AmgedIsmail
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- 19 Sep 2011
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Cloud
An Introduction to Kanji, memorize Kanji meaning by shapes!
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FinancialWar
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- 19 May 2006
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you are shameless and ignorant to say the least, "Teaching" 雲 before 雨.
And why does your avater remind me of the show "To catch a predator"?
And why does your avater remind me of the show "To catch a predator"?
AmgedIsmail
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- 19 Sep 2011
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Grow up and be a man, from your avatar you sound a 60 years old man to me!
I am not gonna waste my time giving back the insult like an idiot. little kids who insults people like this.
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You're calling yourself an educated person??!!
You ARE the ignorant one. The ignorant people who insults others who are trying to give benefits and information.
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Grow up and be a man, from your avatar you sound a 60 years old man to me!
I am not gonna waste my time giving back the insult like an idiot. little kids who insults people like this.
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You're calling yourself an educated person??!!
You ARE the ignorant one. The ignorant people who insults others who are trying to give benefits and information.
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I am calling that man respectfull, because every alive person should be treated respectfully, and You may not judge them. From the other side, You should not insult people does not matter was You insulted or not. Just ignore.
And, I'd say, he had a very reasonble reason for his post, may be it is not obvious, but ... could You tell us why did You choose 'cloud' kanji first? Answer for that question is very important.
And, I'd say, he had a very reasonble reason for his post, may be it is not obvious, but ... could You tell us why did You choose 'cloud' kanji first? Answer for that question is very important.
AmgedIsmail
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- 19 Sep 2011
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You are treating me and blaming me for starting with cloud as I am a Japanese person?
I am just starting to learn and as my eyes first looked at, it looked at that kanji.
And by the way, when it starts to rain, First it becomes cloudy, then it rains.
So, the cloud is before the rain
Fire
I am just starting to learn and as my eyes first looked at, it looked at that kanji.
And by the way, when it starts to rain, First it becomes cloudy, then it rains.
So, the cloud is before the rain
Fire
- 5 Apr 2012
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AmgedIsmail, I am not blaming You at all.
That respectfull old man did not insulted You. If You will read his message throughly, You will understand that he did like Your associative painting, and he proposed You to write 'rain' kanji, which is much easy to draw. May be he choosed extravagant way to say that, but it wasn't an insult.
English is not Your first language, so, please, be sure that You did understand completely
That respectfull old man did not insulted You. If You will read his message throughly, You will understand that he did like Your associative painting, and he proposed You to write 'rain' kanji, which is much easy to draw. May be he choosed extravagant way to say that, but it wasn't an insult.
English is not Your first language, so, please, be sure that You did understand completely
AmgedIsmail
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And what does he mean by " And why does your avater remind me of the show "To catch a predator"? "
He is insulting! Don't try to calm me down claiming he didn't insult. Anyway I hate that man now.
He is insulting! Don't try to calm me down claiming he didn't insult. Anyway I hate that man now.
AmgedIsmail
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AmgedIsmail
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For all the Kanji?
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OK guys I am giving up.
Since there is no spirit of encouragement.
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OK guys I am giving up.
Since there is no spirit of encouragement.
FinancialWar
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can you give me the shape for 
AmgedIsmail
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I am giving up.
I think it's better to stay at home rather than one insults me just because of education.
What if it was about political matters, what would you have done? eat me?
I think it's better to stay at home rather than one insults me just because of education.
What if it was about political matters, what would you have done? eat me?
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They aren't necessary for all the kanji. After a brief period of learning everybody notices that there are common elements used over and over in various kanji. Familiarity reduces the burden of learning additional kanji and memory devices aren't needed.
I have often seen posts from people in your part of the world (countries in northern Africa) that they have trouble finding any Japanese learning materials, so I understand if you are not aware of existing materials which serve the same function. Your idea is not new; it has been done many times. My children have gone to school in Japan since elementary school and they have books using pictures to help students learn kanji.
This is an old idea, done many times, and I must say I have never seen it done quite so badly. It would be more work to try to remember your awful memory aid pictures than to just remember the kanji directly. Especially since after just a few hours study with good materials none of the silly, forced, nonsensical memory aids would be necessary anyway.
There are far better materials available and which are more complete, are more organized, and have superior explanations and illustrations. If you are having fun doing this project, then please continue enjoying it. If you are doing it in hopes of providing some useful teaching aid, then you are not only reinventing the wheel but you are also doing a remarkably poor job of it and thoroughly wasting your time and effort. I can't imagine anyone actually using this stuff you're creating.
I have often seen posts from people in your part of the world (countries in northern Africa) that they have trouble finding any Japanese learning materials, so I understand if you are not aware of existing materials which serve the same function. Your idea is not new; it has been done many times. My children have gone to school in Japan since elementary school and they have books using pictures to help students learn kanji.
This is an old idea, done many times, and I must say I have never seen it done quite so badly. It would be more work to try to remember your awful memory aid pictures than to just remember the kanji directly. Especially since after just a few hours study with good materials none of the silly, forced, nonsensical memory aids would be necessary anyway.
There are far better materials available and which are more complete, are more organized, and have superior explanations and illustrations. If you are having fun doing this project, then please continue enjoying it. If you are doing it in hopes of providing some useful teaching aid, then you are not only reinventing the wheel but you are also doing a remarkably poor job of it and thoroughly wasting your time and effort. I can't imagine anyone actually using this stuff you're creating.
Speedy9199
Looks like it EXACTLY
- 19 Oct 2012
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LOL that character is awesome.
