Various sentences I need help with

[staren]

1.「おー！ なんと うつくしい。わたしの つまに ふさわし い ひめだ。」
ひとりの 男が いうと、つぎつぎに、「ひめは わた しの つまじゃ！」と 五人は いいあらそいました。
When one man said hat, one after the other "The princess is my wife" the five men said in a quarrell.
Didn't translate the first part, just put it there so you would see the whole thing. Correct?

2. **そこで かぐやひめは、「わたしが みなさんに お ねがいするしなものを、
はじめに もってこられたかたの およめさんに なります。」
There the princess. the first person to bring back thing one I ask of you, his wife I'll become.

わたしが みなさんに おねがいするしなものを is the object for motsu? And what is upp with the first part "そこで かぐやひめは"?

3."石づくりのみこ"は、てんじくに あると いう ほ とけさまの 石のはちを さがしに でかけます。
Prince Ishidukuri buddas stone pot which is said to be in india went out to search.
When do they use "western" quotation marks? And does ...いう modify as I translated?

4.ところが、てんじくには いかないで、とちゅうで もどってきました。
There, without going to India, in the middle of the road/on the way returned with/brought back.
Just doesn't make sense. Especially もどってきました which I thought meant to return or something along those lines?
The next sentence is, if it makes it easier:
そして、三年かん、ちかくの やまに かくれ、やまで ひろった 石のはちを たちかえりました。

5. Lastly I have a question regarding the linking of sentences. If I wanted to say: "I visited my brother last month and I will soon visit my sister". What throws me here is the past in the first sentence and the other sentence is not. If both were in present it could have been done with either the stem or the te-form for the first sentence right?

Thanks in advance

 

[Toritoribe]

1.「おー！ なんと うつくしい。わたしの つまに ふさわし い ひめだ。」
ひとりの 男が いうと、つぎつぎに、「ひめは わた しの つまじゃ！」と 五人は いいあらそいました。
When one man said hat, one after the other "The princess is my wife" the five men said in a quarrell.
Didn't translate the first part, just put it there so you would see the whole thing. Correct?

Yes.

わたしが みなさんに おねがいするしなものを is the object for motsu?

Yes.

And what is up with the first part "そこで かぐやひめは"?

そこで is a conjunction, "So", "Therefore", "Then", or like that.

When do they use "western" quotation marks?

Probably because 石づくりのみこ is not a common name. The writer would think it might be hard to make out that that is a name.

And does ...いう modify as I translated?

Yes.

4.ところが、てんじくには いかないで、とちゅうで もどってきました。
There, without going to India, in the middle of the road/on the way returned with/brought back.
Just doesn't make sense. Especially もどってきました which I thought meant to return or something along those lines?

He turned back the way to India without going there.

そして、三年かん、ちかくの やまに かくれ、やまで ひろった 石のはちを たちかえりました。

もちかえりました

5. Lastly I have a question regarding the linking of sentences. If I wanted to say: "I visited my brother last month and I will soon visit my sister". What throws me here is the past in the first sentence and the other sentence is not. If both were in present it could have been done with either the stem or the teform for the first sentence right?

You can also use the -te form in the example sentence, since the first clause has a temporal word "last month". But for the naturalness of the sentence, I would use 先月兄を訪ねたので、もうすぐ妹も訪ねます。 or like that.

 

[staren]

Yes.

そこで is a conjunction, "So", "Therefore", "Then", or like that.

Ok, but it feels like some thing is missing like. そこで かぐやひめは、「...」と言いました。
Or is that implied somehow?

You can also use the -te form in the example sentence, since the first clause has a temporal word "last manth". But for the naturalness of the sentence, I would use 先月兄を訪ねたので、もうすぐ妹も訪ねます。 or like that.

Oh, really. That is very interesting.
So ので, can be used to simply connect sentences without having the meaning of because/therefor? But this is not the case for から though? Or?

 

[Toritoribe]

Ok, but it feels like some thing is missing like. そこで かぐやひめは、「...」と言いました。
Or is that implied somehow?

Right. と言いました is omitted, as you interpreted correctly. The quotation marks 「」 shows it.

SSo ので, can be used to simply connect sentences without having the meaning of because/therefor? But this is not the case for から though? Or?

