Many Japanese believe that the severest Japan bashing is based on more than the economic/social/etc. issues at hand. In fact, the major newspapers implied, at the height of the Japan bashing frenzy, that anti-Japanese racism was a big part of it. I think I would agree with that.
Even though the percntage of foreign crime is low (and lower than Japanese based as a percntge of the population living here),
Did you take my post to mean something else? I'm not saying Japanese crime rates are higher, the bloomberg article says that, which is clearly manipulated in favor of foreigners. (You can check back the original stats.)true, anomouse. Caster, keep that in mind.
Heck, even the Okinawa web site created by Japanese has stats in favor of U.S. military but they think the stats show otherwise.
anomouse,Did you take my post to mean something else? I'm not saying Japanese crime rates are higher, the bloomberg article says that, which is clearly manipulated in favor of foreigners. (You can check back the original stats.)
First, this statement does not mean anything when FOREIGNERS could mean different things..(illegal immigrants/visitors/tourists/residents etc from wealthy/poor countries) Comparing apples and oranges.anomouse,
Foreigners DO have a lower percentage of crime than the locals, and it is falling.
Of the 35,800 cases, 25,753 cases were violations of the criminal code, down 6.2 percent from the previous year, while 10,047 cases were violations of special law, such as immigrant control and refugee recognition act, down 20.7 percent, according to the NPA.
basicaliy ,zero percntage of foreign crime is usual in foreign country, right?
You are just being silly with wealthy/poor countries in your "comparison".First, this statement does not mean anything when FOREIGNERS could mean different things..(illegal immigrants/visitors/tourists/residents etc from wealthy/poor countries) Comparing apples and oranges.
I don't understand this statement. What are you trying to say here?Second, local criminals don't justify foreign criminals.
The Kyodo news article is about the statistics of foreign visitors, not residents, Mixing different types of foreigners (with different nationalities, backgrounds, status) and averaging them out doesn't mean anything. You can find more detailed statistics in official papers.
Regarding the special law, there seems to be a misunderstanding. The law doesn't just target foreigners. Japanese can also get arrested when they illegally employ foreigners without proper visas.
Ok, that's clear enough. I don't know why you think that way, but let's read on...I'm saying that comparing local crimes with the crimes of foreign visitors (of all kinds) is absurd.
Your logic escapes me here about the drop in foreign crime rate.Bring in more tourists from developed countries, and the "foreign crime rates" will drop, but it doesn't make the country safer overall.
Now you way just the opposite (I think) to the first statement I quoted above.Violent or not, a crime is a crime, and it needs to be addressed.
True, but it's practically the only immigration law other than human trafficking that involves the local citizenry.gaijin, Immigration law says that employing foreigners without a valid visa is a punishable offense, foreigner or not.
It has evolved into one, in part, stemming from comments on the peak of Japan-bashing "frenzy" (Ocean Dude's words), and gaijinalways' reply about how reports on foreign crime stats are racist and/or misleading. That was almost a week ago, and you perpetuated the idea, so why stop it now? It's still a part of the topic. Do you think that foreigners have no right to bash Japan with regards to the so-called crime stats against foreigners?Lastly, this isn't a foreign crime thread,
A very hypocritical statement due to the fact that this thread has moved on a tangent , although I agree with you on some things being talked about even if it were not to be be a part of the OP's original intent of the post. I wish you had this kind of veiw for other threads too, as it would make me want to discuss things more deeply.It has evolved into one, in part, stemming from comments on the peak of Japan-bashing "frenzy" (Ocean Dude's words), and gaijinalways' reply about how reports on foreign crime stats are racist and/or misleading. That was almost a week ago, and you perpetuated the idea, so why stop it now?
Depends on who presents them.Foreign crime stats isn't racist.
My point is that I felt the same way about voting in the legal rights thread. Just like this ,it is not dirrectly related to the orignal post but does have some relevance when you you take it in the context of the thread. So why can you say that in a Japan bashing thread that crime stats have relevance when you disagreed with the voting tangent? Don't worry ,I see the relation in this thread as I did in the voting thread.Dave,
Why do you see my statement as hypocritical? Yes, I don't like people going off on tangents, if that is what you meant, but this was not a real tangent IMO. Shrug.
Crime stats that are made up by the police department against foreigners is discrimination just to get them a bigger budget. Clear enough?
Open mind? It's plenty open. I would just rather keep threads from going off-topic. You apparently can't see the difference.
It seems the Japanese statisticians don't differentiate between a crime and an offense. This is the true reason behind the foreign crime ﾂ"problemﾂ" in this country.
Why? Japan does it. That's why I brought it up.Again, it is unfair to compare the crimes between people with the public official visa status and the locals.
That doesn't mean minor offenses are unreported in the news. In fact, they are. It's that notoriety thing again. You just proved it with your reference. Now, why do you think it was so all-fired important to put that on the news, when so many others have done the same thing yet get no coverage?It was a big news that a young SDF soldier with his tank driver license was arrested for riding a motor bike without the bike license off-base. But if the minor offense were by the SOFA people, he/she must be protected under the SOFA.
What's your point?"Murder" in Japan includes "attemped murder". So it does not mean that over 1000 people are killed every year.
This is a bit slight differences between the US and Japan.
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Why? Japan does it. That's why I brought it up.
I don't know the reason why they don't translate it into English, either. Just refer to the page 86 and 87 above to satisfy your interest.This, however, is my favorite page. Made by Okinawan government itself, this one table itemizes the crimes committed by SOFA status Americans from 1972 to 2001. (I don't know why it has not been updated.)
http://www3.pref.okinawa.jp/site/contents/attach/14811/statistics200803.pdf
Nothing in particular, but it is interesting to know the differences between the two countries.What's your point?