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Continental Migrations from Korean Peninsula to Japanese islands

There are newly proposed hypotheses, and I will summarize the points made by four posters, Adulado, Kyushin, charlypanda Izur.

Many of posters don't discuss their statements in details, and I think it appropriate to examine them before the other members will get lost where to look, or to start.

Korean posters' hypotheses
  • Scenario: Gojoseon men are O2b* carriers
  • Scenario: Goguryeo men are O2b* carriers
  • Scenario: Goguryeo men and Gojoseon men are O2b* carriers, i.e., Goguryeo is a descendant of Gojoseon
  • Scenario: 40 percents of Japanese are sinitic, not altaic. O2b1 is borne in southern china.
  • Scenario: 28 percents of Japanese are non-sinitic, altaic. O2b1 was borne in Jilin Province of China.
  • Scenario: Ancient Koreans had two separate unmixed, tribes of each being purely O2b1 or O2b*.
  • Scenario: O2b1 carriers were first borne 7,870 years ago, O2b1 carriers crossed the sea to japan to become the 20 percents of present day japanese.

Up till now, scenario supposed that O2b was borne in Korea, or Manchuria, which is doubtful?

It is clear that 44.5 percents of koreans are O3 carriers (most common in chinese), and 20 percents of
Japanese are O3 carriers. (most common in chinese)

It is also clear that Manchus have only a few percents of O2b*.

Another question is,.. when were the O3's genetic variations? O2b1 was borne 7,870 years ago, and Okinawans have this O2b1 with a high frequency, and Okinawans didn't have notable records from influences from Korea...

O2, origin of all O2 haplogroups, was probably primitive tribes of south east asian people who migrated north.

List of charlypanda's hypotheses: (korean poster)
  1. Gojoseon men are O2b* carriers. But not Goguryeo men.
  2. Goguryeo men are O2b* carriers. But not Gojoseon men.
  3. Goguryeo men and Gojoseon men are O2b* carriers, i.e., Goguryeo is a descendant of Gojoseon.
  4. Koreans is not a part of Longshan culture.
  5. O2b1 was borne in Jilin Province of China.
  6. Koreans had two separate unmixed, tribes of each being purely O2b1 or O2b*.
  7. O2b1 was borne in Gojoseon, or Chaoxian tribe.
  8. O2b* was Gojoseon marker.
  9. This is as an axle of a car whereof left and right wheel RPM are differentiated. I think those who remain in Highland reproduce children less than who make
    that in fertile Lowland. Hence I suppose that Gaoyi might have been O2b and Liangyi O2b1.
  10. No Gojoseon as a state/nation existed, but Chaoxian Tribe, Highland Tribe.
  11. I'm imagining Tangun Korea was a part of Ceramic Comb Pottery, Bear Cult Zone that stretched from Pacific to Atlantic Ocean.
  12. 東夷族系向東北的遷徙，客觀上為中國東北地區的開發和建設作出了卓越的歷史貢獻。
    就其本身而言，則又進行了局部地區的演變與融合，
    最終便發展成了數量眾多的具有相同族源和相近文化的各個民族。
  13. Ancient mogols were korean, O2b* and O2b1. → A part of ancient Mongolians became a part of ancient Koreans
  14. Japanese emperor is/was korean. → LOL Wei's Chronicle says that Wo people once erected a man for king but all people didn't agree and then erected a queen. By the way, Korea is something that arouse a millenium later thereafter.
  15. Dongyi were Koreans. → Majority of Koreans are Dongyi.

All points were claimed without sources... Easy to spot that this korean did retract his statements every now and then, after his claims did not reveal to be favorable to Koreans self-images.

In a formal wording, historical revisionism...

