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How do you know... ON/KUN and beyond

Hmm...well, I'm still not getting it but I do understand the sentence, if you know what I mean. I'm doing Lesson 15 now, and I think it's in there because I saw it in the opening dialogue!


Boom!

That last example seems awefully familiar, I think Elizabeth wrote one and I was extremely confused.
 
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Putrefaction said:
Hmm...well, I'm still not getting it but I do understand the sentence, if you know what I mean. I'm doing Lesson 15 now, and I think it's in there because I saw it in the opening dialogue!
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Yeah, just like you would in English.

And not only this. There are various tricks to get around Something "Made you" or "makes you" in Japanese. It really is unnatural translated literally.
 
So much, I know, haha.

Can you do me a small favor? Can you explain -te (another verb) forms to me? For example, from the other page,
いいえ、辛過ぎて食べられませんでした。
Once again, I understand the sentence as I connect the dots, but I don't get it. Based on other -te sentences I'd think this was a connecting, as "tegami o kaite, bangouhan o tabemashita" = wrote a letter, and ate dinner" but I'm not sure. Is this following the same thing? I tried to translate literally and I got: "hot too much and could not eat", which...I guess does make sense.

Can you give me a small practice one, assuming I'm right, to make out?
 
Search on "te" "weak" "casual" "because" and see if something doesn't come up. Without emphasizing "because," but sort of like "It was too hot, so I didn't eat it" or "It was too hot for me to eat."
 
The last two you put make good sense to me. I found these topics:

te form of verb+kimasu
-te oku, -mashou/ou

I'm also doing -te oku in Genki 15, so it works out well. If "itte kimasu" means go and come back I think I can understand how the -te [verb] works, at least the "sugite [verb]" ones.

PaulTB said: te-form verbから in general means 'after verbing'.
bangohan o tabete kara, nemasu tsumori.

Does this sentence work out? I keep thinking it's ...tabete no ato, ... but who knows, I could be right.
 
The basic function of 窶堙 is to connect verbs or verb phrases A 窶堙≫?堙? B with A normally preceeding B in time, although in some cases they are simultaneous.

The 窶ｰﾃ溪?堋ｬ窶堙?。ﾂ。ﾂ。sentence is a little different. In this case, you're dealing with an idiomatic use of the form to indicate a cause, excuse, reason etc for the statement immediately following. And because the description is implicit, it is softer or less assertive than 窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧﾂ・窶堙娯?堙 . Very useful when you need to be not so direct. . The difference in English :

窶愿ｯ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｷ窶堋ｬ窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙?、ﾂ出窶藩??堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙ｦﾂ。 Because it was too difficult, I couldn't do it.

窶愿ｯ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｷ窶堋ｬ窶堙?、ﾂ出窶藩??堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽﾂ。 It was too difficult for me to do. (it was so difficult, I wasn't able to do it).
 
Hmm. Well, I read until Chapter 18 (just reading, not actually doing or absorbing) and a lot of stuff they put in there are things I've encountered since my first post here! It's pretty exciting to see that stuff. Such as of course, -te ageru / -te kureru.

Small question.


Let's say someone was talking about a movie they want to see.
If I said this, would it be okay? Do I need to put eiga after omoshiroi? Or, omoshiroi no to... ?
 
友達は、（わたしに)「その映画は面白い」と言っていた（と言った) is fine.
 
Putrefaction said:
bangohan o tabete kara, nemasu tsumori.

Does this sentence work out? I keep thinking it's ...tabete no ato, ... but who knows, I could be right.
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窶敕毒津､窶敕鯛?堙ｰﾂ食窶堙冷?堙??堋ｩ窶堙ｧﾂ、ﾂ寝窶堙ｩ窶堙や?堙?窶堙ｨﾂ（窶堙??堋ｷﾂ）ﾂ。
窶敕毒津､窶敕鯛?堙ｰﾂ食窶堙夕COLOR="Red"]窶堋ｽ[/COLOR]ﾅ津｣ﾂ（窶堙?）ﾂ、ﾂ寝窶堙ｩ窶堙や?堙?窶堙ｨﾂ（窶堙??堋ｷﾂ）ﾂ。

Both can work.

