よう／用

[jconnor1]

Hey guys, I'm a little confused about the use of 用.

1) I understand that it can mean "used for," but in what context? As in, would it be okay to use 料理する用 to mean "for use in cooking"?

2) Are there other connotations of this kanji, or a different interpretation?


Thanks,
Joe

 

[Glenn]

I don't believe so. According to the dictionary, it's attached to nouns only:

８ 名詞の下に付いて、…のために使用するもの、…が特に 使用するもの、…で使用するもの、などの意を表す。「 作業―の机」「紳士―セーター」「保存―テープ」
用

Attached to nouns, it expresses a meaning of "something for the use of something", "somthing especially used by something/one", "something used with/for/in the process of something", etc.

 

[jconnor1]

Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Orange]

In some colloquial contexts, it is possible to say 料理する用, meaning the one for cooking.

Ａ：このチョコレートは何？
Ｂ：あ、おやつ用のチョコレート
Ａ：じゃあ、これは？
Ｂ：それは、料理する用のチョコレート

 

[undrentide]

No, you should use noun before 用.

Ａ：このチョコレートは何？
Ｂ：あ、おやつ用（のチョコレート）。
Ａ：じゃあ、これは？
Ｂ：それは、料理用（のチョコレート）。

*If you use chocolate for baking or making dessert, you might say
お菓子用のチョコレート or
製菓用のチョコレート
;-)

 

[Orange]

No, you should use noun before 用.

Ａ：このチョコレートは何？
Ｂ：あ、おやつ用（のチョコレート）。
Ａ：じゃあ、これは？
Ｂ：それは、料理用（のチョコレート）。

*If you use chocolate for baking or making dessert, you might say
お菓子用のチョコレート or
製菓用のチョコレート
;-)

I guess it's a generational thing. I know younger generations use this pattern of verb+yoo no noun in casual speech. But, i guess you would call it ungrammatical.

 

[undrentide]

For people with a certain level of proficiency I might mention some colloquial usages and exceptions, but for most learners I simply tell what regarded as 'grammatically correct', otherwise it would be more confusing/misleading.