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BBC said "Fingerprinting of overseas students will begin this month - and university chiefs are warning that it needs to be a simple and efficient process."
BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Foreign students fingerprint fear

Overseas students will need to have biometric identity cards in UK
When the situation changes, so-called "Pro-Human right" country change the rule. If Japan does this first, the West will bash Japan, but following UK would be OK ??
I am always interested in mentality of so-called "Pro-Human Right" people.
 
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If I'm not mistaken for any kind of visa besides a tourest visa here in the U.S. you get fingerprinted.
 
I feel that we all got paranoid with a boogie man around every rock and every tree. We don`t trust anyone anymore
 
If I'm not mistaken for any kind of visa besides a tourest visa here in the U.S. you get fingerprinted.

But foreign tourists do not need to carry biotch ID card all te time in the USA, I think.
 
846 foreigners prevented from illegally entering Japan under biometric ID system

A total of 846 foreigners have been prevented from illegally entering Japan over the past year following the introduction of biometric identification systems at airports across the country, according to the Ministry of Justice.

The ministry, which released a report on the system's first year results on Friday, added that the number of visa overstayers is down 35 percent, compared to the previous year.

"Those illegally entering the country to work are being prevented, and the efficiency of border measures is increasing," it said.

A total of 748 people were expelled for trying to re-enter the country during the 5-year period following a previous deportation, including 290 Koreans, 137 Filipinos and 83 Chinese. A further 98 -- 18 Filipinos, 16 Iranians and 10 Sri Lankans -- were deported for using false passports.

There have also been a few cases of immigration identifying suspects wanted by police in connection with crimes through biometric information.

As only the second country in the world to implement a biometric identification system for those entering the country -- after the United States -- the immigration service was also geared up to handle crowds of people refusing to be fingerprinted or photographed. So far however, there has been only one case of this happening, that of a man from the Middle East.

"As the system becomes more widespread, it's gaining more acceptance," said immigration authorities.



(Mainichi Japan) November 28, 2008
 
Yeah?

So?

Crappy stats and a false send of bravado in that "report". Yawn.
 
Yeah?So?Crappy stats and a false send of bravado in that "report". Yawn
Glenski, you mean, there is no corroborating evidence right? For example, there are no statistics on what the number of deportees would be without this invasive system. I agree with you, but I don't want to put it so bluntly.^^;

I am always suspicious if a government releases "official numbers". In that case there is always some kind of political motivation behind it. No matter what government is releasing it.
 
otto,
One stat they didn't cite (and was brought up so nicely on Debito's blog) is how many of these would have been caught last year without the current system.

Another is whether those false passports were caught on their own, or if they required the fingerprinting system to do it. I suspect the former, but we'll never know.

As for shorter lines at immigration as a result of this policy, I guess those officials weren't actually in line when the machines didn't work, and they weren't around when people (reported on Debito's blog again) tried to use the alternate lines meant to bypass fingerprinting and discovered that there was nobody there to staff them.

Shrug.
 
otto,
One stat they didn't cite (and was brought up so nicely on Debito's blog) is how many of these would have been caught last year without the current system.
...
Shrug.

White Paper-Immigration policy
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You can blame me again without reading his blog, but I easily imagine what you/he wants to say.
1. the number of people refused his/her entry was not that much changed
2. Tourists increased
3. The rate of refusal actually decreases with/without the scheme
4. Conspiracy or discrimination!

My interpretation
Point 1 and 2 are right as the official figure shows in the white paper above.
#3 is partly right, I think, because nobody knows how many people with some backgrounds in the past would cancel his/her risk-taking, entering to Japan, after the system. I can only conclude there were 846 brave challengers.
#4, I have no idea, but it is good for Japan to set a numerical policy goal and give more people fairer access.

You/he thinks it is the nice interpretation/citation of debito because he simply used and interpreted another official data openly available to the public. And I also think you/he uses the time lag before the English translation is available. What is is behind the irony using official data to blame another official data in the same bureau and paper?

It sounds like the same story based on an ancient Chinese story, which is stronger, the strongest sword or the mightiest shield as we usually call it ηͺΆη£ο½΅οΎ‚ιž˜? mujun, contradiction/inconsistency.

Anyways, I agree with you, "it is good to use
tag here".
 