Putrefaction said:
Small question.


Let's say someone was talking about a movie they want to see.
If I said this, would it be okay? Do I need to put eiga after omoshiroi? Or, omoshiroi no to... ?
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The cupla 窶堋ｾ is also needed in that case.

窶認窶堋ｾ窶堋ｿ窶堋ｪ窶堋ｨ窶堙?窶堋ｵ窶堙ｫ窶堋｢窶ｰf窶ｰﾃｦ窶堋ｾ窶堙?陳ｾ窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堋ｽﾂ。
 
Hmm, I forgot that, thanks.

Another small one from "looks like":

よさそう。= looks good, right?
よくなそう？ Is this "doesn't look good"?
 
ﾂ?≫?堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋ｻ窶堋､ﾂ?

窶堋?窶堙懌?堙ｨ窶卍ｲﾅｽq窶堋ｪ窶堙ｦ窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堋ｾ窶堙ｦﾂ。ﾂ債｡窶愿ｺ窶堙最ｽdﾅｽ窶凪?堙可行窶堙≫?堙??堙坂?堋ｾ窶堙溪?堋ｾﾂ。
 
Hey guys! I haven't done much Japanese in the past week and I've suffered for it. Been working and doing...well, trying to do school stuff before the semester starts.

I'm doing Chapter 15 and I'll post the stuff I did. My phone's been acting weird so I'm double checking as I'm writing.

PS: I left rep for all the help on the previous page, I have to wait before spreading rep again to you Elizabeth
 
Here we go!

Same deal as last time, I wrote out the hiragana to make sure.
食べよう たべよう
誘おう さそおう
借りよう かりよう
読もう よもう
来よう こよう
入ろう はいろう
待とう まとう
急ごう いそごう
話そう はなそう
見よう みよう
書こう かこう
予約しよう よやくしよう


泳げる 泳ごう
読める 読もう
やめられる やめよう
みがける みがこう
売れる 売ろう
捨てられる 捨てよう
来られる 来よう
付き合える 付き合おう
卒業できる 卒業しよう


きょうこは運動しようと思っている。
山下先生は煙草をやめようと思っている。(This doesn't seem right, I think it's something else...give me another try if I'm wrong please.)
ともこはダイエットしようと思っている。
ションは(朝に)早く起きようと思っている。(I don't think I need the 朝 and I am more sure I don't need the に, but hopefully someone will correct me.)


保険に入ろうと思っている。
両親にお金を借りようと思っている。
熱いお風呂に入って早く寝ようと思っている。
新しい服を買おうと思っている。
花を送ろうと思っている。


ロバートは一日中日本語のテープを聞こうと思っています。
タケシは多い野菜を食べようと思っている。
スーは日本人の友達。。。？(I don't know how to say make friends, also, is it 日本の友達 or 日本人の友達?)
ケンは仕事をしてみようと思っている。(Doesn't seem right to me, but nothing else I can think of.)


もうすぐ、冬休みですね？
ええ、京都へ行こうと思っている。

そうですか。それは、楽しいね？
もうすぐ、夏休みですね？

ええ、一日中日本語を勉強しようと思っている。
そうですか。それは、難しいね？

もうすぐ、試験があるね？
ええ、勉強しようと思っている。

そうですか。それは、勉強したほうがいいね？
もうすぐ、レポートの締め切りですね？

ええ、書こうと思っている。
そうですか。それは、つまらないね？

もうすぐ、卒業式ですね？
ええ、両親に見に行こうと思っている。

そうですか。それは、いいね？
もうすぐ、お正月ですね？

ええ、酒を買おうと思っている。
そうですか。それは、飲まないほうがいいね？

もうすぐ、先生の結婚式ですね？
ええ、プレセントをあげようと思っている。

そうですか。それは、高いね？
もうすぐ、日本語のクラスの発表ですね？

ええ、先生に会おうと思っている。
そうですか。それは、楽しみにするね？


スペイン語を話せる友達。
彼女がくれた時計。
去年中国に行った友達。(Would it also be okay if I put itte imasu?)
毎日使うかばん。
時々行く喫茶店。
先週を見たお寺。(Do I need the を?)
ハワイで買ったシャツ。
今住んでいる家。


