After you watch the film "Nanking" ,you will sure say:...

This film is not the PROPAGANDA, it is a documentary films,I hope this film is made by Chinese,or Japanese. but it isn't~!
Please ~see the film before you reply!~

documentary films? No, it's an entertainment movie based on Chinese Propaganda.

Before your edited your post, that is;
This film is *not* the PROPAGANDA, for it is not made by Communist Party or China.
You also don't think that the Chinese government is trusted in the world?
ditto. 😊
 
Documentary, Movie Nanking (2007)

know issues like this become "political hot potato"


The documentary/movie "NANKING U.S.A., 2006, 91 Minutes", is receiving great reviews.

It was shown at the "Sundance Film Festival" and "Tribeca Film Festival".

I read a review of this documentary in the "New Yorker" magazine. It gave this a great review.

The "New Yorker" review, said that it showed many foreigners; "Germans, Americans and such", hid many Chinese civilians, at their peril.

So my point. What impact will this have in Asia ?

Are the general public of Japan tired of this issue ?

Will this be shown in Japan ?

_.
 
So my point. What impact will this have in Asia ?
Are the general public of Japan tired of this issue ?
Will this be shown in Japan ?

Asia is not the one. At least China and Korea (North or South) are different from other areas in Asia. Their national policy is "anti-Japan" more or less.
I don't think that this movie becomes the topic like your reported for the moment in Japan.
At least Chinese government may not want to stimulate much Japan till "Summer Games" is over.

"Will this be shown in Japan?" --- If this movie said it was a fiction based on the novel by Iris Chang...

Americans made this movie for Chinese government with Chinese money. We Japanese were disappointed at that.
If Japanese proves the lie of Chinese propaganda, what do you think about it?
 
I will say:Wipe the evil Japanese out from the world once for all! the A boom is not the end , but just the start!!
Do we have the chance? sure ~
now there are so many evil Japanese , they are the virus .and the anti virus project is moving ~!
After you read 4321go's posts you will surely say: Wipe the evil Chinese out from the world once for all! the Nanking Massacre is not the end , but just the start!!
Do we have the chance? sure ~
now there are so many evil Chinese , they are the virus .and the anti virus project is moving ~!
 
4321go...have you ever talked with a Japanese person? Ever met one? Even if you have, there are over a hundred million Japanese people. How can you pass judgment on every single one of them based off of a movie you watched? I totally disagree with everything you have posted. Even so, I'm not gonna use you as an example to pass judgment on the entire Chinese race as a result. I can understand you're angry, but please, don't resort to racism and CERTAINLY not genocide. That is just plain ignorant, stupid, horrifying, insulting, and shows what kind of character you are.
 
to Half-n-Half.
before you(Half-n-Half.) watch yourself in the mirror, I ignore you ~

to kireikoori,
please edit your post like this : "After I read 4321go's post I will say". you can't force the man think like the housefly or pig ~!right? and I will tell you that I won't care about what the pig say! and of course the pig has NO right force the people agree on what the pig say! so edit your post ,change the word "you" to "kireikoori".
 
to Half-n-Half.
before you(Half-n-Half.) watch yourself in the mirror, I ignore you ~
The fact that you won't respond to what I have pointed out as a major flaw in your character shows you have no intention of holding an intelligent conversation and cannot back up your racist behavior. Look at myself in the mirror, what is that supposed to mean? Are you honestly suggesting I am a racist because I called you out on your racism and radical ideas of genocide?
In my very humble opinion, I think this thread has gone horribly wrong. It is obvious that the OP's original intent was not to incite discussion but to spread hatred and racism. TO ANY MODERATOR READING THIS, I HUMBLY ASK THAT YOU LOCK THIS THREAD IMMEDIATELY! PLEASE! *cherry on top*
 
Although this particular thread has been rocky from the start, I do see some hope in it.

I would like to hear 4321go's response to the allegation that this film was made with Chinese money as opposed to American money. If this is true, it does cast some doubt as to the validity (or more prececisely, the objectivity) of its evidence.

I will allow the thread to remain open, but I would like to hear what 4321go has to say on this matter.
 
Hi ,Mikawa Ossan . It is a long time since we talk in the chatroom ,right? hehe ,I know that you understand what I 'v said in this thread.

