来れなくなった - to Suddenly Not Come

MrBen

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I've been led to believe that the phrase 来れなくなった means - to suddenly not come. Which is fine and dandy, but I'm struggling to see the grammatical structure here. Could any of you help pull the wool from my eyes?

Disclaimer, I'm a beginner at best, but it always irks me when I can't understand something.

Thanks in advance for your time

 

Toritoribe

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It should be 来られなくなった. Indeed 来れなくなった is used in conversations, but this is so-called ら抜き言葉 and considered grammatically wrong. I recommend learners against using it.

来られなくなった means "became not to be able to come".
来られない: the negative potential form of 来る
-ku form of an i-adjective + なる: to become~

 

MrBen

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Thank you, that clears things up! 来れなくなった was given as an explanation to what I can only assume was an even 'slangier' phrase. My friends are adamant I'm to learn they way they speak >.> Thank you very much for your help!

 

Mike Cash

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Learn the rules first, then learn to break them. Your friends no doubt mean well, but they're not doing you any favors.

 

MrBen

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Oh, I've no doubt, and I'd certainly rather learn 'by the book', as it were, and in terms of study, I try my best to, but unfortunately, I can't pick and choose my friends. However, this his given me the opportunity to learn about 'ra dropped' words, so you can bet I won;t make the same mistake twice! Every cloud has a silver lining eh?

Thanks for your advice!

 

lanthas

　

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If you were to come across another sentence fragment that you suspect is shortened/slang in the future, this may be useful to you: サービス終了のお知らせ
I found it a while ago while searching for the meaning of なったんなら (as written in a manga) - curiously it turns out that this stands for the shorter なったら.

Also this, specifically the section about "guyspeak": Japanese Tips

 

Mike Cash

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lanthas said:

If you were to come across another sentence fragment that you suspect is shortened/slang in the future, this may be useful to you: サービス終了のお知らせ
I found it a while ago while searching for the meaning of なったんなら (as written in a manga) - curiously it turns out that this stands for the shorter なったら.

Also this, specifically the section about "guyspeak": Japanese Tips

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I would think なったんなら is a shortening of なったのなら(ば)

 

Toritoribe

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Right. Unfortunately, the source he found is 飛騨方言（＝飛騨弁）辞書 "Hida dialect dictionary". なったんなら is the n-euphonic change of なったのなら, and different from なったら in standard Japanese. For instance, the -nara conditional なったんなら/なったのなら can be used for a real fact, but the -tara conditional なったら can't.
e.g.
病気になったんなら、教えてくれればよかったのに。
In this sentence, the addressee really got sick and the speaker complained why he/she didn't tell it to the speaker. The -tara conditional 病気になったら can't be used here since 病気になった is a real fact.

 

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Thanks for the elaboration. There's always more to it than you think, isn't there...