Question Hiragana practice

Again, you might feel this is annoying, but I believe wrong information should be corrected for learners, including you.
I came across Dogen's pitch-accent videos recently, I don't know if you've seen them but I was planning on watching the episodes he has on his playlist for it, would you say it's good to watch? It seemed to be easy to understand from the first video, and he said rather than teaching individual words and their pitch accents, he'd teach how to infer on what type of pitch accent the word will be, and all the types there are and show it in a visual way, also placing the same pitch accent on english words with the same amount of syllables so it's easy to hear. I think it'll be good to watch, but let me know if you don't think it's good 😅 Just wanna make sure I'm getting the right info cause I want to sound more native, and I'd love to lose my american accent completely, plus since I'm 18 I might actually have the capacity to, if I leave quick.
 
渦巻さん、

How many hours do you think you have spent on this hiragana practice so far? If you could, just make a wild guess and count them up. I would also like to see you keep track of how many total hours it takes you to get through all of these hiragana practices. I am curious as to how many total hours this is going to take you.
 
I came across Dogen's pitch-accent videos recently, I don't know if you've seen them but I was planning on watching the episodes he has on his playlist for it, would you say it's good to watch? It seemed to be easy to understand from the first video, and he said rather than teaching individual words and their pitch accents, he'd teach how to infer on what type of pitch accent the word will be, and all the types there are and show it in a visual way, also placing the same pitch accent on english words with the same amount of syllables so it's easy to hear. I think it'll be good to watch, but let me know if you don't think it's good 😅 Just wanna make sure I'm getting the right info cause I want to sound more native, and I'd love to lose my american accent completely, plus since I'm 18 I might actually have the capacity to, if I leave quick.
I don't know the video you mentioned.
Actually, the priority of pitch accent is not so high in the early stage of learning Japanese. There are many other things you should learn before learning pitch accent. I corrected the explanation just because it's wrong. In other words, if there is no description about accent in this thread, I wouldn't explain it.
 
Pitch accent may be a little too specific, but, having a baseline understanding of phonology will help immensely with your general accent reduction efforts, so I would dedicate a little time to learn about IPA and understand what this chart means:
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once you can recognize the different sounds humans make to speak, focus on Japanese phonology, so when you watch a video and then repeat back what you hear, you can avoid relying on your vocabulary of English sounds you're familiar with. In a sense, when you speak another language properly, you are speaking with not just a different mind, but a different mouth.

Beware: Phonology is a great tool but it's also a huge black hole of study that can absorb your attention and detract from your language studies. Try to focus on the most useful bits to serve your purpose for now. Remember, phonology explains what native speakers do unconsciously; you don't have to fully understand it to be able to use it effectively.

I came across Dogen's pitch-accent videos recently, I don't know if you've seen them but I was planning on watching the episodes he has on his playlist for it, would you say it's good to watch? It seemed to be easy to understand from the first video, and he said rather than teaching individual words and their pitch accents, he'd teach how to infer on what type of pitch accent the word will be, and all the types there are and show it in a visual way, also placing the same pitch accent on english words with the same amount of syllables so it's easy to hear. I think it'll be good to watch, but let me know if you don't think it's good 😅

Dogen's videos are pretty decent, and I enjoy his little comedy bits. Pitch accent is his niche; he pulls from a few different sources and presents a systematic approach to understanding the pitch accent. I think his content is worth looking at, but maybe not at this point in your studies. I was 4 years in before I was even introduced to pitch accent when I first started studying phonology, though there was a vague knowledge that "Japanese has some homographs that aren't quite homophones."

Because there aren't a ton of pitch accent minimal pairs (橋・箸 etc), pitch accent is often ignored in Japanese studies, because even if you use the wrong accent pattern the context should make it clear what you meant. Having the correct pitch accent may be crucial to sounding native (an admirable goal), understanding pitch accent isn't as useful as observing native speakers. And even if you totally mess up, wrong pitch accent isn't a barrier to being understood, which is why it gets low priority..

Just wanna make sure I'm getting the right info cause I want to sound more native, and I'd love to lose my american accent completely, plus since I'm 18 I might actually have the capacity to, if I leave quick.
To learn to use pitch accent correctly, all you really need is to listen and imitate how native speakers say things. If you start practicing early on to speak like a native, you will naturally pick up the correct accent for most of the time. Just watch Japanese content with realistic conversations and just try to repeat the spoken lines and mimic the inflection used. You'll also begin to understand--from the context--the ways Japanese speakers express their mood through their voice, which will make it easier for you to express and read emotion in your interactions, so you can better "read the air."
 
渦巻さん、

How many hours do you think you have spent on this hiragana practice so far? If you could, just make a wild guess and count them up. I would also like to see you keep track of how many total hours it takes you to get through all of these hiragana practices. I am curious as to how many total hours this is going to take you.
@Buntaro 先輩、

I believe it's been about 20-30 hours, of physically practicing... but not much on the grand scheme of things I'd say...
I probably spent like 50 hours watching and listening to content about writing hiragana though, but as for physically writing, not nearly as much...
 
