every Japanese in this society and it can all be shattered with a single misstep. So essentially, you have to decide: a) do you feel Japanese at heart or will you just be wearing a mask (if so, this will be a very tedious road to take) and b) is it worth it? These are questions only you can answer.

Ben W Bell said in the first reply to your message
To be fair if you have chosen to reside in a country you have to abide by it's laws and customs. You do have the choice of not living there if you so desire.
Yes AND NO. There is no need to run back home with your tail between your legs - you have a right to be yourself! They have no law against racism, but I believe that they also do not have a law FOR (to promote) racism. Your reaction is what will tell the aggressor if you are a true 'gaijin' or if he has made an embarrassing mistake. So I suggest you act in a constructive way that will make them THINK. Also, remember: you know who you are, you do not need the approval of others (I hope?) Stay positive, and goodluck to you!
 

(1) It's the opposition for me,as I've recently gained in-depth grasp of Japanese culture and Japanese the more I like them as a people in terms of highly self-disciplined,duty and loyalty,ethnocentric,plus some other desirable cultural traits oppose to I now find Korea distasteful and have strong dislikes toward Koreans on more I've discovered the ugly facts about them for I once thought they're likable and rational whereas I was un-preparely disappointed.

(2) This stereotype is only partly true,certain segments of mainland Chinese population are indeed indoctrinated to some extent with average younger generation of non-revolutionary peasant class background are not Communized at all.
 
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Meh, oneday Japan will find its place in the universe, and relise us "gaijin" arent so different after all.

The best thing to do is stick with it, and change Japanese mnids, remember theres only a relatively few of us so, it takes time to change the mind of so many Japanese in their own country.

And at the end of the day, if its too much, there's always good old home.
 
Very interesting thread. Having been here in the early 1990's and now back in the mid 2000's I've seen a lot of change here. I married a Japanese (I'm American) and her family was horified. However they have seen I have taken very good care of my darling and her sister now envies her.

But I was also clear from the very beginning, that I'll never make Japan my permanant home. We are back for one more tour here, and I like Japan -- but unlike the person who started this thread, I have no intent or reason to "love" this country.

Anywhere I go I hold my head up and I don't give a dang if someone like me or not. Maybe that's why I've never had a problem with the obvious racisim. But one person up here said some lady spit on him? Now that is beyond the pale. I'd have a problem with that and if some lady spit on me I defiantely put a luggie back on them. And if some dude spit on me we'd have a fight without a doubt.

As long as nobody touch me, I don't care what they think or say. And I love staring back at peeps if they staring at me. Just my two yen worth. Don't have to love it here but that doesn't mean you need to hate it either...
 
I can't help but wonder where the OP has wandered off to....
 
I don't know when you are refering to, but at least in Santa Cruz, and I think if not all of California, people can not by law discriminate even simply for the way you dress or look like...

That is to say, in Santa Cruz, people were pierced, had blue hair, ectetera, and were working at any of the regular grocery stores, all over. I'm going to wager you were not racially discriminated against.
 
Not all Japanese are prejudiced. Some have managed to do some world travel on their own (or through their occupations) and have a broader sense of what other peoples and cultures are.
Yeah, and not all French people drink wine... That's a powerful argument.
 
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(1) It's the opposition for me,as I've recently gained in-depth grasp of Japanese culture and Japanese the more I like them as a people in terms of highly self-disciplined,duty and loyalty,ethnocentric...

I already knew that the Japanese were disciplined, hard-working, loyal to their company, etc. This is what you read in every (Western) book about Japan. It's all the bad aspects which I discovered while in Japan.
 
Well,it's never fun being a " minority " in any country unless you're the governing overlords.
This sums up the thread on the realistic side.

Unless you forget about the fact that you're intrinsically different, it's difficult to ignore the shortcomings of being a foreigner and minority in a foreign country.

Being a minority race in foreign countries could lead one to experience unpleasant racist encounters - in addition to feeling excluded, being 'non-mainstream' there, portrayed unfairly by society and media, treated unfairly in workplaces etc. This stuff can be demoralizing and can get to you in the long term.

Of course, it depends also on the individual's character and what s/he expects of society.