List of Kyushin's hypotheses: (korean poster)
  1. Modern Japanese genes are recently made not as old as Korean genes.
  2. Han Chinese mutated O3 is O3d aka O3a4-M7
  3. Koreans share close proximity of mtDNA and autosomal DNA with Mongolian and Japanese.
  4. Gojoseon tombs revealed little info. about DNA because they are too old for extracting DNA analysis, so researchers used skull measurements to determine the origin. They've found Dolmen builders (Gojoseon people) may have originated from Central Asia.
  5. Qing Dynasty prohibited ethnic group to mix but this gradually stand down as many Mongolian and Manchus married Han Chinese.
  6. If Han Chinese were ancestor of Japanese/Koreans then they should also have O2b* + O2b1, also O3d-M7 aka O3a4, O1b-M110 + O2a1-M88 is absent from Koreans or Japanese.
  7. If Koreans were originated from Northern Han Chinese then Koreans should have O1b-M110, O2a1-M88 and O3d-M7 and would have transported this carriers to Japan, however Koreans don't have them thus Japanese don't have them too.
  8. This doesn't mean O2b is originated from SE Asia because O2b is not dominant y-Chromosome marker among SE Asian population. Who knows some Japanese/Koreans may have traveled far as SE Asia and spread their marker.
  9. Scientists are using Korean genes to measure the genetic distance between among East Asian because Koreans are known to be most homogeneous people in East Asia, more homogeneous than Japanese.

Reply to Kyushin..

(1) does not make sense at all.
(2) O3 composition of han chinese is similar to Koreans.
(3) Mongols do not have O2b*, uniquely korean genes.
(4) Koreans, O2b*, originated from Central Asia? Why does Central asian not have O2b*, uniquely korean genes?
(5) At time of Qing, Mongolians and Manchus population was immesurably small to the han chinese population.
(6) Why Han chinese people have similar composition of O3 YDNA to Koreans?
(7) "O3-M122(xO3a3c-M134) is found in China with about the same frequency as it is found in Korea".

Korean YDNA composition:
  1. 15/722 = 2.1 percents D (probably mostly D2 from Japan)
  2. 8/722 = 1.1 percents Y*(xC, DE, K) (including at least some J and F(xI, J2, H1, K))
  3. 101/722 = 14.0 percents C (probably all C3-M217(xC3c-M48))
  4. 42/722 = 5.8 percents K(xO) (including at least N1*(xN1a, N1b, N1c), N1a, N1c, NO(xN1, O), Q1a1, and R)
  5. 245/722 = 33.9 percents O(xO1a, O3) (mostly consists of O2b(xO2b1))
  6. 19/722 = 2.6 percents O1a
  7. 292/722 = 40.4 percents O3
(8) Koreans traveled to Vietnam, Malaysia, and Indonesia to contribute O2b? Any evidences or historical records?
(9) According to the YDNA frequency, Korean are not homogeneous. Please read the figure, before you post...

Adulado
  1. Wasn't clarified that o2b1 is a mutated form of o2b? also Okinawans also have Korean DNA and vice versa (Koreans have 17 percent Okinawan DNA, even more than the Japanese), I don't know in which period but Goryo style roof tiles was found in Okinawa.

(1) This is incorrect. 17 percents of Okinawans do have O2b1, uniquely japanese haplogroups..