妹が作った料理はおいしくない。
My younger sister's cooking isn't delicious. (The cooking that my younger sister made isn't delicious.
温泉がある旅館に泊まりたいです。
I want to stay at a hotel which has a hot spring.
料理ができない人と結婚したくない。
I wont marry a person who cannot cook.
アメリカで勉強したことがある学生を知っているか。
Know a student who (experienced) studied in America?
日本の習慣についてよく知っている外国人を探している。
I'm looking for a person who is very knowledgable in Japanese customs.
去年の夏会った人にもう一度会いたいです。
The person I met last summer, I want to meet him again.

I highlighted this in blue because I don't understand three parts.
1) tsuite? What is this verb?
2) tsuite yoku shitteiru. I understand the last two, yoku shitteiru = much know, how does the entire sentence work? two -te's? I think we discussed this before but I don't know! I understand the sentence, however, pulling strings together. Thank you for answering in advance.


旅館を予約しておきる。
電車の時間を調べておきる。
新しい歌を練習しておきる。
いいレストランを探しておきる。
お金を下ろしておきる。


These are pictures taken at Nara.
This is a bus that goes to Tokyo.
This is a hotel I stayed at last year.


これは友達に借りた本だ。
これはよく聞いた"radio program"です。
これは誕生日に母がくれた指輪です。
ニューヨークに住んでいる友達だ。
卒業した学校です。
去年登った山だ。


東京大学を卒業した友達です。
ロシアに行った友達がいる。
昨日食べた料理はおいしかった。
最近買った辞書はよくない。
フランス語と中国語を話せる人に探している。
 

These look fine actually. Maybe the visual of seeing grammar corrections at once is helpful. But would you also mind breaking the rest of it down to 5-6 individual segments next time ? :sorry: At least for me better is smaller. I can make course corrections over time, not big changes all at once.
 
Oh sure, no problem. Thanks for grading so far.
 
Volitional & potential forms you wrote for "let's ~" are all correct.


ﾅｽR窶ｰﾂｺﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙坂?ｰﾅ停?伉絶?堙ｰ窶堙｢窶堙溪?堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ is correct as it is.
As for the last sentence, in the morning is 窶卍ｩ, it does not require the perticle 窶堙?


First 6 sentences are OK.

eat more vegetables is 窶堙?窶堙≫?堙??禿ｬﾂ催倪?堙ｰﾂ食窶堙冷?堙ｩ or 窶禿ｬﾂ催倪?堙ｰ窶堙?窶堙≫?堙?/U]ﾂ食窶堙冷?堙ｩ.
make lots of Japanese friends: 窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人窶堙娯?認窶堋ｾ窶堋ｿ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱﾂ催ｬ窶堙ｩ or 窶堋ｽ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙娯?愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人窶認窶堋ｾ窶堋ｿ窶堙ｰﾂ催ｬ窶堙ｩ.
Either 窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人 or 窶愿ｺ窶怒 will do for Japanese in this context, though perhaps 窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人窶堙 sounds more natural.
look for a job: ﾅｽdﾅｽ窶凪?堙ｰ窶儺窶堋ｷ


I think you got the basics right.
But I'd like to recommend you to use the polite form to make the style consistent.
Also use ﾂ。 not ﾂ？ unless it is a real question.ﾂ 窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｷ窶堋ｮﾂ〜窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙 is not a question but rather just asking agreement to the person one is talking to.


窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｷ窶堋ｮﾂ、窶恠窶ｹx窶堙昶?堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰。
窶堋ｦ窶堋ｦﾂ、窶ｹﾅｾ窶徭窶堙鳴行窶堋ｱ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙ЪCOLOR=red]窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ[/COLOR]ﾂ。
窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙債、ﾅ?y窶堋ｵ窶堙昶?堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰。

窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｷ窶堋ｮﾂ、窶ｰﾃ??ｹx窶堙昶?堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰。
窶堋ｦ窶堋ｦﾂ、ﾋ?ｪ窶愿ｺ窶吮??窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙債、窶佚･窶｢ﾃ鞘?堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰。

窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｷ窶堋ｮﾂ、ﾅｽﾅｽﾅ陳ｱ窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堙仰。
窶堋ｦ窶堋ｦﾂ、窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙債、窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堙吮?堋､窶堋ｪ窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙擬COLOR=red]ﾂ。[/COLOR]

The third sentence is a bit awkward though not really incorrect...


窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｷ窶堋ｮﾂ、ﾆ椎槌竹ﾂーﾆ暖窶堙娯?凖ｷ窶堙淞静倪?堙ｨ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰？
窶堋ｦ窶堋ｦﾂ、ﾂ鞘?倪?堋ｱ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙債、窶堙や?堙懌?堙ｧ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙擬COLOR=red]ﾂ。[/COLOR]

Grammatically 窶堙や?堙懌?堙ｧ窶堙遺?堋｢ is OK here but as a conversation...??
("Closing date for the report is coming soon."
"Yes, I'm going write it."
"Oh, I see. That's boring." ???)

窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｷ窶堋ｮﾂ、窶伉ｲ窶ｹﾃ?ｽﾂｮ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰？
窶堋ｦ窶堋ｦﾂ、窶板ｼﾂ親窶堙嫁陳ｩ窶堙可行窶堋ｱ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ。
窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙債、窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙擬COLOR=red]ﾂ。[/COLOR]

窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｷ窶堋ｮﾂ、窶堋ｨﾂ青ｳﾅ椎ｽ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰。
窶堋ｦ窶堋ｦﾂ、ﾅｽﾃｰ窶堙ｰ窶敞停?堋ｨ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙債、ﾋ?ｹ窶堙懌?堙遺?堋｢窶堙吮?堋､窶堋ｪ窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰。

Why?

窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｷ窶堋ｮﾂ、ﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙固停?ｹﾂ債･ﾅｽﾂｮ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙擬COLOR=red]ﾂ。[/COLOR]
窶堋ｦ窶堋ｦﾂ、ﾆ致ﾆ椎槌短ﾆ停?愴暖窶堙ｰ窶堋?窶堋ｰ窶堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙債、ﾂ坂?壺?堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰。

It's not coherent... if you say
窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙坂?堋ｨ窶ｹﾃ?窶堋ｪ窶堋ｩ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堙仰。
then it's ok though it still makes you sound a miser...

窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｷ窶堋ｮﾂ、窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙姑誰ﾆ停?ｰﾆ湛窶堙娯?敖ｭ窶｢\窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰？
窶堋ｦ窶堋ｦﾂ、ﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙俄?ｰﾃｯ窶堋ｨ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙債、ﾅ?y窶堋ｵ窶堙拏COLOR=red]窶堙??堋ｷ[/COLOR]窶堙仰？


The above answers are all correct!

窶ｹﾅｽ窶扼窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?堙可行窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶認窶傳ﾂ。(Would it also be okay if I put itte imasu?)
No.

ﾂ静ｦﾂ週窶堙ｰﾅ陳ｩ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｨﾅｽ窶ｺﾂ。(Do I need the 窶堙ｰ?)
No. Actually you musn't use 窶堙ｰ because "last week" is not the object of the verb "saw".


窶愿ｺ窶怒窶堙個習ﾅ?ﾂｵ窶堙俄?堙や?堋｢窶堙??堙ｦ窶堋ｭ窶冦窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾅ?Oﾂ坂?伉人窶堙ｰ窶儺窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ。
窶堙や?堋｢窶堙 is about.
ﾂ〜窶堙俄?堙や?堋｢窶堙??冦窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ. to know (to have knowledge) about ~
窶堙ｦ窶堋ｭ窶冦窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ to know well. to have good knowledge of something.

窶愿ｺ窶怒窶堙個習ﾅ?ﾂｵ窶堙俄?堙や?堋｢窶堙 about Japanese customs
窶堙ｦ窶堋ｭ well
窶冦窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ know / have knowldge
ﾅ?Oﾂ坂?伉人 a foreigner

The first three makes a phrase which modifies ﾅ?Oﾂ坂?伉人.