I think I am using the same source http://www.moj.go.jp/PRESS/070229-2.pdf

Japan's Ministry of Justice said "Thanking to rigorous passport control and cooperations with foreign government authorities, we could have reduce the number of illegal stays for the past years - from 220,552 persons in Jan 2003to 149,785 persons in Jan 2008 - down by 32%.

It also says .... South Korean occupy top position of illegal stays (21.2%) and followed by Chinese (16.7%) and Phillipines (16.5%).

For your info, South Korean is the illegal stay champion every year.
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Maybe Japanese government better introduce the same biometric identity cards for travellers, at least from Korea, China and Phillipines, and make them complusory for carrying all the time for tracking their movement in Japan.

Must be OK as Japan is just following UK.
 
Why that special range of years (2003 to 2008)? Did it just happen to give a certain nice looking figure? Or was there something special implemented in 2003 that they are trying to prove is measurable?

My vote is on the former.

It also has nothing to do with the current fingerprinting, which started only in 2007.
 
I'm just curious as to what Astroboy is trying to prove; That Japan is unfairly frowned upon for finger printing foreigners?

For your info, South Korean is the illegal stay champion every year.

Very curious piece of info for you to emphasize. Is this a hint to some secret agenda you have?
 
I'm just curious as to what Astroboy is trying to prove; That Japan is unfairly frowned upon for finger printing foreigners?

IF Japan does first, everybody will bash Japan. So, it is good for Japan to follow UK/USA. Are there any trouble still ?

Very curious piece of info for you to emphasize. Is this a hint to some secret agenda you have?

I am just curious why Koreans illegally stay in Japan (which Koreans dislike most) exceeding allowed period? Are they forced to come as slave or human-trafficked ?

My questioning is not allowed?
 
This is quickly digressing and I am at fault, sorry.

IF Japan does first, everybody will bash Japan. So, it is good for Japan to follow UK/USA. Are there any trouble still ?

Nope, I understand now.

I am just curious why Koreans illegally stay in Japan (which Koreans dislike most) exceeding allowed period? Are they forced to come as slave or human-trafficked ?
My questioning is not allowed?

Perhaps they are looking for a better life in Japan much like Mexicans who illegally stay in the USA? I think that is a bit of a blanket statement to imply that all Koreans dislike Japan. Slave or human-trafficked? Care to expand upon these?

Of course you are allowed to question, it's how you learn. It just seems your "question" is loaded.
 
Back to the OP's point...

Yes, the UK is introducing biometric ID systems.
Of course this makes me sad.

But there are some important differences;

1) It's the UK's stated goal to implement ID systems for *everyone*, including UK citizens. When I next renew my passport I'll have to give 10 fingerprints. Japan just targets foreigners, since it seems γ‚γ‚Œγ‚γ‚Œζ—₯本人 are always above suspicion.

2) There's no compulsion to carry the ID. In Japan, it's an offence for a foreigner to fail to carry their ID.

3) Although the EU has plans to fingerprint tourists, there's no realistic timeline for this. So for the forseable future, Japanese tourists will not be fingerprinted in the UK.

Security measures per se don't annoy me too much. It's targetting only certain groups which angers me.
 

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20081202zg.html

If we see only debito.org, people would think foreigners are all arrogant and nasty.
But there a few foreigners who don't have the same mental illness as Debito
 
this is a point of contention, as the concept of "group accountability" applied in the case of the onsen is not so even-handed as the article would have us think. If the onsen in question were to say "we've had trouble with russian sailors before, so we're just going to bar entry to Russian sailors (or just sailors in general) from now on, it would be a good example of group accountability. However, in this case, they are denying not just Russian sailors, but all foreigners. And it's not even foreigners, but people that cannot pass for Japanese. That is a racism of exclusion, by lumping everyone that is not 'Japanese' into one group, then making everyone accountable for the actions of a few. What about naturalized citizens? What about foreigners of Japanese descent? On the surface, would the 'Japanese' person be denied entry, and the 'foreigner' allowed in? Group accountability is hard to defend when you cast such a wide net.

That said, the fingerprint system is not unprecedented, but I think Japan I catching flak because they are already notorious for their heavy-handed approach to foreigners, and this is seen as just another excuse to flex their authority. I don't think they are out of line in this particular case, but it's the uneven application of these regulations that draw so much attention.
 
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