Those who don't give a damn about things around them or can ignore them well in everyday life without truly affecting them personally (very difficult I would think) would find it a lot better.

The only way to truly love a foreign place is to completely assimilate into it and really call it home. That way, you have no 'escape' and you begin to treat yourself as a native local despite all else, after which you can begin to develop a strong bond with the country and its society.
 
I don't know when you are refering to.

That is to say,in Santa Cruz, people were pierced, had blue hair, ectetera, and were working at any of the regular grocery stores,all over.I'm going to wager you were not racially discriminated against.

I grew up during the decade in northern California ( despite sparsely visible Asian population ) wasn't ready for Oriental faces working at America's fast food chains,me think.I was a bit dramatized my summer job hunt encounter to set a parallel example in previous post.

Well,Santa Cruz is a layback liberal-hippie coastal California beach town 1 and 1/2 hours drive from my residence,anything goes is way of life down there with well-known " lesbian " bars.
 
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In Japan you can find a lot of curiosity and genuine interest in other countries and cultures.

I think so too.

My limited personal contacts with Japanese in real life and in cyberspace led me conclude they do know much more about other Asian nationalities with very little to zero direct contacts,great majority ordinary Chinese and Koreans are unawared of this fact for we're told Japanese willfully exclude themself from " Asian " group.

They must have drawn their knowledge from Japanese mass media outlets.
 

There is some truth in the last sentence. I have met some Japanese who did not consider Japan as part of Asia. In their mind there were 5 continents + Japan !
 
There is some truth in the last sentence. I have met some Japanese who did not consider Japan as part of Asia. In their mind there were 5 continents + Japan !

That's fruition of Fukuzawa Yukichi's " LEAVE Asia ENTER Europe " concept,there are Japanese individuals feel discomfort whenever Korean or Chinese person brings up his name.
 
" LEAVE Asia ENTER Europe " concept,there are Japanese individuals feel discomfort whenever Korean or Chinese person brings up his name.
Was the purpose of Japan forgotten before war?
I think japan gave up that
 
There is some truth in the last sentence. I have met some Japanese who did not consider Japan as part of Asia. In their mind there were 5 continents + Japan !

This is absolutely true! I always say that there is Japan and the rest of the world...No one can be Japanese and no one will ever be fully accepted by the Japanese society. As of my experience, you will always be a gaijin...

How do you grow to love Japan?

Maybe, as many people do, just pretend that Japan is paradise on earth and everything is fabulous, Japanese are friendly and nice etc. In other words lie to yourself...
This is the way I see it; the more you get involved with the locals the more you realise they will never accept you. Living with the hope that Japan will change one day is just immature...
 
Sorry I was tired when I wrote. I meant 'wine', not one.

Did you have too much wine?

You didn't seem to focus on my second sentence in my post that your replied to (as you said, you were tired). If a Japanese person traveled the world himself/herself, then they would have the interactive experience (and therefore, familiarity) with foreigners and their ways. The result could be less prejudice (or it could cause more if they had a bad experience with them). It could cut both ways.
 
"East is East......."

One does not grow to love Japan. You either like it or you don't. It's in you or it's not. Plain and simple. Japan grows on you, not the other way around.

This may rub some the wrong way, but it is how I've always felt. I am always a little perplexed at why foreigners who come to Japan, a sovereign country in it's own right with it's own unique culture and customs, demand that Japan change their thousand plus years culture to suit their own thinking and culture.

To me it's absurd and arrogant. It is the product and thinking of a people who have been taught all their lives that their own culture and way of thinking is far superior to any of those on planet earth and that they are within their "rights" to demand that the country they decide to reside in change to suit what they are accustomed to so that they may not feel uncomfortable. But after living a while in Japan they will claim that the Japanese feel that they are far superior to other cultures and that this is wrong. Tell me, what country or culture does not feel that they themselves are far superior to others?

