Help with Sword Tang Translation Please

Amanaman

Registered
Joined
14 Jan 2017
Messages
10
Reaction score
0
Any help with a translation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 

Attachments

  • 20170105_212722.webp
    20170105_212722.webp
    700.6 KB · Views: 297
  • 20170105_212729.webp
    20170105_212729.webp
    459.7 KB · Views: 258
  • 20170105_212744.webp
    20170105_212744.webp
    590.3 KB · Views: 268
正真子福本(or 奈?)??家作

That's a poorly made fake inscription.
 
We seem to be getting a lot of fake sword inquiries these days. Has the fake yosegaki boom passed?
 
Thanks. What about this one?
 

Attachments

  • 20170105_211310.webp
    20170105_211310.webp
    711.1 KB · Views: 252
Here is what the complete fake one looks like for anyone who needs information / reference.
 

Attachments

  • 20170113_193100.webp
    20170113_193100.webp
    288.3 KB · Views: 261
  • 20170113_193106.webp
    20170113_193106.webp
    259.3 KB · Views: 238
  • 20170113_193113.webp
    20170113_193113.webp
    316.3 KB · Views: 245
  • 20170113_193120.webp
    20170113_193120.webp
    386.3 KB · Views: 250
  • 20170113_193130.webp
    20170113_193130.webp
    231.1 KB · Views: 261
  • 20170113_193139.webp
    20170113_193139.webp
    367.2 KB · Views: 271
  • 20170113_193145.webp
    20170113_193145.webp
    373.6 KB · Views: 262
  • 20170113_193152.webp
    20170113_193152.webp
    400.3 KB · Views: 242
Thanks for the replies. Hopefully this will help someone in the future.
 
The first one is 正真子福本兼房作 Masazaneshi Fukumoto Kanefusa-saku. I wouldn't immediately consider this a fake because it also looks like it has the Showa stamp on that tang, indicating a WW2 arsenal blade. The choppy inscription is typical of WW2 Seki blades.
 
Last edited:
Oh cool. That's good news. Thank's and I will provide a like for the input. I will take pictures of the other and post them as well to see if is not a fake as well.
 
The other one - I would say 正義則貞 Masayoshi Norisada, but I can find no other swords with this name when I search for it, so that sends alarm bells off.
The first one, Kanefusa, turns up a few hits on auction sites, and I found one registration certificate with this name on it. Normally, if I get nothing but auction site hits, it tends to mean that a suspicious name is getting reflected back in the hall of mirrors of auction sites. Usually you would want to see the name appear in a reference guide or appear on the sword being sold from a reputable dealer. So I am not 100% convinced the first sword is genuine, but the Showa stamp (it has the character 昭 inside a cherry-blossom) indicates the sword was made in an arsenal. These aren't normally faked because they are not worth as much as antique "samurai swords" (for want of a better word). WW2 arsenal swords are not traditionally-made, but collectors of militaria like them. Look on the site below for more info. Yours looks like it has had an amateur restoration job done on it. The sword is OK, but the scabbard is a very damaged WW2 scabbard, and the pommel/tsuka and other fittings are not WW2 fittings.
Military Swords of Imperial Japan (Guntナ)
 
Here are snaps of the other one.
 

Attachments

  • 20170113_204553.webp
    20170113_204553.webp
    342.7 KB · Views: 239
  • 20170113_204559.webp
    20170113_204559.webp
    386.4 KB · Views: 237
  • 20170113_204605.webp
    20170113_204605.webp
    313.6 KB · Views: 242
  • 20170113_204612.webp
    20170113_204612.webp
    446.8 KB · Views: 238
  • 20170113_204617.webp
    20170113_204617.webp
    413.5 KB · Views: 268
  • 20170113_204628.webp
    20170113_204628.webp
    317.6 KB · Views: 267
  • 20170113_204637.webp
    20170113_204637.webp
    324 KB · Views: 262
  • 20170113_204731.webp
    20170113_204731.webp
    531.2 KB · Views: 259
Wow great information. Thanks so much everyone for taking the time with the help in identification.
 
Any information is greatly appreciated. I know deciphering these things is quite a pain
 
Oh, sorry, I've never thought the swordsmith was not so good at inscription, so I didn't even search it.🤦
 
The first one is 正真子福本兼房作 Masazaneshi Fukumoto Kanefusa-saku. I wouldn't immediately consider this a fake because it also looks like it has the Showa stamp on that tang, indicating a WW2 arsenal blade. The choppy inscription is typical of WW2 Seki blades.
I am inclined to agree with majestic! And it's definitely all in military mounts. looking at the tang and file marks it's definitely not an old blade ie koto or even shinto
Looking for some more examples of the first one - I've uncovered some more info and I'm changing my mind. Your sword is more likely 正真子福本兼Masazaneshi Fukumoto Kanemune.
Fukumoto Kanemune appears in the list of military arsenal swordsmiths. See the link below for more info.
FUKUMOTO KANEMUNE WORK - Military Swords of Japan - Nihonto Message Board Also for everyone out there. Never! clean the tang of a sword no matter how much you want to read the Signature ! That is a Massive No! No!
 
Back
Top Bottom