[FONT=窶嗟窶嗷 窶督ｾ窶卍ｩ][/FONT]
Plain (dictionary) form of 窶堋ｨ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｷ is 窶堋ｨ窶堋ｭ, not 窶堋ｨ窶堋ｫ窶堙ｩ.
You have to replace 窶堋ｨ窶堋ｫ窶堙ｩ with 窶堋ｨ窶堋ｭ.


They are OK.
Radio program ﾆ停?ｰﾆ淡ﾆ棚窶敕披?枠


窶愬停?ｹﾅｾ窶佚･ﾅ?w窶堙ｰ窶伉ｲ窶ｹﾃ??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ人窶堙俄?ｰﾃｯ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
ﾂ催??ｹﾃ溪?敞停?堙≫?堋ｽﾅｽﾂｫﾂ鞘?倪?堙梗COLOR=red]窶堋?窶堙懌?堙ｨ[/COLOR]窶堙ｦ窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋｢ﾂ。
ﾆ稚ﾆ停?ｰﾆ停?愴湛ﾅ津ｪ窶堙??吮??ﾂ坂?佛津ｪ窶堙ｰﾋ彙窶堋ｹ窶堙ｩﾂ人窶堙ｰ窶儺窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ。
 
undrentide said:
Volitional & potential forms you wrote for "let's ~" are all correct.
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Awesome! I always seem to do well on these...probably because it's the easiest exercise, haha.

undrentide said:
山下先生は煙草をやめようと思っている is correct as it is.
As for the last sentence, in the morning is 朝, it does not require the perticle に.
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Okay, cool. I was thinking, "quitting tobacco" would be okay, but I was also thinking maybe you need the actual word smoking in there, maybe like tobako o sutte yameyou...
As for the second one, I see, I was thinking there was only one time to wake up so asa may not have been needed.

undrentide said:
eat more vegetables is もっと野菜を食べる or 野菜をもっと食べる.
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The thing I put is "a lot", isn't it? I remember you or epigene saying that ooi and takusan are closely related, which means "a lot".

undrentide said:
make lots of Japanese friends: 日本人の友だちをたくさん作る or たくさんの日本人友だちを作る.
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I thought there would have been a special word for make, not the literal tsukuru! I'll remember this.

undrentide said:
Either 日本人 or 日本 will do for Japanese in this context, though perhaps 日本人の sounds more natural.
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Thanks, I was slightly debating between the two.

undrentide said:
look for a job: 仕事を探す
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Aaah, I forgot that verb. I use it elsewhere!

undrentide said:
But I'd like to recommend you to use the polite form to make the style consistent.
Also use 。 not ？ unless it is a real question.
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You got it, I'll stick to the polite forms unless the grammar calls for casual forms.

undrentide said:
("Closing date for the report is coming soon."
"Yes, I'm going write it."
"Oh, I see. That's boring." ???)
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Haha, I was running out of things to say so yeah, that's actually what I wanted to say. I know, bit bad.

undrentide said:
それは、飲まないほうがいいですね。

Why?
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I wanted to go back to Genki I and say "it's better to not drink". I forgot to put takusan. I wanted to say, "It's better not to drink a lot."

undrentide said:
It's not coherent... if you say
そうですか。それはお金がかかりますね。
then it's ok though it still makes you sound a miser...
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I see...kakaru is taking time and money, correct? I vaguely remember it from Genki I. Yes, you got it, I wanted to say "It's expensive, huh."

undrentide said:
去年中国に行った友達。(Would it also be okay if I put itte imasu?)
No.
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Oh? I was thinking it was...because I remember that itte imasu means already went to, like in this picture.


So if I were to put 去年中国に行っている友達, what would it mean? I think it would mean, last year China has gone to friend, literally translated, and reformed to A friend who went to China last year.

undrentide said:
No. Actually you musn't use を because "last week" is not the object of the verb "saw".
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Thank you! I didn't even notice that. And you wouldn't use the particle ni, either, right?


I think I get it. However, I keep thinking that these -te mean "and" sentences, do you know what I mean? Here is another example: 連れて来る. I always interpret this as "take along AND come". Same with 持って行く(hold and go) So how I translated the above, is Japanese customs and well knowledge person. I mean, is it alright for me to think in this sense? Or am I interpreting it wrong?

