British versus American phrases, words, spellings

Ok time to throw a spanner into the works lol.
I have heard the word 'gotten' in usage over here, it is rare to hear it but when it is used it refers to something in the past, for example 'He had gotten himself into trouble and had been arrested' or 'She had gotten herself pregnant'.
According to the Collins English dictionary, 'gotten' is listed as mainly being used in the US and it the past participle of 'get'. But it is slowly being used more over here in the UK.
 
hmmm interesting topic this, with many ways it can go. in my understanding "gotten" means "to have got". Many different words have the same meaning but time has also changed the way words are used. The word "gay" now has two meanings but in the past it used to mean "happy, lively".
I remember when my auntie came to stay from america she asked me to get her pocket book? This is what in england we call a purse, her purse was what we call a handbag!! It got very confusing.
 
I think "spanner" means "wrench" in the U.S. (a tool for twisting bolts).

"Pocketbook" is still used here, but not as much as it was maybe 20 years ago. "Purse" is also used, but not "handbag".
 
Well once again we have different uses of a word in the USA, as handbag is used where I live. :) It's all a matter of geography!
 
Yes, I think maybe "pocketbook" is used more in the south. Going from the southern U.S. to the north is almost like going to a different country!
 
I think American English is much easier to understand.

I remember when I was like 6/7 years old, in school they used to make us listen to The Beatles cause everyone said it was so easy to understand their lyrics. Well, to me it was obvious that Mick Jagger sang clearer than Paul McCartney. xD I think that is because of the movies since most of them are made in Hollywood (I mean the ones that become famous and ****). That really makes a difference cause when I first went to England (and everytime I've been there) everyone thought I was American and apart from what I've just said, there is no other reason why I'd have an American accent.

Australian sounds sweet too. ^^
 
Yes Sarapva you would call a 'spanner' a 'wrench' over in the States, but over here in the UK, a 'wrench' means either to twist one of your limb joints so injuring a joint - i.e. 'to wrench one's ankle', or to force something away from what it is attached to - i.e. 'to wrench a door off its hinges', or it can mean a large adjustable spanner which some people call a torque wrench.
 
Ok time to throw a spanner into the works lol.
I have heard the word 'gotten' in usage over here, it is rare to hear it but when it is used it refers to something in the past, for example 'He had gotten himself into trouble and had been arrested' or 'She had gotten herself pregnant'.

According to the Collins English dictionary, 'gotten' is listed as mainly being used in the US and it the past participle of 'get'. But it is slowly being used more over here in the UK.

E_H you're quite right, you may hear it in a blue moon over here, but it's still not 'correct'!

I think it's mainly heard in regional dialects, and I don't think it is increasing in use around London. I can't remember when I last heard it (or even hearing it at all) around London or the South-East - and if I did it almost certainly wasn't from a local!

I seem to remember something interesting about all this 'gotten' stuff, but I can't find the source right now, so treat it just as speculation on my part for now. It was that 'gotten' was originally the British form that went out of use. It persisted in the US, though, and is just one example of ways in which American English is closer to the 'original' English than the present British version!

One reason for this is that settlers from England tended to be more conservative about language than the society they left behind, being distanced from its development, and thus perhaps also either obscured from, or disinterested in, the changes being made back home. This phenomenon is known as 'colonial lag' (and if you're interested in English I urge you to search out and read more about it!)

That's why there's a mountain village in Peru, high up in the Andes that speaks archaic Welsh exclusively - imagine that!!
 
Yep it hurts more if you wrench your ankle than if you just twist it or sprain it...at least to me! Wrench is just more dramatic!
 
mos I have heard it being said by school kids in my area, I think they watch too many tv channels and pick up what they hear from them.

Thats true Goldengirl, but breaking a joint or bones hurts even more, I should know.
 