List of Izur's hypotheses
  1. The fact that haplogroup O2b is not generally found in North Asia or continental East Asia (outside of Koreans and Manchus) is itself enough to throw serious doubt on any hypothesis of an ancient continental Manchurian origin.
  2. Hammer et al. (2005) have found haplogroup O2*-P31(xO2a-M95, O2b-SRY465/P49) in Han chinese
  3. I believe that the mitochondrial DNA, autosomal DNA, and phenotypic links that exist between Koreans and northern Asians can be explained by a largely shared matrilineal ancestry in addition to the portion of their patrilineal ancestry that is represented by haplogroup C3-M217.
  4. The present work provides evidence that peopling of Korea can be seen as a complex process, interpreted as an early northern Asian settlement with at least one subsequent male-biased southern-to-northern migration, possibly associated with the spread of rice agriculture. (Y chromosomes and mtDNA of Koreans, 2009, Han-Jun Jin, Chris Tyler-Smith, Wook Kim)
  5. O3-M122(xO3a3c-M134) is found in China with about the same frequency as it is found in Korea
  6. Haplogroup O3a3c-M134: Found frequently among Sino-Tibetan peoples, with a moderate distribution throughout East Asia and Southeast Asia.
  7. The only logical explanation is that O2b has entered some subgroups of the Southern Tungusic-speaking people very recently from Korea or Japan, and there is historical evidence for an influence from southwestern Japan ("Wa") to southern Korea ("Silla," "Baekje") and thence to Manchuria ("Goguryeo" > "Bohai" > "Manju");
  8. It is clear that haplogroup O3-M122 (including O3*, O3+LINE1, O3a3c*, and O3a3c1) is the most common Y-DNA haplogroup among modern Koreans, occurring in approximately 40% of all Korean males

In summary,

  1. The dominant O3 haprogroup of Japanese is O3a3c-M134, which is also dominant in southern chinese population. Koreans have less O3a3c-M134 than japanese, providing evidences that Japanese islanders O3a3c-M134 might be from Southern china during Ice age with land bridge between mainland and japanese islands.
  2. O3 genes were brought to Korean peninsula, and to Japanese isles separately. On average, Japanese have more O3a3c-M134 than Koreans, implying that Japanese islanders colonized korean peninsulas, and reproduced with korean women, and left smaller O3a3c-M134 in Korean peninsula.
  3. O2b1 is almost non-existent, or very few to be unnoticeable in Mongolia, China, Manchuria. O2b1 is also low frequency in Koreans (4 percents to 12 percents.), but high in Japanese, implying that Japanese colonized the southernmost koreans, and descendants reproduced with korean men, to leave traces of japanese genes, which were actually southern han chinese genes.


It is known by Gwanggaeto Stele...

而 倭 以 辛 卯 年 來 渡 海 破 百 殘 X X [X斤 (新)] 羅 以 爲 臣 民​

First Interpretation
"And in the sinmyo year the Wa (Japanese) came and crossed the sea and defeated Baekje, [unknown], and [Sil]la and made them subjects."
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Second Interpretation
"And in the sinmyo year Goguryeo came and crossed the sea and defeated Wa. Baekje made [unknown] and [Sil]la its subjects."
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Genetic evidences seem to support the first interpretation of Gwanggaeto Stele.. It is understandable koreans must hate japanese...




Three scenarios can be discussed here...

Scenario (By Kyushin, and Izur) O3 genes were brought to Korean peninsula, and to Japanese isles separately. Dual origins of two O3 gene types.​

During Ice age, there were hunter-gatherers in china, who carried the O2 genes. O2 people eventually mutated to become O2b* and migrated along the coastline to korean peninsula. However, the rice cultures and advanced people from china pushed those primitives, O2b* carriers, to only korean peninsula, to become the 17 percents of present day koreans?

Gojoseon, and Goguryeo men, O2b* carriers, were under the rule of Lelang Commandery (BC108-AD313). Korean women headed to reproduce with northern Han chinese men (O3 haplogroups other than O3a3c of southern chinese)? Many of Gojoseon defected to the southernmost korean peninsula formed the three countries?

During Ice age, southern chinese, mostly O3a3c-M134, crossed the land bridge between mainlands, and japanese islands. O2b* men, hunter-gatherers in china, also migrated to Okinawa in different periods? Those southern chinese colonized the primitive people of okinawa, and went on civilizing jomon people of japan. Some O2b* men went japanese islands, and then to Korean peninsula, leaving traces of japanese in korean peninsula. Around 7,870 years ago, O2b1 was formed in japanese islands?