No. ので implies "because" as same as から, or similar to けど as "but". 先月兄を訪ねて、もうすぐ妹も訪ねます is somewhat unnatural as a stand-alone sentence. It can work only in a specific context, for instance, as an answer to the question "When did or will you visit your brother and sister?"

 

[staren]

No. ので implies "because" as same as から, or similar to けど as "but". 先月兄を訪ねて、もうすぐ妹も訪ねます is somewhat unnatural as a stand-alone sentence. It can work only in a specific context, for instance, as an answer to the question "When did or will you visit your brother and sister?"

Ok. But if there were no such question and you were just sort of writing about your family to a friend. If you then would want to say that, how would you do it? Split it up into 2 sentences?

 

[Toritoribe]

There must be a context when you say "I visited my brother last month and I will soon visit my sister" in real life, mustn't there? I might say just "Hey, staren. I visited my brother last month", but never continue the last half. Or, if I hear it abruptly, I will ask "Why? What happened?". Then s/he will tell a context "Yeah,...". Don't you think so?;-)

 

[staren]

There must be a context when you say "I visited my brother last month and I will soon visit my sister" in real life, mustn't there? I might say just "Hey, staren. I visited my brother last month", but never continue the last half. Or, if I hear it abruptly, I will ask "Why? What happened?". Then s/he will tell a context "Yeah,...". Don't you think so?;-)

I don't really get what you mean I'm afraid
So in the context where would say "I visited my brother last month and I will soon visit my sister" you would say: "先月兄を訪ねたので、もうすぐ妹も訪ねます。" ?
Or what do you mean?

 

[Toritoribe]

That's exactly depends on THE context. It might be 訪ねたので, or could be 訪ねたけど.

e.g.
A:先月兄のとこに行ったんだけど、今度またすぐに妹の とこにも行かなきゃいけないんだ。
I visited my brother last month, but soon I have to visit my sister, too.

B:なんで？
What's happened?

A:それがさあ、、、
Well,,,

In what context do you say the sentence, for instance?

 

[staren]

That's exactly depends on THE context. It might be 訪ねたので, or could be 訪ねたけど.

e.g.
A:先月兄のとこに行ったんだけど、今度またすぐに妹のとこにも行かなきゃいけないんだ。
I visited my brother last month, but soon I have to visit my sister, too.

B:なんで？
What's happend?

A:それがさあ、、、
Well,,,

In what context do you say the sentence, for instance?

There is no specific context . I just just thinking about the linking of sentences is past tense is I said in the first post. I completely understand your sentence but I would never had come up with that. Guess I just need a lot more experience
Now when reading your post I you use toko, which I guess is a short form of tokoro. Which makes me think of something else.
I have been watching some doramas lately. And always when they say that they love/like eachother they might say xxxsannokoto.... How come they always use koto when talking about stuff like that?

 

[Toritoribe]

R
Right. とこ is the shortend (and colloquial) form of ところ.

That's another usage of こと. こと is used to clarify the direction of the emotion. For instance, 君が好きだから could be misinterpreted as "because you like something" if こと isn't there. It might be similar to "を vs が" in the object marker of the -tai form.

 

[staren]

Right. とこ is the shortend (and colloquial) form of ところ.

That's another usage of こと.;-) こと is used to clarify the direction of the emotion. For instance, 君が好きだから could be misinterpreted as "because you like something" if こと isn't there. It might be similar to "を vs が" in the object marker of the -tai form.

Haha. Yea, it's used quite a lot. I love it when I you sort of know it from movies or so and then you read it and it fits perfectly into what you have thought it would/should be. Happens some times

Regarding が and を. I guess you refer to the post you did the other day, with あなたを/がしらない。And you meant that it could either mean you want to know or I want to know you. Would it really be possible to say it with ga, as it speaks about what someone else want to do? But I guess if it were to be wrapped with omou or something like that it would work?

I truly appreciate all your answers. Will try not to bombard you with questions. ;-P

 

[Toritoribe]

Yeah, the -tai form can't be used for second or third person, since you don't know other's feelings. It must be ～たがっている, ～たいと思っている, ～たそうだ or like that in a simple sentence. Here's an example of the ambiguousness.

君[きみ]が嫌[きら]いな人は誰[だれ]？

This can mean both "Who is the person you dislike?" or "Who is the person who dislikes you?" 君を嫌いな人は誰？ or 君のことが嫌いな人は誰？ doesn't have this ambiguousness.