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Some stereotypes are indeed made by brain-amputees and inaccurate, but some root in Japan itself and please don't complain when people think you are what you look like when you look like it way too blatantly.
Aout Japanese women: you may be right, never judge a book by its cover and not every Japanese woman is a submissive easy girl, but I've seen too many dressed like *****, way more than in any other country I've been to. Hot pants, miniminimini skirts, bottocks visible, bare shoulders, 1-pound-fingernails etc.
You don't need anime for some generalizations, way too many Japanese women between 18 and 30 that I've seen take care of that themselves. You can't really blame a man for thinking he's in the land of easy girls, walk through Shibuya at any time of day or night and you might just feel like you're in one hugeass red light district.
Dressing up pretty is one thing, but showing THAT much skin in all the wrong places, is still largely understood as offering some of that skin to the first dude who asks. Acting "kawaii" doesn't help things, on the contrary (though I personally find all that squealing and squirming and acting weak and fragile, repulsive). Frankly, everytime I went to a club or a more trendy district like Shibuya or Amemura, even Bukuro, I felt like I was surrounded by ******. In the other 12 counties I've been to, mostly hookers dress that way. And only one of those countries has women wear veils. All the other countries allow women to dress like that, but most just don't, because they don't want to be mistaken for hookers.
I try to be realistic and reject stereotypes most of the time, but a) stereotypes can't exist without some truth to feed on, b) THIS stereotype can't really be blamed on foreign misconceptions. When I see a woman clad just enough to cover her nipples and vagina, that is either in a bikini near some kind of swimming facility, or if on the street, I can't help but think she does it for cash. Don't blame me, blame her "fashion sense". And unfortunately, that fashion sense doesn't seem so unusual in many areas of Japan.
With due respect to the Japanese people, if you dress up like "it", don't complain when people think you are "it".
About positive stereotypes... well, many people seem to think all Asian/Japanese girls are pretty. Frankly, I found this largely confirmed, most of them girls up to 40 years are gorgeous but when they're overweight or have akne, they have it baaaaaaaaad :D Not to mention the yamanbas... gawd.
Ofcourse, there's also the stereotype that the Japanese are always friendly. I have received glares and stares that made me want to disappear into thin air. I mostly didn't do anything wrong, except maybe miss one of those direction arrows or boarding marks at metro platforms and stood or walked on the wrong side. I admit it deserves public execution. Cut me up. Now. I deserve to die.
Another one may be that looking effin weird is widely accepted but judging from the looks some lone cosplayers or bleached-yellow-fat-dudes-in-pink-and-white-tuxedo-and-cowboy-boots-and-lots-of-blingbling receive, it's still better to take it to Yoyogi parc.
OH! And don't think that just because of some fan service of VK stars and all the yaoi manga, homosexuals are so very loved in Japan. I've heard crowds cheer at the DJ's words: "Okamayaro bukkorose!"...
And Japan is the safest country in the world. Japanese gentlemen keep taking me as close to my hotel as possible saying they won't feel good if they let me walk home alone, let alone many people don't care to put their damn dog on a leash (dogs don't only bite, they cause accidents when running in front of cars and bikes). Oh and the bicycles on the sidewalk! And the "Chikan gochuui"/"Beware of perverts" signs are also very, very reassuring... People have taken me for insane for walking through Ikebukuro's alleys alone in the dark. What's out there?
I don't think Japan is any less safe than any other country, mind you. I even think it might be a LITTLE safer than eg. Belgium. I just don't believe in the gut-wrenching tales of it being uber-safe and risk-free. To be honest, I do feel safe about sleeping in the street with my purse in plain view thinking "This is Japan!", but at the same time, I realize that's not being smart. I just trust my scary face to keep attackers at arm's length.
How long was your stay in Japan? Why I ask is b/c it does not seem very long. That or you only saw a one aspect of life while you were here.