Japanese O3a3c, and newly mutated O2b1 men crossed the sea and colonized korean peninsula. At the time of invasion, both Baekje and Silla men decreased because of Lelang Commandery (BC108-AD313) and weakened by Goguryeo invasions. When japanese primitive people invaded Baekje and Silla, many korean women flock to primitive japanese men, O3a3c-M134 and O2b1 carriers to survive the hardships, and reproduced the offsprings of O3a3c-M134 and O2b1, and then become 10-15 percents of present-day koreans with uniquely southern chinese genes, and become 4-12 percents of present day koreans carrying uniquely japanese genes ?
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or

Scenario (By Izur) In the Ice age, O2* carriers to migrate to Okinawa from southern china. 7,870 years ago, Okinawans mutated to become both O2b* and then O2b1 separately.​

During Ice age, southern chinese, hunter-gatherers or O2* carriers, crossed the land bridge between okinawa and mainlands, and colonized the primitive people of japan. 7,870 years ago or even before, O2* mutated to become O2b* and O2b1?

In the continent, Lelang Commandery (BC108-AD313) colonized the koreans, and brought the O3 genes by ruling northern han chinese to reproduce with korean women, and become 30 percents of present day koreans.

Around the time of Goguryeo, primitive people of japan, reproduced with very high rates supported by warm weather of the japanese islands. Japanese men, O2b* and O2b1 carriers, crossed the sea, and invaded Baekje and Silla to install their governments? Goguryeo, upon hearing the invasions of japanese, headed to the peninsula, and recolonized the southernmost korea filled with island barbarians?
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or



Scenario (By Izur) O2b1 was brought by Japanese to Korean peninsula, Baekje and Silla. O2b* was also brought to Japan from southern china, and to korean peninsula from japanese islands but O2b* was probably brought to korea much before 8000 years ago.​

Koreans ratio of O2b* (around 24 percents (14-33)) and O2b1 (around 8 percents (4-12) ) is around 3:1.
Japanese ratio of O2b* (around 6 percents (4-8)) to O2b1 (around 22 percents (19-25)) is 1:4.

To make sense, O2b* should be uniquely korean gene, and introduced to koreans 8000 years ago or even before. O2b1 should be uniquely japanese gene, and O2b* hunter-gathers who settled islands became O2b1 carriers to adjust different environments around 7,870 years ago.

Lelang Commandery (BC108-AD313) colonized and enslaved the Gojoseon, and Gojoseon women chose to marry northern han chinese of O3 other than O3a3c-M134, which resulted in the major decrease of O2b* genes (uniquely korean genes) in koreans. Only around 20 percents of present day Koreans carried this O2b*..

Around Goguryeo's zenith of power, Japanese primitive people, O2b1 and O3a3c-M134, invaded the southernmost korea, and many Silla and Baekje women chose to reproduce with ruling primitive people of japan, introducing the O2b1 to korean peninsula.​
 
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agnoni, I advise you to post your hypothesis not here but in a forum appropriate for that. Unless you want to be called a troll of course.
 

Han chinese settled korean peninsula from the time of Lelang Commandery (BC108-AD313)...



Adulado said:
agnoni, I advise you to post your hypothesis not here but in a forum appropriate for that. Unless you want to be called a troll of course.
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You made bold hypotheses that Okiwanans have more korean genes (17 percents of Okinawans) than Japanese without citation... which were wrong, 17 percents of Okinawans have O2b1 (uniquely japanese genes, borne 7,870 years ago)...

Thanks for the advise, but I want to have feedbacks who don't name-call other members trolls.. Initialy, You and Kyushin responded to this thread without complaining, now you are...
 
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agnoni said:
You made bold hypotheses that Okiwanans have more korean genes (17% of Okinawans) than Japanese without citation... which were wrong, 17 percents of Okinawans have O2b1 (uniquely japanese genes, borne 7,870 years ago).
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As I said go to forum appropriate for this kind of discussion where you can get a proper response which is according to consensus among specialists. instead of boldly claiming your fantasies trying desperately associating Koreans and chinese.
 
