Dir en grey

The thing is I've been hearing that they are very aggraveted with everything now.

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Damnit I can't find my FV tickets.

well, it is family values. this tour does attract some of the raunchiest ladies out there, lol. and people get drunk, and you know, they throw things.

and if dir en grey were going to be extremely strict with the no photo policy,then they woldn't have come out here. i mean, it happens.

they're grown men, they're tough, they can take it.

I think Dir en grey should have known what to expect with this tour. And also Dir en grey yes its true that they aren't happy with all the pictures being taken, the meet and greets and other stuff, but they can't do anything about it.

not really the point...people still shouldn't be so disrespectful.
but then again, they're american so it's expected..but still shouldn't be done.
just because it's -our- culture, doesn't make it right.

No I'm saying they can't do anything about the pics, because its technically not against the rules. The TOUR and the VENUE allow pics to be taken. Its just that Dir en grey/the Management has a rule against the pics. But since its not Dir en grey's Tour Dir en grey's rules don't count. So all they can do is request that pictures not be taken. But they really can't do anything about it.

But my thing is respect their wishes. Everybody takes "Dir en grey won't come back to America" as an empty threat. But the thing is it's not. Ever wondered why Dir en grey never went back to Asia (China, Hongkong, Taiwan...) after they toured there?

^ I believe that if they say they won't come back then they won't. They are a serious band so the things they say and do can't be taken lightly. It's such a shame that they are having such aggrevations on this tour. This was supposed to be their "breakthrough" into America.

If I was them I wouldnt comeback. Why go through all the hassle and the stress when you already have the Asian and European market.

Wow.

I've found out that Kyo did today's meet and greet in Wisconsin.

I think I will go commit seppuku.

beau99 said:

Wow.
I've found out that Kyo did today's meet and greet in Wisconsin.
I think I will go commit seppuku.

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ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

SWEEEEEEEEEET

I'm going to 3 shows in Ohio, so maybe he'll do at least one of the meet and greets and I can be all geeky-happy and spend billions of dollars at the merch tables to get stuff that I already have just to get the chance to shake the hand of a little Japanese man we so fondly call Kyo.

Yayness

I find it a tad too amusing that people are relating the problem as to why Diru doesn't seem to be touring Asia (outside of Japan) with the photo issue. XD;
Firstly, the photo rule thing was really reeeally strict then and rarely any pics get out at all. Well, compared to the European shows, it's really really rare. And most of the photos that were spread around the internet later were actually taken from magazines and such.

The main problem causing them to not want to tour Asia again, or at least not anytime soon, would be due to venue and administration problems. There were a lot of those during their Asia tour. The issue at Shanghai Ark was really DEADLY. And the fans in Taiwan and Korea are really scary when it comes to following them around XD;;; but that wouldn't be the MAIN problem. Like I said, the main problem has to do with the administration, venues, etc etc.

Their European tour in 2005 caused TONS of photos to be spreaded around like WHOA. Even photos of Die, Shinya and Toshiya randomly shopping around were pretty widely-spreaded. But they jump right onto the boat when it comes to performing in Germany this year anyways. Do I even have to mention they're huge public events at that? Where photos AND videos can be taken without any restriction at all, much less for spreading them all over the internet?

Also, they're well aware of the photos and such that were spreaded around widely and rapidly from their US shows back in March. Toshiya even had to make some sort of an apology in his section in Haiiro no Ginka (-_- Toshiya you silly little cute thing... -_-) to fans who'd seen the photo of him, as well as the other members, taken with the iAmerica interviewer. He apologised for shocking them with his ojisan look. ^^; (silly Toshiya -__- *glomps him*)
That was way back in March/April. And where are they touring again now? Hmm?

Seriously. -_-
If they feel that they have to seriously consider touring US again, I really doubt the photo thing would be the biggest cause. It'll be an itch or a slight stink, but it won't be the main reason why they're reconsidering touring the US.

Hell, it'd actually be a whooole lot easier if the problem is just about photos and whatnot. But it's not. And that's mostly why many Diru fans in Asia have pretty much given up and decided to just work hard on going to see them in Japan instead >.> (other than because it really kick much more *** there ._.)