Accepted and tolerated is two completely different things. People who judge this society the way people tend to do, do not have an understanding of what it is truely is all about. These things that have been brought up are a minority among a huge population and that makes them stick out like a sore thumb. This goes back to Japanese people not actively expressing there likes or dislikes for a certain topic like US loud westerners, this promotes confrontation and that is best to be avoided. But anyway it is interesting to hear Japan is veiwed like from the outside.
 
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How long was your stay in Japan? Why I ask is b/c it does not seem very long. That or you only saw a one aspect of life while you were here.

Accepted and tolerated is two completely different things. People who judge this society the way people tend to do, do not have an understanding of what it is truely is all about. These things that have been brought up are a minority among a huge population and that makes them stick out like a sore thumb. This goes back to Japanese people not actively expressing there likes or dislikes for a certain topic like US load westerners, this promotes confrontation and that is best to be avoided. But anyway it is interesting to hear Japan is veiwed like from the outside.

I asked the very same question and got the run around.

I personally feel that each person's experiences are what count, that doesnt discount Otenba's, but just means that we have had more and are more able to base a decision about the country or the area we live in because we have had more chances to interact with the local population.

Case in point here.....

Otenba wrote.....I've seen too many dressed like *****, way more than in any other country I've been to. Hot pants, miniminimini skirts, bottocks visible, bare shoulders, 1-pound-fingernails etc.
You don't need anime for some generalizations, way too many Japanese women between 18 and 30 that I've seen take care of that themselves. You can't really blame a man for thinking he's in the land of easy girls, walk through Shibuya at any time of day or night and you might just feel like you're in one hugeass red light district.
Dressing up pretty is one thing, but showing THAT much skin in all the wrong places, is still largely understood as offering some of that skin to the first dude who asks. Acting "kawaii" doesn't help things, on the contrary (though I personally find all that squealing and squirming and acting weak and fragile, repulsive)

First off to imply that these females are dressed like ***** is proof of a lack of knowledge of the culture here. This goes along with her "looks vs nationality" as well. She is basing her judgement of the people here on what they look like and not who they are.

If she chooses not to dress or act in that manner, fine that is her choice, and that is the point I think she misses often, people have the choice to choose.

Next.....
About positive stereotypes... well, many people seem to think all Asian/Japanese girls are pretty. Frankly, I found this largely confirmed, most of them girls up to 40 years are gorgeous but when they're overweight or have akne, they have it baaaaaaaaad
Limited experience with living here, excuse me in her case visiting here, also she needs to get her glasses checked.

This stereotype is well off the mark as well. Again a matter of personal choice.

I'll pass on the rest, except this one made me do a Chairman Mao....

I try to be realistic and reject stereotypes most of the time, but a) stereotypes can't exist without some truth to feed on,
 
First off to imply that these females are dressed like ***** is proof of a lack of knowledge of the culture here. This goes along with her "looks vs nationality" as well. She is basing her judgement of the people here on what they look like and not who they are.

It's also entirely ethnocentric. There is no universal definition of what a "****" looks like.
 
Kirin, while I totally agree that culture and understanding plays a big part in perception, but I've seen a lot the sorts of women he was mentioning as *****. You don't see them in other areas of Japan, regular shopping areas (usually), colleges, dinning places... you know why?

Because even Japan considers some of it just down right slutty.

Now, there is the in-between area, and that is where I think the generalizations of Japanese women come into play.
 
It's also entirely ethnocentric. There is no universal definition of what a "****" looks like.
How true.....I personally "know" a few "*****" that look nothing like the females described above here.

And as many know at one time here in Japan being a "****" was a respected business. It's all because of the USA that that respected profession has become illegal here.

Kirin, while I totally agree that culture and understanding plays a big part in perception, but I've seen a lot the sorts of women he was mentioning as *****. You don't see them in other areas of Japan, regular shopping areas (usually), colleges, dinning places... you know why?

Because even Japan considers some of it just down right slutty.

Now, there is the in-between area, and that is where I think the generalizations of Japanese women come into play.
Well by using the definition Otenba gave she could be describing just about any High School girl here in Japan no matter the location.

miniminimini skirts, bottocks visible, bare shoulders, 1-pound-fingernails etc.
Well except for the bare shoulders.