And thanks for the other ones, I missed a few particles

One small thing:

What's going on in this sentence? I understand the sentence, it is basically saying "Michiko said Takeshi is also invited". But I don't see the need for te. Is this what happens in quotes?

Thanks a billion; I will rep you as always when I can.
 
Putrefaction said:
I was thinking, "quitting tobacco" would be okay, but I was also thinking maybe you need the actual word smoking in there, maybe like tobako o sutte yameyou...
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窶ｰﾅ停?伉絶?堙ｰ窶ｹz窶堙≫?堙??堙｢窶堙溪?堙ｦ窶堋､ means smoking and then stop which does not match quitting smoking.
If you want to use the verb "smoke" then 窶ｰﾅ停?伉絶?堙ｰ窶ｹz窶堋､窶堙娯?堙ｰ窶堙｢窶堙溪?堙ｩ. ﾂ（ﾂ〜窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙 = nominalization of ﾂ〜窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩﾂ）
You can also use the noun 窶ｹi窶ｰﾅ meaning "smoking (tobacco)".
窶ｹi窶ｰﾅ停?堙ｰ窶堙｢窶堙溪?堙ｩ.


Yes, "a lot/many/much" is 窶堋ｽ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱﾂ。
窶堙?窶堙≫?堙 is "more" which means the quantity you are going to eat is bigger than before/now.


make friends: 窶認窶堋ｾ窶堋ｿ窶堙ｰﾂ催ｬ窶堙ｩ (when you try to "make" friends)
make friend with someone ﾂ〜窶堙??認窶堋ｾ窶堋ｿ窶堙俄?堙遺?堙ｩ (to become friend with a specific person)
make friends 窶認窶堋ｾ窶堋ｿ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋ｫ窶堙ｩ (similar to ﾂ催ｬ窶堙ｩ but in more spontaneous way)


Not that I'm criticizing your comments because what is important here is grammar, but in real life you might offend people if you say ﾋ?ｹ窶堙懌?堙遺?堋｢窶｢ﾃｻ窶堋ｪ窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙ｦ when someone says he's going to buy some sake...
Maybe ﾋ?ｹ窶堙昶?堋ｷ窶堋ｬ窶堙遺?堋｢窶｢ﾃｻ窶堋ｪ窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰。 it's better to not drink too much?
You can say, for example, ﾋ?ｹ窶堙昶?堋ｷ窶堋ｬ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堙??堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堋｢窶堙仰。 Both would express your concern towards the person you're talking.
Anyway, it is not really a grammar issue, so you can forget about my comments.


Again, it is not really a question of grammar, so I would not make further comments, haha.


As far as you use 窶ｹﾅｽ窶扼, ﾂ行窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ does not really work.
Because 窶ｹﾅｽ窶扼 is about the past while 窶堋｢窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ is about now.
窶ｹﾅｽ窶扼窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?堙可行窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶認窶傳 means the friend went to China last year. One cannot tell whether he's still in China or not.
If you say just 窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?堙可行窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ窶認窶傳 then it's fine.
It implies that the friend went to China and is still there.
ﾂ（窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?堙可行窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ?≫?吮??ﾂ坂?倪?堙可行窶堙≫?堙?、窶堋ｻ窶堙固停?ｹ窶ｰﾃ環、ﾂ債｡窶堙?窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?堙俄?堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ）


窶堋ｽ窶堋ｯ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堙ｱ窶堙?窶廼窶堙≫?堙??≫?堋ｽ窶堋ｯ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堙ｱ窶堙?窶廼窶堙≫?堙??堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堋｢ "Please invite Takeshi kun as well"
I guess that this sentence is explaning the reason for something.
(ﾂ〜窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ is used to state the reason.)
For example:
Hiroshi went to a party held by his friend Kyoko.
He was rather surprised to see Takeshi because he did not expected to see Takeshi.
He asked Kyoko why Takeshi is there, and Kyoko explained she specially invited Takeshi because Michiko is her close friend and
窶堙昶?堋ｿ窶堋ｱ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｪﾂ「窶堋ｽ窶堋ｯ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堙ｱ窶堙?窶廼窶堙≫?堙?」窶堙?陳ｾ窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧﾂ。
 
I remember you guys mention nominalization but I haven't ran into it yet. I'm glad I was mostly right the first time!


