Why We Should Bring National Seclusion Back !

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Sakoku in Japanese or literally ツ" country in chainsツ" or ツ" lock up of countryツ" was the foreign relations policy of Japan under which no foreigner or Japanese could enter or leave the country on penalty of death. This policy which in affect lasted for 218 years from 1635 to 1853, under the late great Tokugawa Iemitsu , kept Japan in virtual peace and harmony for centuries. Of course there was Nagasaki which was the only port accessible to foreigners, and maybe Hakodate in Hokkaido .?Isolationism has been a policy practiced by many countries throughout history - not just Japan.

China, Britain and the United States had institutionalized these same policies which had served these countries in ways that prevented them from forming alliances with other countries. The intention behind these seclusive policies were meant to preserve resources and other markets – nothing new. China, as an example, being the first major asian country to ever get raped and pillaged by western powers was once the hallmark of civilization for centuries until the heavy hand of western domination rested its bloody palms over her sacred institutions and governances and destroying everything it could get its grip on and then subjugating its people through economic oppression and drug distribution through-out every echelon of its society. But, one thing is for sure, the Chinese know who they are, and they are proud of who they've become. The same can't be said about Japan. National identity and patriotism are foreign concepts in this country as well as common sense which has been in short supply for over 35 years now.

(ツ" You have to protect your women ; you have to protect your markets; you have to protect your children; you have to protect your language; you have to protect your culture; you have to protect your interestツ"). The Chinese do all of these things naturally. What happened to Japan ?

In Japan, we are beginning to see a growing need to revive a form of isolationism especially since it is the Japanese that have been effected by the enormous strain placed on their markets and ultimately their way of life because of globalization and rampant western imperialism. Not every country can close its doors and still feed its people; Japan surely can't, but there was a time when it could, let's figure a way back to that way I say.

The United States of America, on one hand, has probably been around for a little over 200 years and yet had managed to be just as much of an isolationist country as Japan once wasツ…i.e. not every race was allowed in the U.S., and the Dutch, in the case of the Japanese, were the only westerners allowed in Japan, save a few French and Russian Merchants(?)How effective were these racist and exclusionary policies will depend largely on whether or not these policies benefited the respective countries in terms of racial harmony and or economic hegemony – only time will tell.

In Japan we know a semi-open market has benefited its economy. What we don't know,however, is to what extent it has ruined it either. It seems the more Japan depends on foreign trade the less its able to sustain itself within itself. Here in Japan they have relied heavily on foreign influence for centuries which has helped shape their preceptions of the world around them...e.g. R&D; industry, and so forth and so on. In the case of poor Carib/African island nations the need for foreign aid and food has grown dramatically because of globalization to the point where these small countries have become debtor nations forever ! Many owe the IMF and World Bank billions of dollars and unfortunately many of these countries will never ever be able to repay these enormous debts. I think some of these debtor nations were better under colonial rule in most cases. What a pity.

As far back as 1945, American senator Robert Rice who was an unabashed isolationist and Anglophobe, whose foreign policy position alienated him from Delano Roosevelt, advocated strict limits on immigration, by 90%, and the registration of all aliens because he feared that loose immigration laws would threaten the security of the job market in the U.S. (Looking at history in hindesight maybe he was on to something...)
American politician Pat Buchanan who was runner up in the 2000 presidential election was another infamous isolationist who advocated policies such as ツ"America Firstツ" which would've lifted trade barriers while using the federal government to protect American jobs and other interest. In addition, he also wanted to cut foreign economic assistance and punish other countries who had poor human rights records like China, for example. These policies had proven very unpopular amongst his constituencies including the Democratic Party and the then Clinton Administration that favored free trade with Canada and Mexico.

ツ"In great cities men are brought together by the desire of gain. They are not in a state of co-operation, but of isolation, as to the making of fortunes; and for all the rest they are careless of neighbors. Christianity teaches us to love our neighbors as ourselves; modern society acknowledges no neighbor [Benjamin Disraeli former Prime Minister of England]

I have often wondered whether isolation was more beneficial in the long run vs. the opening of marketsツ… Again, I reiterate in the case of Japan, having a semi - open foreign/trade policy has allowed its economy to grow by leaps and bounds, and has aided in the development of commerce, innovation and the manufacturing of new technologies. Open policies in trade has also helped develop new markets in agriculture and trade through exports of high quality foods such as Fuji Apples and Aomori garlic, and even grains. And while all of this may sound good to the western capitalist, I often wonder whether its quality will decrease because of the need for demand ツ…Should Japan just fling her doors wider open and allow its rice and fruit market to be exploited while allowing the quality of its products to diminish ? Or should it keep its markets locked shut and safe from foreign competition ?

At first, Japan fought to protect its culture; it capitulated and allowed the western dregs of the earth to scorge its purity with their doctrines of death and with their bombs and with their guns and their poisonous democratic system of governance. Now, we live in a society that has been struggling with what democracy really means exactly. Sixty years later, most Japanese have no idea what a democracy is or what it means, or even care for that matter because most live as if the Meiji constitution is still in place, and that's exactly why the current constitution carries no weight. We have politicians in office today who can't even decide how to run their own country, let alone make simple policy decisions like supporting the war against invisible terror, or whether to support its own stance politically without the tacit approval or disapproval of the United Snakes of AmeriKKKa. It's high time Japan stepped up to the plate and stand accounted as a first rate nation and world leader in the 21st century.