But I agree that there are those here as well that turn their noses towards females that dress like that and it isnt all that do.

It also depends on where one lives as well.
 
With the dress issue, it's just cultural about what's okay or not to show.
In Japan, showing off your legs is fine, and it's not slutty from the Japanese perspective. It's often considered fashionable.
 
With the dress issue, it's just cultural about what's okay or not to show.
In Japan, showing off your legs is fine, and it's not slutty from the Japanese perspective. It's often considered fashionable.

I know, particularly the long one's, now then I can personally do without seeing the daikon type.
 
They're used to dress properly for SCHOOL
Another Chairman Mao here..........

You REALLY need to take a closer look at HS girls here, properly? Yeah right.
 
I've been in Japan for a total of 2 months, yes, that can only mean that all Japanese "friends" I met really hate me and only pretended to be nice for sakes of harmony (which is why they stay in touch via internet while they could simply forget to reply instead of messaging me almost daily) and ofcourse, after only 2 months, your eyes are not yet fit to see the decent clothing worn above them urban bikinis, it's translucent to the foreign eye...
@KirinMan
Daikon type? You mean those short, chubby O-legs some Japanese girls have? I think it's cute....
I think you are missing the point, your are judging on what you are accustomed to and what you think is the correct way to act or dress ect, ect . But what everyone is trying to explain to you is that society is different here, you see a group of young girls that look like tramps and everyone else sees a bunch of young girls enjoying life and doing nobody any harm. This is just an example as I am not trying to compare your situation.

As for you friends, sure they are your freinds and you keep in touch with them but you also missed the point about that thread too. Anyway, I am sure you will understand one day what everyone is saying.

But don't you think it odd that a few members picked you as only having very limited experience in Japan. I would think about that and this is in no way meant to be offencive.
 
But don't you think it odd that a few members picked you as only having very limited experience in Japan. I would think about that and this is in no way meant to be offencive.
Well put Dave.....

I would suggest to Otenba to try to quit coming across to everyone here as if her time in Japan gave her the insights to "act" as if she knows everything there is to know about life, the culture, the people, and everything there is to know about Japan.

I have been here well over 20 years and there are still literally tons of things to learn about things here. And it is very easy to admit that I will NEVER learn it all.

Her experiences give her a start, an extremely short one, but a start. One thing that sticks out to me, is that she doesnt come across as having an open mind about here.
 
Nihonjinron
Though the generic word nihonjinron is most frequently used to describe the phenomenon, a variety of topical terms are also current that classify the many sub-genres of nihonjinron according to specific theme or subject-matter. For example;

* shinfūdoron (ツ新窶「窶披?忱ヒ彑): "new theories on climate" (implying the influence of climate on peoples)
* nihonbunkaron (窶愿コ窶怒窶「ツカ窶ーツサヒ彑): "theories on Japanese culture"
* nihonshakairon (窶愿コ窶怒ナステ絶?ーテッヒ彑): "theories on Japanese society"
* nihonron (窶愿コ窶怒ヒ彑): "theories on Japan"
* nihonkeizairon (窶愿コ窶怒ナ弛ツ催祥彑) "theories on the Japanese economy"
Nihonjinron - Wikipedia

I am surprised to read the wikipedia article...
We don't have any rights to describe our economy by ourselves, or at least when we exercise the rights to do so, they would be a horrible xenophobia.

Tough time.
 
I am surprised to read the wikipedia article...
We don't have any rights to describe our economy by ourselves, or at least when we exercise the rights to do so, they would be a horrible xenophobia.
Tough time.

I see what you mean. That is kind of unfair. :?
 
Moved half of the thread here....

Keep it nice
 
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Most of the stuff here is perfectly in line with the original OP. People having worthwhile conversations means that sometimes things go off on a tangent. Moving them off of the main thread only dilutes their meaning and intent. I find myself less and less inclined to post.
 
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