How do you know... ON/KUN and beyond

[Putrefaction]

Right, I thought as much (aida = interval, or during/duration).

Also, I guess after finishing Genki I, it's like scratching the bottom-most 1% of Japanese. I looked at Chapter 23 and my god, there's so much more to go, and apparently Genki II is, on a scale of 1-10, 3!

 

[aardwolf]

You use any other ones?

Yeah, i use a web app for my SRS anki. If you dont know what an SRS you can probably google it and find out pretty fast
this guy recommends it
but not any other appstore apps, except stitcher radio for japanese podcasts to just listen to when im studying ><

also, kanjipop by limasky looks fun, do you have it?

 

[Putrefaction]

I'm not sure if it's worth the money, to be honest. Kanji, the 99c one is definitely worth it, the iKanji for 9.99 is not too useful for me at this point but it provides a lot of compounds and sometimes sentences. Kanjipop seems to be the kiddy version of that.

BTW, I got work so I will reply to your message after if I have any energy left.

 

[aardwolf]

oh nice, well i think i have enough on my phone to keep me busy

kanjipop, kiddish?
i thought it looked like a fun little game, are we thinking of the same thing?
it doesnt give anything but readings, and you have to select the right kanji out of a group of 25 or something, and do it till all the kanji are done.. the design looks very nice to me too.

okay

edit:

theres a new kanji app that looks pretty good, its called iKanji Touch
the design looks slick. dont have the money to spend for it but, if you do get it, let me know how it is.

 

[Putrefaction]

I think that's the one I have, 9.99 right? I'll post screenshots of it tomorrow. If it is the one I'm thinking of, it has Kanji separated by both Grade and JLPT, pretty useful. Contains a "Teach Me" mode: readings (ALL) drawing, compounds, and "fill in", as in ___ko = school, put the Kanji in with a compound. All in all, like I said its good, worth the money? I'd much prefer if it was 5.99, especially since their drawings are not easy for the left hand.

Take a few shots of Kanji pop, (power + home button, screen should flash) and post'em here or on my visitor messages. Speaking of visitor messages, it's time to read yours and completely fail. And speaking of failing, I've forgotten a lot of Japanese as I've got work for 8 days in a row, forgotten Pharm. Calc, forgotten Anatomy....so much...

 

[aardwolf]

I think that's the one I have, 9.99 right? I'll post screenshots of it tomorrow. If it is the one I'm thinking of, it has Kanji separated by both Grade and JLPT, pretty useful. Contains a "Teach Me" mode: readings (ALL) drawing, compounds, and "fill in", as in ___ko = school, put the Kanji in with a compound. All in all, like I said its good, worth the money? I'd much prefer if it was 5.99, especially since their drawings are not easy for the left hand.

Take a few shots of Kanji pop, (power + home button, screen should flash) and post'em here or on my visitor messages. Speaking of visitor messages, it's time to read yours and completely fail. And speaking of failing, I've forgotten a lot of Japanese as I've got work for 8 days in a row, forgotten Pharm. Calc, forgotten Anatomy....so much...

oh yeah, thats it. it looks nice. cool! i look forward to the screenshots

ahah i dont own it >< i would buy it but i've only got 1.96 (3 MORE CENTS... fail)
heres the itunes address though. http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=295235915&mt=8

oh jeeez, 窶督ｳ窶板昶?堋ｵ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堙??堙ｦ窶堙

 

[Putrefaction]

True, I guess it's like a more interactive Kanji from Lima. Which is nice, but not really super worth it. That SRS system you were talking about, with the flashcards, iKanji has it.

Here are some imageshack pics, because apparently Photobucket wont take PNG's?

The red "one" is the SRS-ish flash system.

 

[aardwolf]

yeah thats the one, it looks really good.
can you make your own sets?

 

[Putrefaction]

Unlike Kanji from Lima, you can't as far as I can tell, it is JLPT and Grade so it's locked in. It comes with "revision sets" and stuff, its clear-able (deletable) but nothing solid.

 

[aardwolf]

oh nice, oh well, im not sure if getting it would help me that much, but if theres a price drop i might,

hey, im not sure if you would know, but anyone reading this thread:

On the iphone/ipod we have traditional chinese and simplified chinese handwriting (you write on the screen and it gives you some kanji to choose from), there is no japanese handwriting recognition yet. Do you know which set is closer to japanese?

