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帰ります has a nuance of "I will go home," a sense of future tense or the speaker's intention. ところ is the nominalizer not for a "place" but for a "scene/moment."Hmm... Damn! I wanted to say that I was currently in the motion, as in if you asked me in the train. tokoro = place, let me ask you, if I just said kaerimasu would it have been ok?
How clear do you need to be ?Pfft...I was way off again, haha. I guess I didn't get it down as well as I thought.
帰る is a change-of-state verb, so 帰っています does not basically express the ongoing action but does "the current state," as Elizabeth-san explained. You can use ~ています to express an ongoing action for action/movement verbs.Pfft...I was way off again, haha. I guess I didn't get it down as well as I thought.
Generally, yes. For instance, if you're in the office and say 帰るところ, it would mean これから/ちょうど今帰るところ. But in the situation Putrefaction-san stated, "I wanted to say that I was currently in the motion, as in if you asked me in the train," the expression 帰るところ would be more common than 帰る途中.;-)"Kaeru tokoro" can also mean about ready to go home. Use Kaeru tochuu.
OK, must have zoned out over the scene of this conversation. Let me set it up again.帰る is a change-of-state verb, so 帰っています does not basically express the ongoing action but does "the current state," as Elizabeth-san explained. You can use ~ています to express an ongoing action for action/movement verbs.
e.g.
今テレビを見ています。
~ている form is definitely tough to grasp.
Generally, yes. For instance, if you're in the office and say 帰るところ, it would mean これから/ちょうど今帰るところ. But in the situation Putrefaction-san stated, "I wanted to say that I was currently in the motion, as in if you asked me in the train," the expression 帰るところ would be more common than 帰る途中.;-)
Putrefactionさん、こんにちは。どこかにお出かけですか?
いえ、うちに帰るところです。
How clear do you need to be ? "Kaeru tokoro" can also mean about ready to go home. Use Kaeru tochuu.
The first, just for fun, what is YOUR translation(s)??How about: Yakkyoku ni kusuri o kai ni ikimasu.
I guess I am unclear on how kaette is used, I guess.
And hell, while I'm on a failing path:
Putrefaction wa yakkyoku ni kusuri o kai ni iku to omoimasu.
You haven't left yet. That makes sense and it looks clean.My translation is: I am going to the pharmacy to buy medicine.
12月29日から1月3日の夜まで、故郷に帰っているのでAnd acutally if you woulndt mind, please give me a sentnece with kaette imasu?
ni ikanai to omoimasu....I thank you for your input Elizabeth! To make a general note please know that I am extremely confused with everything until miraculously I understand and then have little to no problems with it.
The only thing I'm having problems with is now you can apparently say "... ni ikimasen to omoimasu".
思う is more commonly used. When you use 思っている, you need to make clear who the subject is to avoid to be misunderstood. (e.g. 僕はElizabethさんは頭がいいと思っています。) Elizabethさんは頭がいいと思っています could be interpreted as "Elizabeth considers herself smart."Elizabeth san wa atamagaii to omoimasu. (omotte?)(demo) Putrefaction san wa atamagayokunai to shirimasu (or omoimasu, I felt like mixing it up).
"I think Elizabeth is smart, but (I know)I think Putrefaction is dumb."
1) Basically I wanted to make it one continous thought so I think omotte will work but I sincerely doubt it.
You can use the adversative conjunction けれど/けど.2) I'm not sure how to go from smart to Putrefaction in the same sentence if it's not to omoimasu.
1) I get shitte imasu, I was thinking that since omoimasu is used it can also be shirimasu. Why is it itte imasu instead of iimasu then?
did i at least get the reading right在米国日本国大使館
zai beikoku nihonkoku daishikan?
在米国日本国大使館
zai beikoku nihonkoku daishikan?
what if i wanted to say my friend said he had a test yesterday:
watashi no tomodachi wa shiken ga arimashita to itte imashita
not seeing how the circled ones can't be applied to one hour.
i went for an hour, i went out for an hour, i rode the bus for an hour, i borrowed for an hour...
起きる、行く、来る、帰る、出かける、出る、結婚する、離婚する、借りる、座る、乗る、知る、死ぬ、壊れる、入る、閉じる、閉まる、咲く、開く、散る 、着える、倒れる、立つ、落ちる、付く、届く、触れる、着く、取れる、似る、太る、痩せる、始まる、忘れる、降りる、連れる、着る、もってくる、もって行く、終わる、はく、疲れる、できる、覚える、乾く、空く、なる、駐車する、直る、載れる、敗れる、晴れる、曇る、返る、決める、残る、かかる、こむ、消す。。。。I just realized what a huge mess these so called "punctual" verbs are making me as well, there is so little correspondence with Englsh.Toritoribe was right, I need to take this real real f'n slow...thanks again undrentide! I will re-re-read those when I come home at 11. I can see what you mean, it's a lot different than english. can i ask you what then is obo.eru a group 3 (remember, instaneous)? You have went from a state of not knowing to a state of knowing. In addition, would wakarimasu be instaneous as well? And what about sanpo suru, walking I don't think is instaneous but it can last for a long time...
In this way it's like 持つ、住む、 XXX company に勤めている that you may know so far as more likely (or only) to be found in the te iru form than in the present form.Shiru is an "action" verb. It does not mean "to be in the know" or "be in possession of knowledge", but "to get to know" or "to gain knowledge". So, to express something like "I know the words to this song.", you use Shitteiru instead of Shiru ("Kono uta no kashi o shitteimasu"), whereas, when you want to say something like "I want to get to know you better", you say "Anata wo motto yoku shiritai desu".
One way to identify a verb like Sanpo suru as continuous is by an action that can be continued indefinitely, hence not something that occured one time and the resulting state remained. Most verbs that are intransitive with transitive partners are punctual. The list I cobbled together above contains the most important ones, even if it is highly flawed otherwise. ☝Toritoribe was right, I need to take this real real f'n slow...thanks again undrentide! I will re-re-read those when I come home at 11. I can see what you mean, it's a lot different than english. can i ask you what then is obo.eru a group 3 (remember, instaneous)? You have went from a state of not knowing to a state of knowing. In addition, would wakarimasu be instaneous as well? And what about sanpo suru, walking I don't think is instaneous but it can last for a long time...
Im not sure if this is what you guys were talking about (sorry, ive been away a while), but here goes:
What are the japanese names of all these verbs whose dictionary forms have more of a continual meaning (not sure if im making sense...)
ie yomu vs omou
yomu means "will read"
omou doesnt mean "will think"? right?