Other than that... there's also another thing..
Photos from their previous shows/tours were posted -rather- obscurely. Sure, fans seem to be able to see them easily everywhere but they're not as blatantly obvious and eye-catching. Erh, well some are. But the recent posts and such on official forums and BBS are really blatant and downright obnoxious. = =;;; And I'm not even just talking about posts WITH photos. There're many retarded entries about the photo rules and such. People are BLOWING things up.

I love Diru. I love photos. I love practically anything that keeps me updated on Diru, be it photos, videos, interviews or live reports. It's a stab straight to the heart practically every Diru fan would have to endure. The "ouch" from wanting to share and wanting to be shared with, while knowing we're actually breaking one of the rules/wishes of the Diru members. We really don't want to disrespect the band. At least, I believe not one Diru fan would. But it's in us to want to be really -following- Diru, via whichever means available.

Sure, we can ignore it all and just wait for their official goods to come out with their FVT stuffs, which hopefully would be on some aknot goods or something. (since from the past experience, it seems unlikely of them to sell things like that as public official goods) But we'll still be fidgety and all. At least, for me, I will. That's why I keep searching everywhere like a mofo to get myself updated on what's going on with Diru on the FVT.

But, oh hey, trading of aknot stuffs to non-aknot members is against their rules and wishes too. Ahaha. So let's just all be Diru fans who can't be as updated as possible. =D Oh yea.

I guess.. what I'm saying is.. to just.. KEEP IT DOWN. Sharing amongst ourselves without being obnoxious and blatantly sticking to the band's face won't do that much harm.

Aie. Whatever. I should've learnt by now that not many people can be talked sense into. x__x

Thanks for your input, Choco. (Although I'm not actually sure whether you're saying Don't panic about photos, or Don't share them so *obviously*... ☝ ... or whether you're saying it's good that they're shared, or bad because it's not what the band want... *is confused* @_@ ... whatever.)

Anyway, your reasoning is probably right because it's true that there are plenty of pics of them from their previous European concerts and them in the States last year. (It seems to be more 'pics with fans' that Diru don't really do... whether that's their choice or their management's I have no idea... I had an impression it had to do with the rabidness of fans in Japan but whether that's true or not I don't know... A girl on Batsu randomly met Die after a gig and he let her and her friend take pics with him, so on a personal level it would seem that he, at least, doesn't mind. )

I guess if they really are thinking of not going back to the US *ever*, there must be a very important reason for it, one that we're not likely to know, at least not unless the band come out and say it.

Nana007 said:

No I'm saying they can't do anything about the pics, because its technically not against the rules. The TOUR and the VENUE allow pics to be taken. Its just that Dir en grey/the Management has a rule against the pics. But since its not Dir en grey's Tour Dir en grey's rules don't count. So all they can do is request that pictures not be taken. But they really can't do anything about it.
But my thing is respect their wishes. Everybody takes "Dir en grey won't come back to America" as an empty threat. But the thing is it's not. Ever wondered why Dir en grey never went back to Asia (China, Hongkong, Taiwan...) after they toured there?

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I never thought about why they didn't go back there, because i knew LOL!! that's why the whole thing about people taking the -threat- lightly really pisses me off, because i don't think i should have to go all the way to japan just to see them, even though i plan on living there anyway. it's just the principle of the thing.

oh, but in contradiction to what i just said, i never saw photos from their previous us tour. anyone want to share? LOL! 8D

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sea monster spit said:

no idea what that is. LOL. :[

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it comes w/ photoshop

I'm sorry I confused you somewhat, Kinsao ^^;;;

I won't say, "Hell no, don't post FVT Diru pics at all, otherwise you're just a disrespectful fan! Shame on you!", cos that will be plain hypocritic of me. But I'm not going to force anyone into thinking sharing their pics is heroic or something either. To share publicly or not, it's still their choice and I have no right to judge them or their decisions.

But I do believe the panic level regarding the FVT pics is going a tad too crazy = =; I guess, one could say my believe is, "Don't over-panic, please still post the photos if you've intended to share them in the first place. But don't make it so damn obvious and loud. Just keep it down and all."

