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I have been informed ! that come april , there will be a ban on japanese in the uk.
As a japanese sword collecter, i would like to here other peoples oppinions.
 
I thought they were already banned, aparentely my father's friend got deported back to Japan, because he had a Kitana in his bag (not sure why he had it though...)
 
There has been a few problems with gangs using them to intimidate people, & four killings, Which i dont feel there is justification for a complete ban.

This goverment is set out to please every minority group, that complains.
They are making it more difficult for the true collecter.
Look what happened when they banned guns!
There are more guns than ever on the streets.
 
this happened a while ago and although the government assures people its only for the cheap swords, and that collectors and martial artists won't be affected you probably will have to go through a ton of paperwork for any new sword
 
It seems to be punishing everyone for the misdeeds of a few. They'll have to put a ban on kebab skewers and other pointy sticks next so no one puts their eye out.

Although, a ban on cheap swords could possibly make things easier for a real sword collector/dealer to ensure the quality of their merchandise, I suppose.
 
There are so many tools of manslaughter, criminals will just use something else.
 
I'm not sure on the current laws of owning non-antique swords, but as far as i am aware it is perfectly ok to own a sword as long as it is an antique and you are an adult.
 
Derfel said:
There are so many tools of manslaughter, criminals will just use something else.
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As the gun advocates say, a criminal will use any weapon he wants. Making bans only prevents the "good guys" from having a fair chance.
 
i dont think think it has anything to do with that but
that some guys were killed by some hoodlums that happened to use cheap knock off katana's
News
 
It has more to do with this, than you think, because the idea of using a sword for such things, stems from such "traditions", and are very vivid still, and just again.
No japanese sword collector or owner is without this knowledge, consciously or not.
 
It's indeed a sad thing if it would happen for the people who are collectors of it.

Chi65... I agree with pugtm, I don't think THAT has anything to do with it. interesting article though.
 
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Interesting reasons from all sides..

I remember when they brought in new laws here in that we couldn't sell knives to udner 18 year olds. The over 18's if we suspected under had to provide us with ID..

The crime was to much..

Samurai Swords and Tanto Knives were our best sellers..

I must contact my friend's wife now and let her now as Kim collects swords..

Always amazed me how anyone could purchase replica handguns in Japan which is highly illegal in Australia unless one has a firearm licence.

These things after-all, are weapons, and are dangerous in unstable hands..
 
Well, I do still think as said before, knowing many backgrounds, that you might not or not yet, DB.
It may well play a role in this too. Be it politically. . .

And yes, thats the point, KR: unstable hands. Problem is, its not a question of age only. . .
 
Chi65 said:
Problem is, its not a question of age only. . .
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I'm only 39.9 you know;-)

And to think that people used to fight one on one with swords..

What year did the Samurai disolve?

Were the swords an original Samurai thing or did all carry them?

Just a thought...

Derfel said:
There are so many tools of manslaughter, criminals will just use something else.
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Most definitely and that's the point..
It has to start somewhere, let's face it..
Hopefully one day we will get to the end of it..
 
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As for the present and collector's Japanese sword, it was originally meant for Samurais, yes, and it was very well also meant for behaedings, for example. In fact, if you see the mentioned film, you will also see, that beheadings were also used for trying the sword out. . .In the war at least.
If and how this also applies to the original use, has to be found out via google, I suppose.
But it is commonly known in relation to japanese swords.

Another point is, this film has been shown in several places, incl. sundance in the USA with very high scores, which is as much frequented by international visitors, thus its very wellknown already. Also here in Berlin it was shown several times. . . with as many international visitors. The film itself is a warning on many subjects, but based on this sword. . .and it comes out in April. . .

So, whoever might have thought, that "incidence" (see pugtm) was just an exception, must have changed its mind in that relation, particularly since certain memories keep coming up in relation to sword and cruelty and Japan. . .

To make the final bow would in fact be, to observe the whole Japanese sword business with more attention. . .that "incident" may very well have only confirmed and forced this.

Its a different thing with certain japanese (spiritual!) sword exercises, which is the result of a very wise use of the sword and includes the fact, that the exerciser in the normal life does not even need a sword any more. But thats another story alltogether.

In fact, it comes to my mind, that the sword in about this form comes from China (further developped in Japan). We all know many according films indeed. But also in their films, it is often used in a far more spiritual sense, hoping for grown up watchers. As is in many animes/Mangas.
But the present tendencies, to put this into deadly action, makes it very well necessary to observe it.
Why just japanese swords, well, see the first lines.
I personally would think, it should cover a wider range of observation than just Japan.

As for the Samurais, to my knowledge, at least all higher ranks, not only Samurais, had one at least, to correct myself. But maybe some know better?
 
Japanese knives are great, btw!

But honestly, they often buy our German ones too. Maybe for something they simply have to be smaller than their own ones. . .

Yes, true, where would such bannings stop?. . .
Are there still enough flintstones around? ;-)
 
That clears uip for me DB.. 'Imitation' which doesn't mean authentic original type models..

Totally udnerstandable..

The one's we sold in our camping stores came on a stand, and were not sharpened.

Of course they were marked ready for a D.I.Y.

So does this mean to collect swords, the real sharpened version, one must be licensed in the UK?

Chi65 said:
Japanese knives are great, btw!

But honestly, they often buy our German ones too. Maybe for something they simply have to be smaller than their own ones. . .

Yes, true, where would such bannings stop?. . .
Are there still enough flintstones around? ;-)
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German stuff is great.. My first beer was at Uncle John's upstairs (when I was a kid).. A true German gentleman, and boat builder living on a beautiful river frontage near Sydney in a self built German style house..

I think uncle John may have had a samurai sword;-)

Back on topic..

"They should be banned because they are dangerous"
 
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Question: have they been fighting flintstone to flintstone then?. . . .that would have been "fun", any which way!

BTW, Wiki has some interesting informations on Samurai and Katana (this special samurai long sword, there are also other shorter swords, btw).
No need to post a link, just google.
 

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