Adulado said:
As I said go to forum appropriate for this kind of discussion where you can get a proper response which is according to consensus among specialists. instead of boldly claiming your fantasies trying desperately associating Koreans and chinese.
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I am not. I am just summarizing korean's arguments. Summary needs a reality check, and that's why I quoted the frequency of haplotypes, and some of you made bold hypotheses without giving any citation.

We need credibility check...
 
agnoni said:
I am not. I am just summarizing korean's arguments. Summary needs a reality check, and that's why I quoted the frequency of haplotypes, and some of you made bold hypotheses without giving any citation.
We need credibility check...
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then go to some other forum, there's little point in posting what is gibberish to most people here.
 
That info. appears to be false, because O2 is father of all O2# markers just like what you've described earlier. Where did you get this false info. from? I like to verify the source.
To me you don't have knowledge in reading Y-chromosome.
Here is full tree for yDNA Hap group "O"
- Since I don't have right to post 3rd party links, I'll need to wait until I have accumulated enough posts.

isogg(dot)org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpO07(dot)html
O2 --> O2a & O2b --> O2a1 & O2b1
- This is how you read the Hap tree.
 

Btw,
1. I did not provided any hypothesis, my comments were based on scientific fact not some fantasies.

2. We don't know if Gojoseon/Dolmen builders was O2b carriers considering their samples were too old for extracting DNA evidence. Scientists can only use their remaining skulls to measure against to other skulls from same era to find out their origin.

3. As I have pointed earlier, the location of Lelang is disputed and it didn't covered all of Korea. It's commandery aka fortress not large city center. Furthermore, your map source is from Chinese, which I do not trust any Chinese sources considering 95% of their history was fabricated according to Chinese scholar.

4. Your hypothesis is based on wrong information by judging from your lack of DNA analysis knowledge, also there are latest DNA analysis report done which will give you more precise information due to latest analysis deployed more advanced analysis technology & method.
 

That isn't source at all. That is taxonomy, which let different researchers to speak and use the same terminology. Please cite the proper academic research papers, not the terminology dictionary.

Kyusin said:
That info. appears to be false, because O2 is father of all O2# markers just like what you've described earlier. Where did you get this false info. from? I like to verify the source.
To me you don't have knowledge in reading Y-chromosome.
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Haplogroup O2b
Time of origin 6,300 [600–37,000] years

Haplogroup O2b1
Time of origin 7,870 [5,720–12,630] years ago[8]
Place of origin perhaps the Japanese archipelago
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Here is the source..

  • Toru Katoh, Batmunkh Munkhbat, Kenichi Tounai et al., "Genetic features of Mongolian ethnic groups revealed by Y-chromosomal analysis," Gene (2004). doi:10.1016/j.gene.2004.10.023
  • Michael F. Hammer, Tatiana M. Karafet, Hwayong Park et al., "Dual origins of the Japanese: common ground for hunter-gatherer and farmer Y chromosomes," Journal of Human Genetics (2006) 51:47–58

Those papers were written by reputed researchers on this field. You just denounced it as false.. Are you that smart? Are you a professor in molecular biology? Can you please give us your real names? Academicians are more open to give their real names than other professions..

List of Kyushin's claims
  1. my (Kyushin's) comments were based on scientific fact not some fantasies.
  2. I (Kyushin) do not trust any Chinese sources considering 95 percents of their history was fabricated according to Chinese scholar.
  3. Scientists can only use their remaining skulls to measure against to other skulls from same era to find out their origin.

(3) After all those statements, you gave up genetics?
(1) you never supplied the citation, and yet you call your bold assertions as scientific facts?

Scientific facts should look this... and


Anyhow, I want to have a rest.. I want other members to read and reply to this thread, not from those who made wrong conclusions, and when mistakes revealed, started to call OP as trolls, or not from those who never supplied the citation, yet denouce the most reputed scholars researchs.
 