I would consider starting a brand new thread at an official forum or starting an entry at a really popular forum/community just to post a megaload of their FVT Diru pics as something that's too blatant and loud. (And preferably not spreading around too many photos of the Diru members taking individual shots with fans, etc =X)

Actually, there are photos of member/s of Diru taken individually with fans and such in Japan. It's just that they aren't as blatantly posted. Plus, most non-Japanese fans won't know exactly where to stalk when it comes to Japanese sites? ._.
Also, Japanese fans just generally don't have the habit of posting photos like that online. (They'll just keep it to themselves, framed, laminated and all) ^^;

sea monster spit, I just PM-ed you the pics. Give me a nudge or something if you have any problems downloading them ne.

has everyone here seen the clip with toshiya and die at one of the shows?
it's so hilarious!!! i just love toshiya! that boy is wild!!!!!*said with southern twang*

choco: wow... very interesting views on that.... i agree, though. no matter how much i would love for them to keep touring here in the states, if they don't want to come back, i would not blame them one bit. especially with what happened before and after the OKC show.

pixy false: o.o; no... i haven't....

<.<; i'm sure there was more that i would have said, but i don't remember what it was... i'm too far behind to find out.... <.<;

ooh, i'll have to watch that... but, it'll have to wait until i'm at a different computer.... ;.; the one i'm at is being too slow to load it, and i think i'm about to have to go.... damn computers and their everlasting slowness.... damn having to borrow computers, rather than being able to use my own! <.<;;;; ok, that was random... and so is this:

... he looks kinda sad in that one.... <.<; wonder what is on his mind.....
hehe.. "bai bai"... ok.. i think i have seen that dvd one too many times.... though, i've only seen it like... 10 times, tops.... <.<; i perfer the full concert dvds, as opposed to concert clips and random clips..... <.<; contridicting my need to be random.... ; i don't know....

... like i said... need to be random.... <.<; ^.^

I think if Dirus aren't gonna go to US anymore, they have their own reason for it.. (okay everyone knew that already =_=)
My opinion is that I'm against all the videos and pics that the "fans" take.. What I mean is that, picture yourself into Dirus position.. What would you say if you didn't want any pictures taken and still your "fans" would do that? I would be pissed XD So i think its pretty idiotic..


and btw
Does anyone have the translation for Ryoujoku no ame, I'm too lazy to look if it's already posted here..

It would totally suck if they didn't want to come to America anymore but then again it works both ways. Yes American vendors should have watched and noted how Diru acts in concert but shouldn't the band or their management have helped in the matter to? I mean Diru's kind of rock music isn't really as popular here as it is in Japan so vendors aren't really gonna be used to seeing the vocalist spitting out blood. And as for the whole picture thing, thats just going over the line by saying that they won't tour in a country just because their picture policy was violated, it's deeper than that. I wish the best for Diru 'cuz I love them and I hope they can get over whatever obsticle is keeping them from America.

Oh, btw, I'm new to this place so "hi, nice to meet you all!"

Translation from Ryoujoku no Ame taken from my CD cardboard sleeve thingy lol:

the lukewarn raindrops cause a deep wound, even to the innocent

a lie is born
and somewhere the lie becomes something else

someday, all the words, this day, and everything else will get buried in the mistake
i hold dear to me, the blue and pure memory

my hope fades away from the angry tears
even the strength to live....
in a fit of passion i go crazy with grief
and so, i pray to the setting sun

burning from the inside
crying with pain
you can not save me

the lost sense of generosity from the angry tears, is
the love given to me as i am born
the reason for my lost heart
must be my own weakness...?

it is then the proof of sadness, caused by absolute justice

in the lukewarm rain which doesn not stop...


And welcome to the forum Kagura!

thanks

Hi Choco. Hi Kagura

And Yes the FVT "fans" are quite out of hand. I post rarely on the forums because its so full of spam, fangirlism and all that other crap.
And yes all the things we do Japanese fans do as well. But they don't go posting them ALL over the place like crazy. For them its something private and special for them. But in the U.S its like I just have to prove "blah blah" so I'm going to tell about it everywhere and post pictures everywhere its like a virtual contest to see who has the bigger penis.

And having been spending alot of time on 2ch recently. I just must say the Japanese fans are laughing at us.

Also even though politics and all that do play a part in them not going back into Asia, thats not just it. After the tour the even said in interviews that they felt disrespected and such about all the things happening to them there.