"Wrench" seems to mean pulling and twisting at the same time, which is interesting because the tool wrench mainly just twists (I think).

made of stone - It's interesting you should bring up old settlers keeping their own language and culture. I've just been reading Martin Fletcher's "Almost Heaven" where he describes an almost-African village on an island in Georgia in the U.S. They still speak some of the African language of their ancestors (who were brought here from Africa as slaves, something I think is terribly shameful for our country). Martin Fletcher is an Englishman who traveled around the U.S. and wrote a book about it.
 
I find it funny that while most languages in the world converge towards English by borrowing words from it, English keeps diverging from its own self.
 
One thing that can be said is that over the generations English keeps incorporating words from other languages and yes Hudzon other languages keep taking words from ours. I think one day this planet will have a universal language made from three or four different languages.
 
Gay means the same in the US...uncool etc, but it also means a homosexual person. You have to take in to account how it is being used. It was a popular slang word in high school, but it could get you in trouble as much as curse word. I never could understand that.[snip]

The use (misuse, really) of "gay" to mean "uncool", "lame", etc. is clearly derived from negative attitudes about gay men and lesbians (primarily gay men). It is a way of attacking homosexuals while pretending to be doing something else. The only logical/reasonable source of the negative meaning of "gay" is negative attitudes about homosexuals (primarily gay men). Oscar Hammerstein II was mistaken. It is not really necessary that children be "carefully taught" to hate. Unfortunately, it comes quite easily to many of them, adult sentimentality about childhood notwithstanding.
 
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We never cared about it's meaning for a "gay" person. We were 9 years old and didn't now what a homosexual was. It was the adults that knew what it meant. They certainly didn't take us aside and explain to us why the word could be hurtful to some. I hear the kids say it today and it doesn't bother me as I don't associate it with a homosexual. I don't like the term gay for men and lesbian for women. That's just the way I see it.
 
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We never cared about it's meaning for a "gay" person. We were 9 years old and didn't now what a homosexual was. It was the adults that knew what it meant. They certainly didn't take us aside and explain to us why the word could be hurtful to some. I hear the kids say it today and it doesn't bother me as I don't associate it with a homosexual. I don't like the term gay for men and lesbian for women. That's just the way I see it.

From my own observation, people who are of high school and even college age use "gay" as an insult. That usage certainly did not originate with children as old as 9. It had to originate with younger people who knew of its application to homosexuals, and used it to mean "You're just like a gay person," which is to say, a slightly oblique way of calling someone a "fag" (that would make its use against a female a bit strange, but we are talking about people who are inclined to use language in strange ways). Different people will have different language preferences, but I think the use of "gay" (for men) and "lesbian" (for women) is quite reasonable. To many of us, simply using "homosexual" sounds a bit clinical and has a whiff of disdain.
 
I usually have no need to know anyones sexual prefernece or what have you. I don't refer to my self as straight or heterosexual when I talk to people it is something that is my business and no one elses and I don't feel I need to classify myself with a special or politcally correct name or label. I would never use the word gay to infer that it was regarding "gay" men. Fag, which is used for a cigarette in the UK to me sounds derogatory. We never said gay to mean a homosexual, if that was what was meant, kids would use fag or homo! Really I don't want to start a thread on what names to call people. We are all humans and thats that, it doesn't matter race, color, creed or sexual orientation. I'll like you or not by who you are, not what you choose to call yourself. :)
 
Ok before we go way off topic, which no-one really wants to see happen, well I dont, lets try and get back on topic by me asking a question.

What do we all call the money that we use? Over here in the UK, we do refer to the money that we use by various words, two of them are 'Dosh' and 'Quid'.
 
Hey, this is a really interesting thread. I love words! :)

Most of the differing American/British words that I know have already been mentioned by some people... I did read in a Bill Bryson book once that what we call Polyfilla (actually a brand name that gets used kind of generically, like Hoover), Americans call 'spackle'. I like that word better! :D

We call the underground room either 'cellar' or 'basement' here in the UK, but the way I understand it, 'cellar' is more like a storage room whereas a 'basement' (or sometimes 'semi-basement') is an underground room/apartment where you can actually live (i.e. 'He had a basement flat').

