～まし / あそばせ / とてつもなくやかましかった

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eeky

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Hi,

1. 「あたくしの前で、あの女のことは口にしないでくださいまし！」

I think I may have asked a similar question before, but I cannot now locate the thread. Is this ～まし ending normal in standard Japanese, or is it characteristic of a certain dialect or special way of speaking?

2. 「勉強をどうぞお続けあそばせ！」

What is the meaning of あそばせ in this sentence? I guess it is from 遊ぶ, but I cannot figure out the purpose here.

3. それに、談話室はとてつもなくやかましかった。

What is とてつもなくやかましかった? I am not even sure where the word boundaries lie.

 

Toritoribe

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1)
It's the latter. Here's the thread you are looking for.
くださいまし / いいえ | Japan Forum

2)
"お/ご + -masu stem of verb/stem of -suru verb + あそばす" is an honorific, and あそばせ is the imperative form of it. It has the same nuance as くださいまし.

あそばす【遊ばす】
３ （補助動詞）「お…あそばす」「ご（御）…あそばす」の形で用いて、尊敬の意を表す。「お読み―・せ」「御免―・せ」「いろいろ御苦労―・すそうで」

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あそばす【遊ばす】の意味 - 国語辞書 - goo辞書

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とてつもなく / やかましかった
途轍もないの英語・英訳 - goo辞書 英和和英
喧しいの英語・英訳 - goo辞書 英和和英

 

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Thank you ... I'm sure I looked up やかましい, but I suppose I must have mistyped it.

 

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Toritoribe, something that still puzzles me about (2) is whether there is any element of "causative" about this use of あそばす, and, if so, how a causative makes sense in the case of 勉強をどうぞお続けあそばせ. Who is being told to cause what to whom (or let whom do what)?

 

Toritoribe

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す is originally from an auxiliary verb for honorific, not causative. せ is the imperative form of it, as I wrote. (If it's causative, the imperative form should be せよ, せろ or せい.)

《動詞「あそぶ」の未然形＋尊敬の助動詞「す」から》

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あそばす【遊ばす】の意味 - 国語辞書 - goo辞書

す
［助動］［さ｜し｜す｜す｜せ｜せ］

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す［助動］の意味 - 国語辞書 - goo辞書