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1) the Japanese rice tcame from southern china directry in genetics
it was not from by way of Korean peninsula
2)cormorant fishing
it is never seen in korean peninsula.
3) D2 chromosome
40~45％of Japanese have D2
it is not that all Jomon ppl had D2 until getting to Japan
end of Jomon ppl's population was only 80,000.
However 40~45％; of japanese have D2
In the migration at ancient times, male was subjects.
And, it conquered.
to be kept about 40％ ...
1) Yayoi ppls immigrant was very small group/year for one thousand years
i think max was 100ppls
It was expelled even though it was a big groups.

4) language
Between Japan and Korea, there is no common word
It looks like the language of Okinawa that is further than Korea.
According to historical doccument, anciet Wa PPl advanced to korea oppositely...

 
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Your sources from 2004/2006 and your y-chromosome is largely based from Chinese source. There are latest report from 2009 done by non-Asian which is more balanced than some propaganda reports from Asia, as I pointed out before, this forum forbids me for quoting 3rd party links & photos. So I'll need to accumulate posts before I can start giving you the latest report.

"Genetic features of Mongolian ethnic groups revealed by Y-chromosomal analysis," Gene (2004). - This study concentrate on Mongolian ethnic not Japanese.

"Dual origins of the Japanese: common ground for hunter-gatherer and farmer Y chromosomes" - Again this basically tells there are dual origins, doesn't show O2b1 is older than O2b. You can't denied the fact O2b1 is muted gene from O2b, my original quote is to teach you how to read Y-chromosome markers as you seems you misunderstood.

Now, I asked you once again, where did you get your proof of O2b1 is older than O2b?
 

I wish your fantasy is true but it isn't the case.

1) Japanese rice farming culture directly originating from China is just another hypothesis not definite fact.

2) cormorant fishing is nothing do with early human migration theory. It's interesting you've brought this up because Chinese claims this as their fishing culture too.

3) D2 marker evidence just show Japanese have dual origins, 40%~45% is bit extreme because 3% make big difference in genetic mapping. Should have wrote 35~39% because average seems tobe 36% for Japanese.

4) Yayoi immigrants changed face of Japan with O2b & O3 as well as other markers. Read some reports like agnoni have posted "Dual origin of Japanese".

5) Hence language of Japan and Korea is now under isolated category which mean it does not associate with any other languages. The only thing is shared is loan Chinese words and altaic words. For many untrained ears, modern Korean spoken language sound like closer to Mongolian than any other languages in the world.

Linguistic comparison is not really related to genetic, it's under culture. You could be African with English/French language as first language. which doesn't prove anything.
 

Am I seeing illusions of two research papers in your post??
you can post the name of studies. You don't need to post the link for a time being, but you can post the title/authors/institutions/publushed years..

Your sources from 2004/2006 and your y-chromosome is largely based from Chinese source.
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  1. Toru Katoh, Batmunkh Munkhbat, Kenichi Tounai et al., "Genetic features of Mongolian ethnic groups revealed by Y-chromosomal analysis," Gene (2004). doi:10.1016/j.gene.2004.10.023
  2. Michael F. Hammer, Tatiana M. Karafet, Hwayong Park et al., "Dual origins of the Japanese: common ground for hunter-gatherer and farmer Y chromosomes," Journal of Human Genetics (2006) 51:47–58
Both papers were NOT written by chinese. And I don't think Hammer's studies had any things related to chinese, not even remotely... You denounced the research as if those scholars fabricated scientific facts, which must be quiet insulting to the reputed scholars. Again, are you that smart to ditch those researchers like this??
Kyusin said:
Again this basically tells there are dual origins,
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  • To me you don't have knowledge in reading Y-chromosome.
You are not reading the papers..? aren't you..? If you are super-duper smart, even smarter than the reputed researchers in molecular biology, you can go and read, and verify that easily...
Here is your own sentence..
  • That info. appears to be false, because O2 is father of all O2# markers just like what you've described earlier.
  • Now, I asked you once again, where did you get your proof of O2b1 is older than O2b?
It sounds contradictory... You insisted I described one thing, and then tell something contrary? But even from the beginning, I did not speak any conclusive relationship between O2b* and O2b1..

