Defence Chinese spy plane violates Japanese airspace

Lothor said:
Wow! That's rich coming from an American! When I was growing up in the 80s, it seemed like you guys were meddling in a different Latin American country each year.
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That's different because the Latin American countries were very close to America. You're welcome for getting rid of the bad leaders there. It's not like we were trying to cause a war. It was simply necessary. And if you wanna start dissing America, dm me. We'll talk it out like gentlemen.
 

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Lothor said:
Wow! That's rich coming from an American! When I was growing up in the 80s, it seemed like you guys were meddling in a different Latin American country each year.
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Literally go look at thomas' last post and tell me I'm wrong dude. I might be a young stupid teenage American, but I know when a country is trying to cause a war.
 
When our CIA meddles into another countries business of becoming communist/socialist/left wing , I look at it as a type of rescue mission. Kind of like you see the young girl next door to you being kidnapped into a van and you spring into action to save her. You're saving that country's people from a life of misery. BUT....if all the people in the country are happy with it and want to go that way , mind our own business. Now days , it seems we are too busy trying to deal with our own internal problems to get too involved with other countries problems. That being said , we seem to be getting sucked into Ukraine's problems and Israel's quite deeply , money and weapon wise.
 
derekiscool said:
That's different because the Latin American countries were very close to America. You're welcome for getting rid of the bad leaders there. It's not like we were trying to cause a war. It was simply necessary. And if you wanna start dissing America, dm me. We'll talk it out like gentlemen.
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Sounds like a very American perspective. But honestly, I'm surprised you have any opinions about this at all. Most people your age don't have any awareness of current or historical events like these at all.
 
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I sometimes wonder about our education system when I see drag queens allowed in to read to students and the American flag is not allowed. I also see street interviews of college kids who can not answer questions about things I learned in 5th grade. I'm hoping it's just a case of things being blown out of proportion and not real widespread.
 
Grandpa Frank said:
View attachment 118964View attachment 118965 I sometimes wonder about our education system when I see drag queens allowed in to read to students and the American flag is not allowed. I also see street interviews of college kids who can not answer questions about things I learned in 5th grade. I'm hoping it's just a case of things being blown out of proportion and not real widespread.
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This world is so messed up
 
Life is a roller coaster with lots of ups and downs for sure. Years ago I listened to old men talk about our world is doomed and going to hell in a hand basket and laughed at them for worrying. Now , I'm the old fart seeing doom & gloom. I keep seeing talk of WWIII happening anytime now and can't figure what that's all about. I guess it's good I can't be drafted but sadly i'm not nuke bomb proof.
 
Dear members, this is a friendly reminder to stay on topic. This thread is about the recent Chinese incursions in Japanese territorial airspace and waters.
 
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I get carried away with the last post while forgetting all about the first.
 
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A few of China's electronic warfare and spy planes. The one with the box on top is designed for long range signal jamming.
 
derekiscool said:
That's different because the Latin American countries were very close to America. You're welcome for getting rid of the bad leaders there. It's not like we were trying to cause a war. It was simply necessary. And if you wanna start dissing America, dm me. We'll talk it out like gentlemen.
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It's all about geopolitics and nothing to do with American altruism (or that of any other country for that matter - the Chinese are providing assistance to African countries because they want the business and regional influence; Japan are similar and want the votes from small countries on whaling issues). As for ousting bad leaders, the West were perfectly happy having Saddam Hussein in power during the 80s because it was expedient for them, and many Western nations are providing arms to Israel that are being used to destroy schools and hospitals. I could probably produce a lot more examples of highly unpleasant regimes that are or have been propped up by Western countries because it's good for business.

The world is MUCH more nuanced than Communism = bad, Western values = good. There are no good guys and it's all murky shades of grey.
 
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I couldn't agree more with @Lothor. And in the age of social media, things have only gotten murkier. What makes me sad is that in American political discourse, terms like "socialism," "communism," or "liberalism" are utterly distorted and misrepresented. I wish people would enlighten themselves before throwing around terminology they seem unable or unwilling to comprehend.

Anyhow...

Any further discourse should be posted in a new thread, not here. Thank you.
 
thomas said:
I couldn't agree more with @Lothor. And in the age of social media, things have only gotten murkier. What makes me sad is that in American political discourse, terms like "socialism," "communism," or "liberalism" are utterly distorted and misrepresented. I wish people would enlighten themselves before throwing around terminology they seem unable or unwilling to comprehend.

Anyhow...

Any further discourse should be posted in a new thread, not here. Thank you.
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Communism is not misinterpreted at all. We in the west know exactly what communism is, why it's bad, and why it needs to be stopped. Here's something my Grandpa says about communism. (Sorry, North Koreans) "'If you don't work, Kim Jong Un will smack you upside the head with a shovel while he chews on a nice steak and you're forced to eat grass.'"