窶堙ｦ窶堙ｫ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堙仰 :sorry:

 

[Putrefaction]

It's pretty crappy, to be honest. I've drawn CLEAR CUT Kanji and it won't take, sometimes I'll seizure-draw and it'll come up as the first response. There's no Japanese recognition because when you type the kana, the Kanji usually comes up (hit arrow for more options) and it usually has it on there, to be honest. It's helped with my readings (I always did yesterday is kino, not kinou). I do use traditional, I'd think simplified would work better. I'll try it, though I dont know any Chinese to compare it to Japanese.

BTW, spammed your wall with two messages.

Simple:

F A I L U R E I'm 100% sure anyone with any Japanese could recognize this.

Sloppier, better. Traditional.

Seizure. Traditional. Sure, third option, but better than no option. Imagine the 15+ stroke ones.

 

[aardwolf]

lol @ seizure drawing kanji
XD

yeah, i dont know any chinese either.

and yes, the same thing happens to me, i just randomly draw something on the screen, look for a kanji i recognize, try to draw it and then fail. i was wondering if its just cause my stroke order might be wrong?

i was gonna post some to try and see if theres a difference, but mine all look pretty much the same, even when im intentionally seizuredrawing.. Q _ Q

anyone who know a little chinese and japanese?..

 

[noraemon]

F A I L U R E I'm 100% sure anyone with any Japanese could recognize this.

Yes.
I think that all the Japanese can recognize it.
I am a Japanese.
You are good at writing a kanji.

An art to write a kanji is to write length and breadth in turn.
Let's write the line like a brick.
You must not hesitate.

 

[Putrefaction]

Thank you, though I don't understand the last part?

 

[aardwolf]

i think he means the 窶愿ｺpart of ﾅ椎ｽ

 

[noraemon]

Thank you, though I don't understand the last part?

The last part is a method to write a kanji well.
I wanted to tell it to write a kanji mightily.
If the line is not straight, the kanji looks unskilled.
Please write the line of the kanji without spending time at a dash.
If the line of the kanji is slowly written, the line doesn't become straight.
In Japan, The kanji that the child wrote is unskilled because the line cannot be written straight.
The kanji written in a straight line looks beautiful.

I'm sorry in poor English.

 

[Putrefaction]

No need to be sorry, I'm poor in Japanese I see what you're saying now, I'll try to write slower.
PS; congratulations on your orange belt, aard.

 

[aardwolf]

PS; congratulations on your orange belt, aard.

woah, i didnt even notice
thanks!

i guess that was my 100th?

 

[Putrefaction]

Yep, congratulations. I forget what your next one is, I think green. Oops, I think I can write that in Japanese.

Tsugi no "belt" o wazurete, midori no (da?) to omoimasu.

But that's probably wrong.

 

[noraemon]

Yep, congratulations. I forget what your next one is, I think green. Oops, I think I can write that in Japanese.

Tsugi no "belt" o wazurete, midori no (da?) to omoimasu.

But that's probably wrong.

I correct the Japanese.

次のベルトを忘れていました。次は緑色のベルトだと思います。
tsugi no "belt" wo wasureteimashita.tsugi wa midori(iro) no "belt" da to omoimasu.

私も頑張って、オレンジのベルトを取ろうと思います。
I make an effort, and I intend to acquire the belt of the orange.

 

[Putrefaction]

Thank you very much noreamon! Repped. I have this huge tendency to get tenses wrong. I have a question: Did I need the other belt? Could 緑色のだと思います work?

 

[noraemon]

Because you have a belt of the blue, I think that the green belt is not necessary.

The Japanese of "緑色のだと思います" understands a meaning definitely.

I'm sorry.
I did not understand intention of the questions well.
The English is difficult.

 

[noraemon]

Oh, I understood it.

>midori no (da?) to omoimasu.
Could 緑色のだと思います work?

Yes.
The meaning understands Even "緑色です" .
The meaning understands Even "緑色と思います" .

次のベルトを忘れていました。次は緑色です。・・・ok
次のベルトを忘れていました。次は緑色と思います。・・・ok

However, when "の/no" is applied, the Auxiliary verb of "だ/da" is needed.

 

[Ashikaga]

Because you have a belt of the blue, I think that the green belt is not necessary.
The Japanese of "窶氾篠色窶堙娯?堋ｾ窶堙?ｽv窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ" understands a meaning definitely.
I'm sorry.
I did not understand intention of the questions well.
The English is difficult.

I think he meant if it would have been OK to do away with ﾆ遅ﾆ停?ｹﾆ暖 in the second sentence.

 

[Putrefaction]

Yep. Don't worry noraemon, I ask scattered questions sometimes, ASHIKAGA got it right. I think your second post said that I would have gotten it right. Thank you both

Right now, I'm doing Chapter 14, just reading wise, have to do the end of 13 and the listening comp.