Hehe, I confused a Canadian girl I was chatting with once when I mentioned wellies. She thought I was talking about underwear!

We also have Subway (the sandwich shop) in the UK! (It always amuses me to see their poster advertising 'sub of the week' because I instinctively think of 'sub' as in 'submissive' in bdsm-related terms... lol *wants to try the sub of the week* :D)

On difference I have noticed between American and British English that no one has mentioned yet... Americans tend to just say 'go...' where a British person would say 'go and...' - for example I'd say 'I'll just go and find her', but I think an American would be more likely to say 'I'll just go find her'... ? :?

Like mos, I've also heard that 'gotten' is actually an 'archaic' English word that has fallen out of use here but it's still grammatically correct to use it in British English. (I heard this from my mum who studied English Lit at uni in the '70s; part of their course included studying Old English and Anglo-Saxon so no doubt that was where she picked up the info.)

Oh, another thing I've noticed is that Americans call cushions 'pillows'. For a British person a pillow is what you rest your head on in bed (so what do Americans call them? :mad: ).

One thing that confuses me a bit are the various distinctions between trainers/sneakers/pumps/plimsolls. :mad: We say trainers and plimsolls in the UK and pumps is also sometimes used to refer to shoes like plimsolls (although I hardly ever hear it; is it regional?) but 'sneakers' isn't used at all here (afaik). So are sneakers like trainers? And do Americans ever talk about 'trainers' or 'plimsolls'? :? :D

A word for money that I can think of that's used here is 'spondoolies'. This was absolutely new to me until my boss sprang it on me a couple of months ago! :D I was like 'What?' and he was like 'It's a slang word for money'... and when I asked around the office everyone else had heard of it except me! 😆
 
For money, I think in the U.S. we just say "money" or "dollars": "It cost 20 dollars". Some slang words for money (that you hear mostly in movies) are "dough", "bread", "smackaroos" (flippant): "How much dough ya got?" "That'll be one hundred smackaroos." "Grand" is a semi-slang word for "one thousand dollars": "It cost ten grand!"

"Spackle" is used here for plaster filler. I've also heard "joint compound" or "mud".

Yes, Americans do say "I'll go find her" more often than "go and". Another thing is that Americans say "I'll try to spell better", whereas in England I think it's "I'll try and spell better".

As for cushions and pillows, we do call bed pillows "pillows" in the U.S., and use "cushions" and "pillows" for small pillows on a couch or chair.

There's another one - "couch" or "sofa" in the U.S., and "settee" (? - that might be an old word) in the UK.

"Sneakers" or "tennis shoes" used to be used here for "trainers" (I've heard "cross-trainers" here, but not "plimsolls"). They've become so common that for a while they were all called "athletic shoes", but now they're broken down into specific categories like "walking" or "running" shoes, or "hiking boots".

My mother mentioned another difference she remembers - in England she said they used the term "reel of cotton" that here we call a "spool of thread".
 
Most of the spelling changes were intentional. After the American Revolution, Noah Webster intentionally changed the spellings so that American English would differ from the British variety. He then published this in the first Webster's dictionary.
Here are a few more...
US / UK
Flashglight = Torch
Two weeks = Fortnight (I've also seen this as forenight and fornight, so this may be a regional difference in UK English)
Jerk = Git
High Falootin' = Pompous (The American is regional to the Southern U.S. only)
Pharmacist = Chemist
Large = Thousand (only when referring to money. For example, 10 large is $10,000.)
Erasers = Rubbers
Rubbers = Condoms
 
Hmmm....does anyone use the word davenport for their couch? More slang words for money in the US...green backs, sawbuck (10 dollar bill).
 
I've heard the word "davenport", but never used it. I've also heard "day bed", meaning a bed-like couch in the living room.

I forgot those slang words for money - "bucks" is another word for "dollars": "That cost 30 bucks."
 
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