But I agree with Thomas. We're getting vastly off-topic. From Chinese invasions to frickin' drag queens then to communism.

Let's get back to the topic.
 
I'm open to continue discussing our off topic topic here in a new thread I will make literally right now.
 
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Usually getting people to change their minds on their beliefs is like beating a dead horse so to speak. When you keep poking the bear , emotions get heated. Probably just best to let things go and the posts to die out rather than picking at the scab. Wow , I managed to get a bunch of old cliches jammed in , LOL.
 
Grandpa Frank said:
View attachment 119033Usually getting people to change their minds on their beliefs is like beating a dead horse so to speak. When you keep poking the bear , emotions get heated. Probably just best to let things go and the posts to die out rather than picking at the scab. Wow , I managed to get a bunch of old cliches jammed in , LOL.
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One of my favorite past-times is discussing and arguing about communism and twisted ideologies.
 
Mansoor said:
I think, China has nothing to do with Japan itself, but it is careful about the presence of US military units in Japan and their secret activities against China. Japan is now the closest confronting point of America and China, unlike the US fleets in the ocean.

One day in the past, Japan was considered a formidable and powerful competitor for China. At that time, China had a weak and inconsistent government and army, and did not make remarkable progress in technology and industries (with a high rate).

Today, China is not worried about Japan, which considers it like a tiger without fangs and claws. Instead, it is concerned about the activities of the US military and spying bases in Japan. Although they are not currently a serious and imminent danger for China, the Chinese are aware that neglecting US plans, as one of the few world powers, could be a great mistake.

On the other hand, America is aware of the military power of China and Russia and tries not to engage with these two formidable powers horn to horn. It also avoids provoking North Korea, which is closely connected to China.
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I'd like to agree with @Mansoor. Being the country with the largest navy and air force in the world, the Chinese should know to be very cautious around the US, and the US should be careful around china. I don't know about the other Americans, but I don't want a war with the country with the largest army in the world. I'm also sure I'm not the only American who would love to be on friendly terms with china, but I don't think the US would be willing to extend a hand of friendship towards china unless they do it first.
 
According to diplomatic sources, China has attributed the August incursion of its military plane (see above) into Japanese airspace to an "unexpected obstruction" caused by Japanese defence force activities. Beijing has neither admitted wrongdoing nor proposed measures to prevent future incidents. The "obstruction" likely refers to the Japanese Self-Defense Forces' tracking of Chinese military aircraft. This is the first time China has publicly explained the reason for the airspace violation.


According to the Japanese Defense Ministry, the Chinese military Y-9 spy plane flew over the East China Sea off the Danjo Islands in the southwestern prefecture of Nagasaki for around two minutes from 11:29 a.m. on Aug. 26 despite repeated warnings. Following the intrusion, which led the Japanese Air Self-Defense Force to scramble fighter jets, China described the situation in September as "completely accidental," according to diplomatic sources. Beijing did not explicitly refer to Japan or the SDF when claiming that there was an "obstruction," they said. The sources said the Japanese government has dismissed the Chinese claims as "nonsense," calling on Beijing to clarify the facts. Tokyo has also warned that if Beijing refuses to provide sufficient information, it could further damage Japanese public sentiment toward China and complicate efforts to resolve the issue. China has not voiced regret over the airspace violation.
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Fighter jet pilots are restricted to using weapons only in self-defence or emergencies, so they cannot interfere with other aircraft. In his campaign for the LDP leadership, newly elected PM Ishiba proposed amending laws to allow the SDF to use weapons in response to Chinese airspace intrusions.


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China says "unexpected obstruction" led to Aug. Japan airspace breach

China informed Japan that an "unexpected obstruction" was what caused one of its military planes to breach Japanese airspace in August, diplomatic sources say, seemingly attributing the blame to the Japanese defense force's activities prior to the unprecedented intrusion.
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17 planes including a fighter, the bomber of China and Russia fly jointly for a long stretch of time over the Sea of Japan, and the flight confirmation of the two countries continues on 2nd.


In Ministry of Defense, 17 planes including a bomber and the fighter of the middle national military and the Russian military in total announced that they were confirmed over around Japan yesterday. The joint flight of the warplane of China and Russia is consecutive 2nd following the day before yesterday.

I announced that I confirmed what two planes hung China and a Russian bomber yesterday each in the afternoon from the morning and joint for a long stretch of time flew in Ministry of Defense.

Anything comes flying from the Chinese area and is that I flew in a form to commute between Okinawa Island and Miyakojima.

13 planes including nine fighters and information amassers such as two are confirmed as well as this, and, over this neighboring air boundaries and Sea of Japan, in total at least 17 fly it and are that a fighter of the Air Self-Defense Force scrambles and coped.

The joint flight by China and Russia is confirmed following 29th, and it is assumed to be a series of joint patrol.
 

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