You ask me to talk about the investor of this film ,I think if someone claim this film was made with Chinese money ,he should show the evidence such as who provide the money ? how many? when?

hanachan said that:Americans made this movie for Chinese government with Chinese money. but she could not prove that.So ,I have no reason to trust it~!

However, I check the investor of this film. the major inverstor is the vice president of AOL(American Online),his name is :Ted Leonsis.

As far as I know ,none of Japanese film-distribution company would issue this film.and the the person involved such as the old soldier ...
"We search for the director in Japan willing to assist us in the work of the veterans of the difficulties encountered great. Fortunately, after several efforts, and ultimately find the courage to stand up a number of wise men and the peace movement are willing to help us work. Many veterans have been seriously seeking truth from facts and memories about their real experience. But then very few people act on their expressed sincere remorse."said Ted Leonsis.
 
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Thank you, 4321go!

I think it only fair to now ask Hanachan where she got her information that the film was funded with Chinese money. Hanachan?
 
When will we can watch "A letter from Wang Jingwei"?

Do you think it was a bit strange that Mr Wen, your premier, recognised what Japan contributed to your country more than 60 years after the war?
 
thirty pieces of silver

Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/30/AR2006073000026.html

Two million dollars later, having pulled together a film crew and navigated the bureaucracy in China, Leonsis's documentary about the incident is nearing completion.
Though he calls the project a "labor of love," he is also hoping it can find enough of an audience to turn a profit -- and give him broader access to a Chinese market where memories of Nanking remain raw. Chinese television rights to the show have been sold, and Leonsis said he hopes to use local DVD sales as an advertising platform for businesses that want to break into the Chinese market.
Case in point: There are 500 million television households in China, and the Chinese national television network, CCTV, paid what Leonsis said was a "significant" advance for broadcast rights for the film. In addition, an estimated 65 million Chinese live outside the country, and they may pay to see the movie in a theater or buy a DVD or watch on the Internet.

窶吮??ツ坂?倪?堙俄?堙?窶ーツュツ青「窶佚鯛?堋ェTV窶堙ーナスツ昶?堙≫?堙??堋ィ窶堙ィツ、
窶吮??ツ坂?倪?堙個坂?倪?ーcニ弾ニ椎槌池窶ケテ?CTV窶堙債、ニ椎槌棚ニ停?愴歎ニ湛ナセH窶堋ュツ「窶佚・窶「テ鞘?堙闇?zツ」窶堙ー窶堋ア窶堙娯?ーf窶ーテヲ窶堙娯?「テコ窶ーfナ陳?窶堙娯?楼窶ケテ?窶堙??堋オ窶堙?スx窶「ツ・窶堙≫?堋スツ。
ツ更窶堙可、ツ坂?佛?O窶堙俄?堙?6,500窶毒督人窶堙?窶堙娯?吮??ツ坂?伉人窶堋ェ窶堋「窶堙ゥ窶堙?陳ゥツ静鞘?堙?窶堙ァ窶堙ェ窶堙??堋ィ窶堙ィツ、
窶敕樞?懌┐窶堙坂?ーf窶ーテヲナ?テ吮?堙可行窶堋ュ窶堋ゥツ、DVD窶堙ーツ購窶愿シ窶堋キ窶堙ゥ窶堋ゥツ、ニ値ニ鍛ニ暖窶堙?陳ゥ窶堙ゥヒ?冷?堙俄?ケテ?窶堙ー窶「ツ・窶堋、窶堋ゥ窶堙?窶冦窶堙ェ窶堙遺?堋「ツ。

"This is ripped-from-the-headline stuff," Leonsis said.
ツ「窶堋ア窶堙ェ窶堙坂?佚・ツ々窶廬ナスO窶禿岩?ケLナス窶凪?堙?窶堙娯?堋セ窶堙ヲツ」
窶堙?椎槌棚ニ停?愴歎ニ湛窶堙最陳セ窶堙≫?堋スツ。

The Chinese initially discussed owning an interest in the film, but Leonsis said its credibility would be enhanced if a third party told the story.

