Enough with japanese..how hard was it for you to learn english?

Maciamo said:
"to be on cloud nine" seem so obvious in English)

You think that is obvious?ツ Why is cloud nine any better than cloud eight or fifty...

Even Japanese doesn't have really any idioms (=expressions which one cannot understand just by knowing the words it is composed of)

I don't know many Japanese idioms, but the ones I do know aren't necessarily that literal:

窶慊ェ窶堙俄?堋ォ窶堋スツ(窶堋?窶堋ス窶堙懌?堙俄?堋ォ窶堋スツ)
窶伉ォ窶堙ーツ静エ窶堋、ツ(窶堋?窶堋オ窶堙ー窶堋?窶堙ァ窶堋、ツ)
ナステア窶堙俄?堙遺?堙ゥツ(窶堋ュ窶堙鯛?堙俄?堙遺?堙ゥツ)
 
Maciamo said:
But English does also have a quite strict word order. Just take the order of the adjectives. The order is : size/length, shape/width, age, colour, origin, material + noun (eg. "a large round old brown Japanese wooden table", although we wouldn't normallly use all the adjectives together)
lexico said:
As Glenn said, Mandarin has such syntactic mechanisms as the more strict word order, profuse use of coverbs and markers of aspect and modality...

Also I thought I would mention that L2 speakers of English can get the syntax off a bit and still make sense, but if you were to do this with Chinese I get the feeling that you would just end up with some confused looks. From my understanding, English is strict in its syntax to mark subject, object, and verb, but you could get away with "the sky blue is a sight vast." That violates one of the stricter rules of syntax, and it still makes sense (although it has a very poetic feeling to it, and sorry for my bad attempt at poetry, by the way). Chinese is strict in that any movement of a word in a sentence changes its function, not just makes the sentence sound awkward. lexico can correct me if I'm wrong here. He knows more about Chinese than I do.
 
In response to the original question.

I didn't find it hard because I learned reading before I went to kindergarten school. When I was 9, I started practicing what I learned by speaking to myself in english. I spoke english in classes. In college I got to practice more when I became friends with a German guy. Now I speak it more often than my native tongue since I'm a college instructor.

@Brooker: I agree that German are good speakers of english (at least this German whom I know personally is). One time he wrote a book review for an Iranian friend who was having a hard time understanding Shakespeare and the paper came back with this comment : "This paper is too professional, you must have downloaded this." :-)
 
Brooker said:
You Belgians (Germans, and Scandinavians) are freakily good at speaking (or in this case writing) English. It boggles my mind a bit. In Japan I met a German guy who I mistook as a native English speaker. what(!) It makes 0% sense. I don't get it.


sorry brooker, im sorry to say but i disagree a bit, i met a lot of germans, and scandinavians in australia when i was backpacking there for some months, and there where a lott of them that went to english school there first.

the thing is that in some countrys like netherlands and belgium ( please tell me if there are other european country's) they dont dub the languaqe like german does,,, when you watch I ROBOT in germany, will smith talks german....

its been proven that dutch-belgium (the flemish part , am i right...sorry i missed belgium history etc, would like to learn more,,,) are the best non-native english people in the world... i think thats because of there is so much english/american on tv, and on the music charts i think that around 50% is english music.... also dutch looks like english a lott with some words. for example :

huis-house
deur-door
kaart-card
etc etc

so i learned, english by watching tv, and listen to the radio more then i learned on school itself

btw, about the best non-native,,, i think my writing sucks...
 
Read this outloud if you can!

Dearest creature in creation, study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy, make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear. So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.
Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word, sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you with such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery, daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles, exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar, solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral, kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind, scene, Melpomene, mankind.
Billet does not rhyme with ballet, bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food, nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad, toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK when you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve, friend and fiend, alive and live.
Ivy, privy, famous; clamour and enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb, doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger, neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt, font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does.
Now first say finger, and then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.
Query does not rhyme with very, nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little, we say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate; dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific, science, conscience, scientific.
Liberty, library, heave and heaven, rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed, people, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover, between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise, chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable, principle, disciple, label.
Petal, panel, and canal, wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair, senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area, psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian, dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye, eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever, neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.
Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ***, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even, hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk, ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.
Pronunciation -- think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits, writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight, housewife, verdict and indict.
Finally, which rhymes with enough --
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to just give up!!!

:p
 
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