Help to translate some sentence
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Elizabeth
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What parts don't you get ? If absolutely nothing, I would recommend shorter sentences with less difficult kanji and fewer possibilities for structural ambiguity.
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i need some clarification because i dont have anybody discuss it with. japanese and english are not my 1st language, and i learn japanese from english reference, so when i attempt to translate something like this, i don't have self confindence on the result
here is my guess:
1.「テキストに溺れることなかれ」って言われてるでしょう
i was told "dont get drown on textbooks
2.いっくら学んだって 実践しなきゃ意味なんてないじゃないのよ
study must practce it without meaning
3.師匠はあれはあれで浮世離れした人だから
master is that something from other world person
4.こちらの読みが甘かった...私も王の権威に頼っていたというのか
misjudge this way. I should rely on king authority
5.我らは月光と森羅万象にひそむ小さきもの. かそけきもの
we hide in moonlight and all things in nature very small clothing.
i cant find the meaning with underline
i apologize if the question to easy, please correct my translation
here is my guess:
1.「テキストに溺れることなかれ」って言われてるでしょう
i was told "dont get drown on textbooks
2.いっくら学んだって 実践しなきゃ意味なんてないじゃないのよ
study must practce it without meaning
3.師匠はあれはあれで浮世離れした人だから
master is that something from other world person
4.こちらの読みが甘かった...私も王の権威に頼っていたというのか
misjudge this way. I should rely on king authority
5.我らは月光と森羅万象にひそむ小さきもの. かそけきもの
we hide in moonlight and all things in nature very small clothing.
i cant find the meaning with underline
i apologize if the question to easy, please correct my translation
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1)
If you quoted #1 and #2 from the same source, the subject is "you".
2)
いっくら is an emphasized form of いくら.
3)
浮世離れした: unworldly
4)
こちら refers to "me/us/my side/our side".
私も王の権威に頼っていたというのか
I've realised that I, too, relied on the king's authority.
5)
It's not かそけ/ きもの, but かそけき / もの. かそけき is the attributive form of a classical adjective かそけし, meaning "insensible/faint".
If you quoted #1 and #2 from the same source, the subject is "you".
2)
いっくら is an emphasized form of いくら.
3)
浮世離れした: unworldly
4)
こちら refers to "me/us/my side/our side".
私も王の権威に頼っていたというのか
I've realised that I, too, relied on the king's authority.
5)
It's not かそけ/ きもの, but かそけき / もの. かそけき is the attributive form of a classical adjective かそけし, meaning "insensible/faint".
letianchen
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というのか means what in sentence 4, particularly the no ka ending?
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という is for quotation, の is the explanatory の, and か is for question. In this case, 私も王の権威に頼っていた is not someone else's words but the speaker's own thought/idea (he realized it with surprise).
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yes, #1 &2 from same source
「テキストに溺れることなかれ」って言われてるでしょう
いっくら学んだって 実践しなきゃ意味なんてないじゃないのよ
you are told "don't too focus on textbook"
you must practice as much as you study, somewhat meaningless
-if subject is you, so it should be something like above ^
-what is 意味なんてないじゃない ? is mine above correct?
#3 what is the meaning of あれはあれで on the picture above?
if there is no あれはあれで, it will be easier to translate to "because master is unwordly person"
#4 which "too" is it? "too much" or "also"
「テキストに溺れることなかれ」って言われてるでしょう
いっくら学んだって 実践しなきゃ意味なんてないじゃないのよ
you are told "don't too focus on textbook"
you must practice as much as you study, somewhat meaningless
-if subject is you, so it should be something like above ^
-what is 意味なんてないじゃない ? is mine above correct?
#3 what is the meaning of あれはあれで on the picture above?
if there is no あれはあれで, it will be easier to translate to "because master is unwordly person"
#4 which "too" is it? "too much" or "also"
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2)
Haven't you learned a structure "いくら～たって/ても" or a conditional "～なければ"? (なきゃ is a colloquial form of なければ.)
"Meaningless" is correct for 意味なんてないじゃない.
3)
I don't know the context, but it seems to mean "opposite to his appearance".
4)
It's "also", of course, since it's from も, it's not "too much", and furthermore, I wrote ", too,".
Haven't you learned a structure "いくら～たって/ても" or a conditional "～なければ"? (なきゃ is a colloquial form of なければ.)
"Meaningless" is correct for 意味なんてないじゃない.
3)
I don't know the context, but it seems to mean "opposite to his appearance".
4)
It's "also", of course, since it's from も, it's not "too much", and furthermore, I wrote ", too,".
Elizabeth
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英語で言うとNo matter how much I learn, without practical application it is nothing のような、感じに近くなる効果があるかな。
実践的 = 実用的？
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Yeah, 実践しなきゃ is a negative conditional of a verb 実践する, as the OP translated correctly. It has nothing to do with 実践的 / 実用的.
いっくら学んだって、実践しなきゃ意味なんてないじゃ ないのよ。
No matter how much you learn, it's meaningless if you don't actually practice it.
いっくら学んだって、実践しなきゃ意味なんてないじゃ ないのよ。
No matter how much you learn, it's meaningless if you don't actually practice it.
Elizabeth
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I just threw that out because 実践 is still a bit less understandable to me and 実用的 is an adjective with a similar meaning. Whether the 実用 version can be used to replace it naturally I guess depends on any major differences in usage and interpretation.
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No. 実用する sounds rather awkward there. It's more likely 実行する. (although it still has different nuance from 実践する.)
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「学んだ知識を実践する」の型と「立った計画を実行する」の型という違いがありますでしょうか。
(But while that seems easy enough, what pattern is 実用？ ある技術を実用する型 ?)
Elizabeth
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実行する seems more like executing a policy, belief or idea into practice whereas 実践 would involve the opposition between theory and implementing it in a real world application. 実用 can be used to express the content (information, textbook etc) as opposed to mechanics of carrying out an operation. But that was my assumption of the core meanings and major differences after comparing a few sentences, there are surely many more cases where a replacement is possible.
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そうですね。「実践する」は知識を適用することに、「実行する」は実際に行うこと自体にそれぞれ力点があるという感じでしょうね。
「実用する」は「実際に使用する」"to use actually" という意味でなら使われると思います。ただこの用法でさえあまり一般的ではないとは思いますが。
