How do you know... ON/KUN and beyond

[LukeSettle]

も is a particle that means also.
as in
私も猫が好きです。
I, too, like cats.

もう is an adverb meaning already, among other common definitions.
so
もう食べましたか？
Have you already eaten?

 

[Glenn]

Bright day = tomorrow so was my sentence good except the ni?

What I typed is exactly what you wrote. I don't know what you mean by "except the ni."

 

[Putrefaction]

Well I actually wrote

Ashita Kyoto ni ikimasen. (Tomorrow I'm not going to Kyoto)

.

You wrote

明日京都に行きません means "I'm not going to Kyoto tomorrow."

. If I am right in assuming that the first two characters (bright day) means tomorrow, then without the ni, I guess I was right.

 

[Glenn]

I still don't see what you mean. 明日 means "tomorrow," yes. But still, what I wrote and what you wrote are exactly the same (aside from yours being in rômaji and mine being in kanji/kana). What ni are you talking about leaving out?

 

[Drew-san]

I just started learning the Kanji from Remembering the Kanji, so sorry if this is a stupid question. 明 means "bright" and 日"day", right? How does that make it tomorrow?

 

[Putrefaction]

I am blind. Sorry.

Er...this is the reason I am asking for ni.

I just started learning the Kanji from Remembering the Kanji, so sorry if this is a stupid question. 明 means "bright" and 日"day", right? How does that make it tomorrow?

Well I will dissect it for you using my retardando methods, but roll with it!

The kanji for Today comes from "now" and "day". Makes sense, right? Well, the kanji for Tomorrow comes from "bright" and "day". To your question, think of a bad day you've had...the next day is a relief, isn't it? It seems brighter than today...I'm horrible at this.

 

[Toritoribe]

Exactly, 窶督ｾ means "bright" as an adjective 窶督ｾ[窶堋?窶堋ｩ]窶堙ｩ窶堋｢, but also means 窶督ｾ[窶堋?]窶堋ｯ窶堙ｩ/窶督ｾ[窶堋?]窶堋ｩ窶堋ｷ "to dawn/break/be over" as a verb. So 窶督ｾ窶愿ｺ literally means "a day after the day breaks." Actually, 窶督ｾ[窶堋?]窶堋ｭ窶堙ｩ窶愿ｺ* is an old/literary saying of ﾅｽﾅｸ窶堙娯?愿ｺ "the next day."
*窶督ｾ[窶堋?]窶堋ｭ窶堙ｩ is the archaic form of 窶督ｾ[窶堋?]窶堋ｯ窶堙ｩ.

The word 窶堋?窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽ/窶堋?窶堋ｷ, not the kanji 窶督ｾ窶愿ｺ, has another origin, though.

hope this helps

 

[Putrefaction]

It helps, any chance you want to answer the question about ni?

Since this activity is in relation to today I'm not sure if I should say ashita kyoto ni ikimasen or just without the ni.

 

[Toritoribe]

As textbook you're using explains, or as Glenn-san repeatedly pointed out, you don't need the particle "ni" with 窶督ｾ窶愿ｺ.

You do not use the particle 窶堙 with (1) time expressions defined relative to the present moment, such as "today" and "tomorrow"

This is the explanation for 窶堙 just after 窶督ｾ窶愿ｺ, not for 窶堙 after the place 窶ｹﾅｾ窶徭.

ﾂ≫?ｺ窶督ｾ窶愿ｺ窶ｹﾅｾ窶徭窶堙可行窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。
ﾂ×窶督ｾ窶愿ｺ窶堙閏/COLOR]窶ｹﾅｾ窶徭窶堙可行窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。
ﾂ×窶督ｾ窶愿ｺ窶ｹﾅｾ窶徭ﾂ行窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。(of course)

 

[Putrefaction]

Man, I really feel retarded lol.

But it says you do NOT use.

?

Why is it using it there?

Also why is your last one not acceptable? Ashita Tokyo ikimasen should make sense then.

 

[Glenn]

That's exactly the same as the sentence you originally posted, except it has 私は at the beginning. に marks destination, so you place it after the place you're headed (in this case 京都). You don't place it after temporal nouns, such as あした.

あした東京行く might be acceptable colloquially or in some dialects, but it's not really Standard Japanese (although Toritoribe's comments make me think it's just not acceptable.... well, to him, anyway).

Here's the lowdown, in case it wasn't clear from the way it's been worded to this point: あしたに -- no; 京都に -- necessary (and it doesn't matter if there's a time word in there: you still have to mark it with に to show it's the destination).

 

[Toritoribe]

Ah, right, at least for me, that sentence sounds awkward except used as the interrogative 明日京都行く？/行きません？
But anyway, you need に or ocasionally へ after 京都 in proper grammar.

 

[Putrefaction]

に marks destination, so you place it after the place you're headed (in this case 京都). You don't place it after temporal nouns, such as あした.

BINGO! Thanks. I was just being stupid.

Hey Glenn san, the thing above your donator status, does that say, "kangaejo"? As in thinking throughout?

 

[Glenn]

かんがえちゅう, as in "thinking (about it)." Where'd you get じょ(う)? A mistake for じゅう (ぢゅう), perhaps?

 

[Putrefaction]

Oops! I forgot that 中 was (ON) CHU (kun) naka, ju. As you can see I'm still having trouble with the topic's original post!

 

[Glenn]

It's チュウ, ヂュウ (ジュウ), なか. I.e., じゅう is also an on reading.

 

[Putrefaction]

Oh. I'm not familiar with ヂ to be honest. Oh i see it's ji. I didn't know ju is an on reading as well.

 

[Glenn]

Interestingly, Kanjigen (漢字源) doesn't give ヂュウ・ジュウ as a reading for 中. I guess it's because they figure it's just a voicing of チュウ (which is shown clearly in ヂュウ, but not ジュウ).

 

[Putrefaction]

Oh that's weird. I've never seen ヂ though before, is it a common character? I thought I knew all hira/kata characters...

 

[Toritoribe]

Oops! I forgot that 中 was (ON) CHU (kun) naka, ju. As you can see I'm still having trouble with the topic's original post!

To be exact, it's chuu[ちゅう]/juu[じゅう], not chu[ちゅ]/ju[じゅ].

Oh that's weird. I've never seen ヂ though before, is it a common character? I thought I knew all hira/kata characters...

ぢ/ヂ is a historical kana usage, and is mostly replaced by じ/ジ in modern kana usage except in some specific case like 鼻血[はなぢ], 縮む[ちぢむ].

新字源 also gives only チュウ and なか.

 

[Putrefaction]

I think that is ShinJi...something. Is that Gen, source?

 

[Glenn]

I think that is ShinJi...something. Is that Gen, source?

Yes: Shinjigen is the name of a character dictionary, like Kanjigen.

ﾂ新ﾅｽﾅ｡ﾅ陳ｹ

 

[Putrefaction]

ah, i didn't recognize the last character, im used to 元 and 原 being source.

im going to digest the vocabulary more and then go on, i am up to 350 kanji!

 

[Putrefaction]

How in the hell is this souvenir? The hiragana makes 0 sense, by the way to me, the first kanji is Do, earth, but in hiragana it says mya, and the last one is san/u(mu), childbirth. how is it ge.

 

[Amigo]

That's what one would call "irregular readings". That's all.

There can be "irregular things" as well from the general points.