Question WW2 Japanese Flag?

[GabeOfThrones]

Does this flag look original? As in does it look like it's a fake, it's from Griffin Militaria and I've never heard anything about them. Any translating will help as well. Thanks!

 

[Toritoribe]

My imression is negative. It's too messy, and there is a critical misspelling of an okurigana "空ら明て" native Japanese would never do.

 

[GabeOfThrones]

My imression is negative. It's too messy, and there is a critical misspelling of an okurigana "空ら明て" native Japanese would never do.

Alright thank you, I was a little worried that it might be, glad I waited. I did however find this one that has been supposedly confirmed to be authentic. It belonged to a Shigeta Yoshio could you perhaps add any input on your opinion on this one? Maybe any translation if you can? Thanks.

 

[Toritoribe]

The main presenters are the president and vice-president of a neighborhood association of a town in Tsuru-machi Taishō-ku, Osaka, so the recipient would live there. His surname is indeed Shigeta, but I'm not certain of his given name.
If you have a larger/clearer picture, we might be able to read the red stamp.

 

[GabeOfThrones]

The main presenters are the president and vice-president of a neighborhood association of a town in Tsuru-machi Taishō-ku, Osaka, so the recipient would live there. His surname is indeed Shigeta, but I'm not certain of his given name.
If you have a larger/clearer picture, we might be able to read the red stamp.

Alright so here are a few more pictures that should hopefully provide a little more insight.

 

[Toritoribe]

Hmm, the stamp says "Kishino village office Minami-saku district Nagano prefecture ". I don't know why the location is completely different from the two presenters'.

 

[GabeOfThrones]

Hmm, the stamp says "Kishino village office Minami-saku district Nagano prefecture". I don't know why the location is completely different from the two presenters'.

That is kind of odd... do you think it's a fake?

 

[Toritoribe]

Could be so. It's at least better than the first one, but seems questionable.

 

[GabeOfThrones]

The individual who I'm buying it from claims to specialize in the region of Japanese items from that era Good Luck Signed Flag-0049 - FORTUNES OF WAR MILITARIA Specialists in Imperial Japanese Good Luck Flags, One-Thousand Stitch Belts, Banners, Amulets of Protection - FortunesOfWarMilitaria.com I am somewhat unsure if I want to even buy the flag now... any advice? Everything else on the flag seems to check out other than the location, but I'm still a little on the edge about it.

 

[mdchachi]

I think most of us here would not want to buy even an authentic flag. What's the point?

 

[GabeOfThrones]

I think most of us here would not want to buy even an authentic flag. What's the point?

I collect items from that era and I wanted to try and give it museum quality protection that way I can ensure that it lasts throughout time as long as it can.

 

[Toritoribe]

The individual who I'm buying it from claims to specialize in the region of Japanese items from that era Good Luck Signed Flag-0049 - FORTUNES OF WAR MILITARIA Specialists in Imperial Japanese Good Luck Flags, One-Thousand Stitch Belts, Banners, Amulets of Protection - FortunesOfWarMilitaria.com I am somewhat unsure if I want to even buy the flag now... any advice? Everything else on the flag seems to check out other than the location, but I'm still a little on the edge about it.

He just wrote what he could read. It doesn't guarantee the authenticity at all. It's quite often the case that those typical patriotic slogans are written on fake flags.

By th way, he misread a kanji in the stamp. The name of the village was Kishino, not Kishida. Kishida village didn't exist even in that era.
岸野村 - Wikipedia
(all in Japanese)

Also, he mistranslated the word 村役場 "mura yakuba". It's "village office", as I translated, not "village council". Village council is 村議会 "songikai" in Japanese.

 

[GabeOfThrones]

He just wrote what he could read. It doesn't guarantee the authenticity at all. It's quite often the case that those typical patriotic slogans are written on fake flags.

By th way, he misread a kanji in the stamp. The name of the village was Kishino, not Kishida. Kishida village didn't exist even in that era.
岸野村 - Wikipedia
(all in Japanese)

Also, he mistranslated the word 村役場 "mura yakuba". It's "village office", as I translated, not "village council". Village council is 村議会 "songikai" in Japanese.

Judging by everything you have told me I have decided to steer away from that specific Militaria dealer. I really appreciate all of the information you have provided me with. I have 2 more flags for you to look at if you do not mind from Griffin Militaria again, and these are a little bit different. What do you think of these?

 

[GabeOfThrones]

Judging by everything you have told me I have decided to steer away from that specific Militaria dealer. I really appreciate all of the information you have provided me with. I have 2 more flags for you to look at if you do not mind from Griffin Militaria again, and these are a little bit different. What do you think of these?

So apparently the story behind the flag with pictures is that it was bought at a market in Central Japan less than a month ago.

 

[Toritoribe]

The left picture might be authentic, but the right one would be a fake. Many signatures were written by the same hand with several wrong kanji.

 

[GabeOfThrones]

The left picture might be authentic, but the right one would be a fake. Many signatures were written by the same hand with several wrong kanji.

I think I'll take a stab at the that one and hope for the best! Thanks for everything.