窶吮??ツ坂?倪?伉、窶堙坂?懌?督鞘?ーツ、窶堋ア窶堙娯?ーf窶ーテヲ窶堙個焦?窶猫ナ陳?窶堙ーナスツ昶?堙でス窶凪?堙俄?堙や?堋「窶堙?津ェ窶堙≫?堙??堋「窶堋ス窶堋ェツ、ニ椎槌棚ニ停?愴歎ニ湛窶堙債、窶佚ヲナスOナステ停?堋ェ窶堋ア窶堙娯?「ツィナ津ェ窶堙ーナ津ェ窶堙ェ窶堙篠、窶堋サ窶堙個信窶版?ツ青ォ窶堋ェ窶伉昶?堋キ窶堋セ窶堙ォ窶堋、ツ、窶堙?陳セ窶堙≫?堋スツ。

"They felt comfortable with our crew and they liked our motives," Leonsis said. "They want this story to be told by a Westerner."

ツ「窶敕樞?懌┐窶堙坂?ーテ、ツ々窶堙姑蛋ツーニ停ぎ窶堙俄?毒セ窶伉ォ窶堋オツ、窶ーテ、ツ々窶堙娯?慊ョ窶ケ@窶堙?窶ケC窶堙俄?愿シ窶堙≫?堋スツ」
窶堙?椎槌棚ニ停?愴歎ニ湛窶堙最陳セ窶堙≫?堋スツ。
ツ「窶敕樞?懌┐窶堙坂?堋ア窶堙娯?「ツィナ津ェ窶堙ーツ青シ窶伉、窶堙個人ナ?テ披?堙俄?堙ヲ窶堙≫?堙?津ェ窶堙≫?堙??梅窶堋オ窶堋「窶堙娯?堋セツ」ツ。
 
Hanachan, please understand that this is not my issue. I just want to keep the thread as civil as possible.
 
if masscre/rape of nanking never happened, then holocaust never happened.

why does japan keep denying the facts when there are facts all over the place? there are many corpses buried in nanking, you see photo evidences, there are also eye-witnesses, even formal japanese soldiers say they did commit the atrocity.

is japan in state of denial? probably they are scared of truth? which one is it?
 
Thats something, I also do not understand.

We Germans face it, for long already. I grew up with the holocast pictures in my head, no chance to escape this, and I was just under 10 years old and had many nightmares about it, but was so thankfull for knowing this in the end.

I have a child from a partly jewish, from a family that had to escape all that and hide. I know, what I did and that it was alright and the best way to show this. I dearly loved that man, who died in the meantime.
Also I can live with the facts, that his family tried to step in between our love, which I can very well understand, even if I also got very hurt by this. But they dearly love our daughter now, and opened their doors for me, a bit late after all, and I cannot go there, because I will be too close to tears, because of my own pains about all the past and what they have been through as well. But my daughter is loved and very much cared for and completely included in the family, and does understand it all.

I am crying, while I write this, but it is alright, and I am glad, that no one has lied to me about or holocaust past. I am willing to pay the bill, with love, with other words.

We have on the other hand dearly been invited by younger jewish people, but also by Palestines, and before my love died, he made a CD with Palestine songs and had according friends, and excused himself for a lot before he died, also instead of his parents. He never needed to at all, but he did. I did not know what to say then, because he must have been equally hurt from the intervening past. I cried a lot, when he left us, no way to hide it from my daughter. But life goes on.

And it all dictated my arts. And, I will not forget, how my korean fríends hugged me, when they heard about all this, and what they had to say from thier own past. . .also with a wide open door. Believe me, they did not lie, nor did my chinese friends. But also in Japan I found wonderfull people, who understood. but people who ignored, where hardly on my way. To meet them here, is a severe shock for me, and I can only wonder, when they will wake up...because the should.

Believe me, we are furtherhin willing here, to never forget, but just because of this, we will try everything, to bridge the gaps in all directions. My daughter has become very good in this, internationally. She would not accept any racism around her.

If some deny those old facts, it will only start again, it does not disappear by itself. Those who ignore, obviously show a high amount of brutality and disrespect in general. Racism and brutality grows on ignorance! We have to work on it, and the first step is to face it, and I am very glad, that I did, however hard it was.

If some in Japan cannot do it on their own, it will for sure cause many desasters again, also to themselves. The facts are on the table, for all to see, they only have to look!
A little sumimasen or gomenasai can work wonders already, I always thought, they know this. . .