It's almost like being an invited guest at my house for a few weeks and demanding that I change the way I have lived all these years because you are used to living a different way or you will leave and/or refuse to come back. I say, "Good riddance," as you are a guest in my house ("country") and if you don't like it then leave and don't come back. I'm not going to change my way of living to suit you and how dare anyone demand that I do so. I would never demand that you change your way of life to suit my needs if I were a guest at your house for a few months nor would I expect you to. Well, sorry to disappoint you (not the OP). You are a guest in their house (country) and you must and should abide by their laws and customs no matter how "barbaric" they may seem to you. If discrimination towards outsiders is the norm then you either get used to it or you pack up and go home if you disagree with it and don't like it.

If you are thick-skinned and can understand the fact that you are in a foreign country and not your own then you may be able to survive there. If you are too thin-skinned to take a little ribbing from kids or the fact that you may get turned down for an apartment here and there, or that you will be asked for your gaijin card on a few occassions, or will not get that job, then you best turn tail and go home because Japan (and I'm sure other countries as well) is not for you and you will probably never be happy there. In fact, you will probably come to despise the country and leave with a bitter taste in your mouth only to bad mouth Japan on forums and BB's in the future.

Japan not only discriminates against foreigners, but they also discriminate against other Japanese as well. There are signs in bars and onsens that forbid anyone wearing a tatoo from entering. A Japanese landlord may refuse to rent his apartment to another Japanese just because he looks like a gangster, or has spiked hair and a ring or two on his/her face, or are too young, or is a college student. According to what I've discovered they base their refusals on personal experience. Granted, not all are trouble makers, but their own experience tells them the odds are that they'll experience what they have in the past.

Are they wrong? I think not because it is their land and their house/apartment, store, bar, etc, and who is to tell them who they should rent to and who they can't or should allow in? Why should a foreigner like myself demand that a Japanese rent me their apartment just because I am American and we don't do that in our country? Especially when their own experience tells them that many foreigners do not abide by Japanese customs, are noisy and dirty, wear shoes on tatami mats and generally do not abide by Japanese customs? It is those few foreigners who mess it up for all of us. But I completely understand the landlord's thinking. Also, I know that if I persevere I will eventually find an apartment or house that will be rented to me shortly. And, if I abide by their customs and don't trash the place or disturb the wa of the area, then the owner will readily rent to other foreigners in the future.

One must remember that Japan is not a melting pot of different races and cultures like Europe and America so they may not understand, or even care, why we call them bigots. I believe England was forced to take in Muslims, among others, and change their laws because they owned and dominated those countries. The Muslims and Indians, etc. were British subjects and could easily move to England. Therefore, England HAD to change their laws to accommodate what many saw as foreigners but technically weren't.

Japan, on the other hand, is a homogenous culture and it may take even more years for them to come around to the thinking of the "New World Order" with no borders and culture and accept foreigners with no discrimination. However, I do not think that will happen in my lifetime or two lifetimes for that matter.

Even Maciamo stated in another thread that in Brussels there are signs on some establishments refusing entry to Japanese only, because many of them are unrulely. And I think he finds this acceptable. Are the Japanese demanding that Brussels change their laws and customs? Are they making a big stink about it? Are any Japanese saying that people in Brussels are bigots? Shouldn't people protest this discrimination as others are demanding of Japan? You will find discrimination against some people in every country in the world regardless of their laws, not just in Japan as some would have you believe.

Therefore, in order to be happy in Japan I feel one has to come to terms with the customs and culture and accept it for what it is while enjoying the many other aspects of Japan as the OP and others have pointed out. Sure they are bigoted in ways and discriminate against foreigners, as well as Chinese and Koreans born there. I don't deny that, but Japan will change on her terms not ours, and it is not up to us to change her. Sure, we may try, and many have tried over the past 50 years, but things are slow to change there. They are a bit better than in the past, but not by much. Japan will change when the Japanese people, including Koreans and Chinese born there, demand it and not before.

Rudyard Kipling once said, "East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet." If you can not understand this than it's best you probably stay or go home lest you become frustrated and irritated with a country and culture that is not your own.

IMO the only way to be happy in Japan is, not to turn a blind eye and pretend discrimination doesn't exist, but to accept the fact that it does and that it is a foreign culture. Accept it for what it is. Warts and all. As others have stated, the positives still far outweigh the negatives for some and it can be a very enjoyable, rewarding place to live if one comes to terms with it.
 
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