I don't know the video you mentioned.
Actually, the priority of pitch accent is not so high in the early stage of learning Japanese. There are many other things you should learn before learning pitch accent. I corrected the explanation just because it's wrong. In other words, if there is no description about accent in this thread, I wouldn't explain it.
Oh, okay, well I'll still keep it in mind as it might be better to grasp earlier than later (I don't know if speaking words incorrectly could become a bad habit) so I'd wanna learn at least still before coming to Japan so my entire learning progress won't need to be tweaked in the pronunciation area 🥲
 
@nice gaijin , thanks for the informative and insightful post!
Pitch accent may be a little too specific, but, having a baseline understanding of phonology will help immensely with your general accent reduction efforts, so I would dedicate a little time to learn about IPA and understand what this chart means:
I'll start on it right after I practice the し words I was given, since I haven't even done that yet 😅
once you can recognize the different sounds humans make to speak, focus on Japanese phonology
Absolutely will!
Phonology is a great tool but it's also a huge black hole of study that can absorb your attention and detract from your language studies.
I agree, for many things like this too. I won't let it take away from what's most important when I'm learning this new language, but I still feel like for me and the way my brain particularly works, it's important for me to confirm what I infer with a solid understanding, and a proper explanation as to why, so I can be confident that I'm doing something correctly even when going off of instinct 😅
pitch accent is often ignored in Japanese studies, because even if you use the wrong accent pattern the context should make it clear what you meant.
The reason I refuse to ignore it is because as an American I know what foreigners sound like... And I know it may sound mean but I'd never want to come to someone else's country, and not properly speak the language as it was intended... Especially if it were like how many foreigners here are, that have been here for many many years, but because of their age (presumably) their accent became permanent, often to the point that it's hard to understand what they mean. I know it probably won't be as extreme in Japanese speech, but I still won't allow myself to have that persona. I won't allow myself to be viewed as someone incapable of native-like speech or stuck in my ways. I also know that even if people don't realize, there's going to be a bias towards people with a heavier accent. And lastly, the memory I always get reminded of when thinking about all this is when my brother was incapable of realizing his pitch accent was wrong. He thought it didn't matter, and didn't see the difference between his pronunciation and the correct one. He stressed words like "GRENade" instead of "grenADE", and that bothered the life out of me... I don't wanna put someone else through that if they're having a conversation with me 💀 He eventually did learn the correct way of pronouncing words though, and I hopefully want to do the same in Japanese, but I promise I won't let it take over the main mission; I think of it as a side quest, but still an important one.
To learn to use pitch accent correctly, all you really need is to listen and imitate how native speakers say things. If you start practicing early on to speak like a native, you will naturally pick up the correct accent for most of the time. Just watch Japanese content with realistic conversations and just try to repeat the spoken lines and mimic the inflection used. You'll also begin to understand--from the context--the ways Japanese speakers express their mood through their voice, which will make it easier for you to express and read emotion in your interactions, so you can better "read the air."
Yes, I have been watching native speakers having conversations and talking generally to themselves as well. I really like this method since it's a more natural approach to learn, like when we hear about little kids picking up English or other languages off of TV shows. But, I still feel like the understanding can reinforce the speech patterns my brain picks up, as well as introducing me to the things I couldn't have picked up, or possibly gotten wrong. Also things that can't be easily caught, corrected, and explained in daily conversation with someone.
Also, as you might know, it's a bit harder than most other cultures to read Japanese emotions 😅 I would definitely need an extra explanation to help me understand how to vibrantly express myself and understand how others are as well. Although in most cases I'm about as expressive as a robot 🤖
But yeah, I've been watching a heavy amount of Japanese content, to the point where when I learn a new word, I've almost 100% heard it before, I just didn't know the meaning, but I can clearly recognize it in most speech now. It also reinforces my memory of the meaning when I heard it many times before, so that's really good as well. I even put on conversational videos almost every time I intend on sleeping, and watch a playlist of them till I fall asleep, continuing the videos in my sleep as well. I feel like it's an added benefit to take in auditory content while asleep too, cause it reaches different areas of the brain that might not be so accessible when fully awake 😄
 
Good to know. Let's see how much your total time increases as time goes by.
It's hard to track 😣 but we'll see 🙏🏾 I'm going to do the し words now, just gotta find them cause silly me is scrolling through the thread still looking for it 🤣
Update: Found ittt
 
I have been watching native speakers having conversations and talking generally to themselves as well.

I've been watching a heavy amount of Japanese content
If you have such materials, how about to write down the words you can recognize in hiragana? I think it's more useful for hiragana writing practice and also for improving your listening comprehension than writing down the words pronounced by yourself.
 
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