Edit: On a side note I can actually remember this character by heart and it's not as hard as you think... O_O
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I Am A Baka
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- 5 Apr 2012
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What a shame. I quite liked your pictures... especially when they were comical. Oh well.
undrentide
Japa'n vagyok
- 18 Jan 2006
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@OP
Kanji is ideogram, and each part of one kanji (or the whole kanji) has meaning.
If you ignore it and make kanji with irrelevant pictures, it does not make sense and does not help people to learn kanji.
What FinancialWar pointed out is true - one should learn 雨 first, then go to the kanji which has 雨 as a part of it (called 'radical') as the kanji using 雨 is basically related to rain, sky, weather.
雪 (snow), 雲 (cloud), 霙 (sleet), 霜 (frost), 霞 (haze), 霧 (mist), etc.
Here's a very good picture showing why rain is 雨, or how the kanji 雨 is in such a shape.
ぬりえで漢字を学ぶ幼児教育NET［雨］［傘］
雨
(On the latter you need to click on the picture several times to see the changes.)
For 火 (fire), you used fire at the bottom and with match or tobbacco? above it, but actually the origin of the kanji for fire is wood sticks at the bottom and fire is burning on them.
火
(Click on the picture then you can see how it becomes kanji 火)
As Mike mentioned, there are many such materials showing picture/pictogram/kanji out there.
Here are some examples.
Quick Kanji - Language - Kids Web Japan - Web Japan
Teachers Resources
漢字の成り立ち１年生
If making pictures of kana/kanji helps you to memorise the Japanese letteres, you do not have to give it up, but you should also know that it is not a good material to teach others.
Kanji is ideogram, and each part of one kanji (or the whole kanji) has meaning.
If you ignore it and make kanji with irrelevant pictures, it does not make sense and does not help people to learn kanji.
What FinancialWar pointed out is true - one should learn 雨 first, then go to the kanji which has 雨 as a part of it (called 'radical') as the kanji using 雨 is basically related to rain, sky, weather.
雪 (snow), 雲 (cloud), 霙 (sleet), 霜 (frost), 霞 (haze), 霧 (mist), etc.
Here's a very good picture showing why rain is 雨, or how the kanji 雨 is in such a shape.
ぬりえで漢字を学ぶ幼児教育NET［雨］［傘］
雨
(On the latter you need to click on the picture several times to see the changes.)
For 火 (fire), you used fire at the bottom and with match or tobbacco? above it, but actually the origin of the kanji for fire is wood sticks at the bottom and fire is burning on them.
火
(Click on the picture then you can see how it becomes kanji 火)
As Mike mentioned, there are many such materials showing picture/pictogram/kanji out there.
Here are some examples.
Quick Kanji - Language - Kids Web Japan - Web Japan
Teachers Resources
漢字の成り立ち１年生
If making pictures of kana/kanji helps you to memorise the Japanese letteres, you do not have to give it up, but you should also know that it is not a good material to teach others.
Wish I had seen that site a long time ago
Speedy9199
Looks like it EXACTLY
- 19 Oct 2012
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Before this thread gets too old does anyone have any suggestions on how to make my 戰 character in my avatar better? This is my favorite character because I've always looked at the right side like a hand grabbing a sword and an arrow criss crossing the sword(or should I draw another sword there instead?) The left side looks like a battle field with blood and the top part are supposed to be the army commanders(I had no other ideas at that moment on how to signify this(lol...)
Also doing this in photoshop/Ms paint IS fun, I admit it. No wonder why @AmgedIsmail did this. XD
Just in case anyone didn't know 戦 is the same thing as 戰
Also doing this in photoshop/Ms paint IS fun, I admit it. No wonder why @AmgedIsmail did this. XD
Just in case anyone didn't know 戦 is the same thing as 戰
undrentide
Japa'n vagyok
- 18 Jan 2006
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In kanji dictionaries, there are explanation on how/from what each kanji originated besides the meaning, number of strokes, pronunciation etc.
"Components" (usually referred as "radicals") are used within a kanji either for meaning or for sound.
Here's what I found in a dictionary about ﾂ静ｭ, just in case you're interested.
ﾂ静ｭ consists of two parts, 窶儕 and ﾅ禿ｷ.
窶儕 originated from a fan like duster - a vine woven into a thin, round object with a stick as a handle, which was used to slap dust off the things or slap down a small bird or animal.
ﾅ禿ｷ means a pike.
The combination of these two parts means to battle with a weapon, and in this kanji 窶儕 means knowking down the enemy with a weapon (ﾅ禿ｷ) making slap-slap sound (窶儕).
"Components" (usually referred as "radicals") are used within a kanji either for meaning or for sound.
Here's what I found in a dictionary about ﾂ静ｭ, just in case you're interested.
ﾂ静ｭ consists of two parts, 窶儕 and ﾅ禿ｷ.
窶儕 originated from a fan like duster - a vine woven into a thin, round object with a stick as a handle, which was used to slap dust off the things or slap down a small bird or animal.
ﾅ禿ｷ means a pike.
The combination of these two parts means to battle with a weapon, and in this kanji 窶儕 means knowking down the enemy with a weapon (ﾅ禿ｷ) making slap-slap sound (窶儕).
chldudghks0517
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I Am A Baka
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- 5 Apr 2012
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It's the Chinese character for Biang. As in Biangbiang Noodles.
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Speedy9199
Looks like it EXACTLY
- 19 Oct 2012
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Wait... are you serious... That character is laughable and I thought it was fake. Chinese is complex with it's character combinations to form one new character but this is just.... wow. Good thing I have a photograph memory and can remember it, and it's a good thing it's real so remembering it is actually useful than remembering a made up character that doesn't truly exist.
