忙しいのに / 丁寧な申し出... / 相手の返事... / 聞く

[eeky]

Hello,

1. Someone has offered to show a friend around their home town. The friend replies:

そうですか。忙しいのに悪いですね。

My literal translation of this is "Really? It's difficult for you when you are busy." (i.e., in more natural English, "That's good of you when you're so busy.")

Is this correct? I'm interested in the literal translation, especially the exact function of のに and the meaning of 悪い (e.g. "difficult for you", "bad of me to impose", or whatever).


2. This is a note on the use of お～しましょうか:

丁寧な申し出、相手・相手の物に対してする場合。

I can't make head nor tail of this. All I get is nonsense like "Polite proposal, situation when you do (something) towards/regarding the other person or other person's thing(s)."


3. The following is a note on the use of expression (私が)～します/しましょう, in the context of making an offer of help:

相手の返事を聞かなくてもいい場合。

To me, this appears to mean "(This expression) can be used when you haven't heard the other person's reply". I can't make any sense of this interpretation in the context though. What's the relevance?


4. ペアになって、生まれた所、育った所について聞きなさ い。聞いたことをクラスの人たちに報告しなさい。

a) In the first sentence, presumably 聞きなさい means "ask"?

b) In the second sentence, does 聞いたこと mean "things (you) asked", or "things (you) heard (in reply)"? How can you tell?

 

[Toritoribe]

1)
悪い means あなたに悪い/申し訳ない, i.e., "sorry".

５ 謝罪・感謝の意を表す語。申し訳ない。すまない。「心 配をかけて、―・いね」「―・いけれど先に帰るよ」「 ―・い―・い。こんど埋め合わせします」

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/238878/m0u/悪い/

2)
(It's used in) the situation when you do polite proposal, (something) towards/regarding the other person or other person's thing(s).

3)
(This expression) is used when you don't need to hear the other person's reply.

4) a)
Yes.

b)
The latter. I would use 何を聞いたか for the former.
First of all, isn't "things you asked" obvious from the context?

ペアになって、生まれた所、育った所について聞きなさい。

 

[eeky]

Thank you!

悪い means あなたに悪い/申し訳ない, i.e., "sorry".

I would like to exactly understand the literal meaning of the whole (even though I realise it's probably just a polite pleasantry). I am now guessing:

悪いです = It is a difficulty/inconvenience
に = to
忙しいの = someone (i.e. you) who is busy
ね = emphasis/expecting agreement (which?)

Is this right?

(It's used in) the situation when you do polite proposal, (something) towards/regarding the other person or other person's thing(s)

This is still quite opaque to me. Do you have an idea what "other person's thing(s)" could mean? Does it mean physical things, such as their possessions?

 

[Toritoribe]

I would like to exactly understand the literal meaning of the whole (even though I realise it's probably just a polite pleasantry). I am now guessing:
悪いです = It is a difficulty/inconvenience
に = to
忙しいの = someone (i.e. you) who is busy
ね = emphasis/expecting agreement (which?)
Is this right?

Ah, I see your point. That に doesn't indicate the target of 悪い. のに is used as an adversative conjunction here, as in それなのに.

忙しいのに悪いですね ＝ 忙しいにもかかわらず、そ んなことしてもらって悪いですね

Does this make sense?

This is still quite opaque to me. Do you have an idea what "other person's thing(s)" could mean? Does it mean physical things, such as their possessions?

For instance, towards the person's baggage; お持ちしましょうか？

 

[eeky]

忙しいのに悪いですね ＝ 忙しいにもかかわらず、そ んなことしてもらって悪いですね
Does this make sense?

The のに part makes sense. When I asked the question, that was the other way that I thought the sentence might work. However, I still don't understand 悪いです. What is it that is bad/difficult/inconvenient/etc.? Is it the circumstance in general? Is the speaker 悪い for imposing?

 

[Toritoribe]

The lattar.

Despite your busy schedule, you've offered to show me around. I feel bad(= am sorry) about that.

 

[eeky]

Thanks Toritoribe, I get it now.