You proposed some kinds of definition in a fairly unscientific way, and insisted that taxonomy (isogg(dot)org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpO07(dot)html) is a scientific fact. However, taxonomy or tree is merely intended to let the researchers to speak the same terminology.
All I posted was:
Haplogroup O2b
Time of origin 6,300 [600–37,000] years
Haplogroup O2b1
Time of origin 7,870 [5,720–12,630] years ago[8]
Place of origin perhaps the Japanese archipelago
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It just shows that there are hypotheses on the papers I quoted. Your definition of disputable (wide interval) haplogroups, being older or younger, is not scientific. There are intervals in the time of origin, and in the case of O2b* and O2b1, it does not say older or younger than one another. There are some disputable scientific facts open to interpretations..
 
Reagrdless these sources are true or not it should not be discussed here.
 
Japanese rice farming culture directly originating from China is just another hypothesis not definite fact
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it is not discoverd old rice paddies in korean peninsula
Japonica is not found there yet
Japanica' DNA is not found even north east China



3) D2 marker evidence just show Japanese have dual origins, 40%~45% is bit extreme because 3% make big difference in genetic mapping. Should have wrote 35~39% because average seems tobe 36% for Japanese.
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Jomon ppl was only 80,000 in Japan...

35％is still big number. that is, 1/3 Japanese has Jomon Gen.
we can see another example in South America. most of them were killed...?

Linguistic comparison is not really related to genetic, it's under culture. You could be African with English/French language as first language. which doesn't prove anything
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we see it in Bonin Islands
http://nihongo.human.metro-u.ac.jp/~long/bonins/default.html
Creole language
Creole language - Wikipedia
if they came to japan with large groupe, here might be many Creole language


Yayoi immigrants changed face of Japan with O2b & O3 as well as other markers. Read some reports like agnoni have posted "Dual origin of Japanese
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it was not sudden changed...
the Japanese face is clearly changed last 50years so much boceuse of food
In other words, a face narrowed.
At least 60% of my friend is a Jomon face. ＾＾

it is not that all jomo ppl has D2
until they came to Japan. they also mixed
 
Please read:
Male Demography in East Asia: A North–South Contrast in Human Population Expansion Times
worldwideweb.genetics.org/content/172/4/2431.full

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Ancient Japanese language originated from Korean invader
blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/05/2000-years-of-yayoi-japanese-are-gaikokujin/
 
Finding on Dialects Casts New Light on the Origins of the Japanese People
By NICHOLAS WADE
The New York Times


what a miserable theory...


I wrote this before...
the korean and the Japanese are brother of same mother and different Fahter


 
^ Parental gene isn't just simple as man and woman, how many modern Japanese have D2 Y-chromosome marker? DNA analysis can be fruit pick as you like, but you can't deny the influence of ancient Koreans to Japanese population. Korean men also have D2 marker too, just that not prominent as Japanese men, this doesn't mean simple as Japanese father and Korean father because both share 40~60% O2/O3 markers which is Mongolic markers for all NE Asian, other genes are 50% non-Mongolic markers. How come Mongolian, Evenk, Manchu, Siberian, Koreans and Japanese women share closest mt-DNA??? are this mean Mongolian, Evenk, Manchu, Siberian, Koreans and Japanese have same mothers just different fathers?

Under genetic tree using autosomal gene to everything else including blood & tissue protein, Japanese are Koreans shared common ancestral gene making it almost impossible to be listed as separate genetic tree. Please note, the genetic gap between modern Korean and modern Japanese is lot smaller than genetic gap between Southern han Chinese and Northern han Chinese. Not too mentioned both are grouped together. With regards to native Japanese words, even Koreans have native words that sound extremely similar to native Japanese words.
 
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