And face it, dear Japanese, your emperor is not a God, nobody is, we are all humans, maybe that helps.
 
if masscre/rape of nanking never happened, then holocaust never happened.

why does japan keep denying the facts when there are facts all over the place? there are many corpses buried in nanking, you see photo evidences, there are also eye-witnesses, even formal japanese soldiers say they did commit the atrocity.

Japanese soldier killed many chinese at battle field because of war.



WAR DAMAGE IN THE NANKING AREA
December, 1937 to March, 1938
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/LSCSmythe.pdf
CNN - Photos document brutality in Shanghai - Sept. 23, 1996
Tungchow Mutiny
Tungchow mutiny - Wikipedia
Subcommittee on "The Fake of Nanking




,you will sure say:...
 
Lol, don't tell a German. . .particularly after the alliance with us.

War is never a thing outside people causing it, nor an excuse.

There are enough documents about the original japanese reasons, said by the Japanese themselves (same with Germany, of course, I never excuse my own ancesters either). And Nanjing is Nanjing.

As for the forrunner, one must not be surprised, if those, who were forced to become "Japanese Territory" in China, were hitting back.

I really need no education on this.

But nevertheless thanks to learn about your view.

I hope, the next thing you say is not: that Japan never made any war, that Japanese were never in China etc.

And as for China, they also made wars, and so did and do many others. Yet its no excuse. You can put your damages on the scales, and let the judges tell everyone.

Best would be, not to fight at all, and particularly not over other's.
Again, wars are manmade and thus within their responsibilities, which have to be faced, not an outside tsunami or earthquake.
 
Japan never killed ppl who was not relaterd with war and enemy as racial obliteration

Lol, don't tell a German. . .particularly after the alliance with us

it has nothing to do with nanking..

who helped Jew?
who killed Jews?
 
And face it, dear Japanese, your emperor is not a God, nobody is, we are all humans, maybe that helps.
Are you denying the existence of 現人神(Arahitogami)? Are you denying that a person can be a God? Or just denying that Hirohito was a God?

It is personally my religious belief that a human God can exist.
 
if masscre/rape of nanking never happened, then holocaust never happened.

A cause,
The Japanese armed forces march in Nanjing and,
The commander of the Chinese armed forces ordered a subordinate in Nanjing defense,
However, he escaped immediately.
Because a commander escaped,
A Chinese soldier made up as refugees and escaped.
This was international war violation.
To disclose the Chinese soldier that the Japanese armed forces made up as refugees,
I think that the slaughter happened then.
 
Japan never killed ppl who was not relaterd with war and enemy as racial obliteration
it has nothing to do with nanking..
who helped Jew?
who killed Jews?

Japan's reasons for that ar are known, Caster.
What, racial obliteration?? Never killed children and women and other innocents? You must be joking!

I said already, that I never excuse my own people either, if you please dare to read this.
 
If I'm not mistaken, all of Japan's royalty, the Imperial House of Japan are claimed to be descended for Amaterasu. Not just Hirohito.

Am I wrong? Also, what's so nationalistic and wrong about this religious idea?
 
J Never killed children and women and other innocents? You must be joking!
I said already, that I never excuse my own people either, if you please dare to read this.

there was no war that civillian was not involved as a victim.:(
However Japan never did the ethnic cleansing
 
Are you denying the existence of 現人神(Arahitogami)? Are you denying that a person can be a God? Or just denying that Hirohito was a God?

It is personally my religious belief that a human God can exist.
Sorry, I don't know, who Arahitogami is.
Yes, I am denying, that a person can be god, since god is, if I ever believe in this concept, everything and everyone, not just one person.
But this belongs to a religious thread, concerning the idea of God in general. There you can read more, please.
I am a Taoist at best in this, surely not one for any God-dynasties, (although I like all he ancient stories very much!)
Particularly not into anyone, who claims to be THE god.
No German is into this anyhow, not even about the Pope.
And when Bush comes with something in this direction, we laugh.

Hirohito was no god for sure, and it is wellknown, when and why this story was made up.
It belongs to the past.
Emperor, why not, thats understandable, even if self claimed at first in such dynasties. Thats what they all do. Its just a worldly power game.
 
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