I think there was something at the end of the chapter about the various uses of dekiru, but the first two definitely make sense to me. I was thinking there may have been a special verb rather than just flat out "make", I think of make in the terms of making a cake.


I take everything you guys say seriously and with full regard, if it causes offense then it comes before grammar. Of course I'm happy it was gramatically correct, but I also need to make sure that I'm not offending people. suginai seems more discrectionary than judgemental.




Wow, you're right, I totally zoned out on the part where kyounen modifies the time Thanks for answering and catching!!



This one isn't sinking in immediately at first glance but it does make logical sense, so I'll give it futher review tomorrow. I wanted to make sure you knew I read your posts and thanked you properly
 
Tomodachi dekiru : More or less the human equivalent of "Should I get a friend for my pet hedgehog??" How can I acquire attractants, "make a strong social statement," get people to like me and call me friend ?
 
Jumping into this thread again without reading everything that has passed by (so many long posts!), so excuse me if I say the wrong things.


dekiru I believe falls under potential. You use it when:
A) you refer to the ability to make friends
B) seek help on how to make friends
C) the ability to be a friend (maybe your parents are in a blood feud, maybe you killed his sister, all those will negatively affect your capability to be a friend.)


The short explanation for the sentence in question is that you are describing the person by his actions. An english equivalent is "the swimming man" or "the standing soldier". In fact this is Lesson 15 in a nutshell "Qualifying nouns by actions" or somesuch.

Grammar wise it is not wrong, but because of the logical inconsistencies between the act of traveling and last year (I presume it doesn't take him a year to travel to China), you probably mean 去年中国へ行った友達.
 
neokai said:
I presume it doesn't take him a year to travel to China
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Incidentally, 窶ｹﾅｽ窶扼窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧﾂ行窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ is used for the case.
 
友達で来る It's basically about being likeable and popular. 作る is generally used on topics of advice of how to make friends (away from Facebook contact requests) etc.

The grammar is not correct in the same way English requires prepositions like 'since' for points of time to clarify I am still in the state implied by "行っている" (having gone to/am in/am no longer here). ２週間中国に行っている is possible thinking about a situation that could happen in the future, under certain conditions, but, as everyone has commented, logically contradictory for an event that has already occured.
 
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できる does mean potential, but it has other meanings - basically it means that something that was not there comes into existance (I'm saying in a very very broad way), and I think when we say 友達ができる, できる usually does not mean capability.

For more detailed classification of the meanings of できる, I'm quoting from the dictionary 大辞林 with English translation.

(1)自然に生じる。 come into being spontaneously
(ア)それまでなかった物が生じる。 something which did not exist turns up
「顔ににきびができる」
「海底火山の爆発で島ができる」
(イ)ある人にある事態が出現する。おこる。生じる。 certain things, situation happens to someone
「急に用事ができたので失礼します」
「暇ができたら行ってみよう」

(2)新たに作られて完成する。 something is newly built/made and completed
「駅前に本屋ができるそうだ」
「できたばかりのパン」

(3)作物が成熟する。また、作物が生長する。 Crops ripes/grow
「うちの畑でできたスイカ」
「北海道ではミカンはできない」

(4)課せられた作業・課題や準備が完成・完了する。仕上がる。 Works/assignment (allocated) is completed/finished
「ご注文の写真は明日の夕方できます」
「覚悟は―・きている」

(5)材質・つくりが…である。 made of, made to be
「この机は頑丈にできている」

(6)人が…するように生まれついている。教育されている。 (to describe a person) to be born into, to be educated
「いつも苦労するようにできている」

(7)能力・人柄がすぐれている。 excelled in ability/personality
「クラスで一番できる子」
「彼は人物ができている」

(8)世間に知られないうちに、男女が情交を結ぶような 親 しい仲になる。 having relationship (between man and woman) without being noticed by the public
「あの二人はどうもできてるようだ」

In case of 友達ができる, the meaning of できる is （１）（ア）.
 
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