ツ"Never let the left hand know what the right hand is doing,ツ"said a friend of mine. Sort of reminds me of Japans double hegemony policies. Ever since the 19th Century Japan has been quite good at double hegemony, but their methods have been getting sloppy nowadays because they can't decide whether to fight America's enemies or shake hands with Iran over a multi-billion dollar oil deal for Japans own oil interest for the sake of the Japanese

Sort of reminds me of the Anglo-Japanese Alliance back in 1902 when Britian forged an alliance with Japan which primarily benefited Britain whereas Japan benefited very little from it. Britain needed Japan to contain Russia and protect British commerce interest in China. In turn, Japan would gain status in the international community for allying with a rich white nation. This alliance also made Japan Britain's partner during WW1 which forced Japan to attack German targets during the Seige of Tsingtao in 1914(N.B. famous for Tsingtao Beer which was originally made by Germany) and then subsequently the Japanese switched sides and allied with Germany because they weren't accepted by the international community as a super power – how ironicツ…. And all of this was done under Emperor Meiji . (ツ" And they think that that's how friendships and alliances work?ツ").

Japan tried to maintain a very delicate balancing act by trying to appease Europe and Americas friends and enemies and failed miseraebly. Even today, Japan is doing the exact same thing, but only this time nobody is listening at all.

The argument for whether Japan should be given a seat on the UNSC is still up for debate; the U.S. supports Japans bid, but the rest of the world including the U.N. feel that Japan is not ready for such a position which it bases solely off of its relationship with the United Snakes of AmeriKKKa. The contention lies with Japan's present war renouncing constitution which forbades it from engaging in war which the U.N. feels would lessen Japan's ability to act either unilaterally or assist the U.N. in case war breaks out. Another contention is that Japan is too dependent on the U.S. which could seriously undermine the UNSC credibility and power structure and decision making ability.

History dictates that when Japan tries to be accepted into the ツ"international brotherhoodツ" she either gets rejected or laughed at, either because she can't choose sides or because she doesn't know who to obey, so to speak.
Had Japan looked out for her own interest first(unilaterally) not leaning on the West for approval this country would already had a revised constitution that would've enabled it to act unilaterally in its own interests. Maybe then the world would look at Japan as worthy of mention as a true sovereign nation. Nation building starts right here in Japan in each and every home !
 
You have GOT to be kidding me.

Isolationism is a thing as cruel as slavery. No, crueler.
 
You have GOT to be kidding me.
Isolationism is a thing as cruel as slavery. No, crueler.


Slavery and isolationism share no parallels Kireikoori. Even the U.S.A. is struggling still today to embrace a foreign policy doctrine that's more in line with world standards. Instead it's more unilateral in its foreign policy doctrine, thus isolationist mentality so to speak.
 
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To separate from others completely was one of the worst things in Japanese history.
Human being enjoy the company of other human beings, including that of human beings outside of their own nationality. Isolationism serves a knife to cut people off from each other. It is a tool to create loneliness. Japan should never again become a country of chains.

Your talk of Westerners and Americans so negatively, and then praising such a horrible thing, it's ironic. Your calling America Amerikkka is downright hilarious.

Tools of separation are never acceptable. I'd rather be enslaved by a member of another country than denied the right to ever see anyone outside my country.

Oh, and now that I read my posts by you, I find that you are not Japanese? Am I mistaken that you praise Japan's locked up country in chains existence? You're apparently not Japanese, but according to you, black. The policies that you seem to admire would have you booted out of Japan!
 
You are young.

To separate from others completely was one of the worst things in Japanese history.
Human being enjoy the company of other human beings, including that of human beings outside of their own nationality. Isolationism serves a knife to cut people off from each other. It is a tool to create loneliness. Japan should never again become a country of chains.

Your talk of Westerners and Americans so negatively, and then praising such a horrible thing, it's ironic. Your calling America Amerikkka is downright hilarious.

Tools of separation are never acceptable. I'd rather be enslaved by a member of another country than denied the right to ever see anyone outside my country.

I'm sure,Kireikoori, in your perfect little world having friends from all over the world is the ideal utopia. Do you still live at home with mommy and daddy ?
Not everybody wants to share borders and live together with other nationalities, let alone work together with them. Nevertheless, we learn tolerance, not because we want to learn it but because tolerance is better than violence. It's only natural for societies to move towards isolationism which serves to protect the culture and linguistic roots of the country.
 
Yeeeeap, you are some kind of racist bigot. Maybe you don't want friends from all over the world, but that because you're obviously some black supremacist creepoid.

My goodness! It was incredible. A textbook case of what a KKK member would say, word for word! There are plenty of people who actually enjoy diversity, just not you apparently, you racist. What is a Black Hebrew Israelite like yourself doing at a Japan forum? We came to this forum to talk about Japan, not hear a bunch of black supremacist babble.
 
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It's only natural for societies to move towards isolationism which serves to protect the culture and linguistic roots of the country.

I fully disagree here. History and anthropological occurance show that more than anything else, social groups merge. The data disproves further isolationism.
 
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Yeeeeap, you are some kind of racist bigot. Maybe you don't want friends from all over the world, but that because you're obviously some black supremacist creepoid.

My goodness! It was incredible. A textbook case of what a KKK member would say, word for word! There are plenty of people who actually enjoy diversity, just not you apparently, you racist. What is a Black Hebrew Israelite like yourself doing at a Japan forum? We came to this forum to talk about Japan, not hear a bunch of black supremacist babble.

Can we get back on topic Kireikoori ? Japan is the greatest model of what an isolationist country was and is. Is not this country one of the most homogenous in the world ? Are not people discriminated against in this country on a daily basis because they are not Japanese ? You sound as if the Japanese want to internationlize when in fact, according to human rights advocacy groups, Japan is the worst country in the world to live if you are a minority. You have to come back to reality and look at things from the mind of a Japanese.
 
I fully disagree here. History and anthropological occurance show that more than anything else, social groups merge. The data disproves further isolationism.

I said societies, not people, who tend to move toward isolationism. Sure, people do gravitate to poeple, it's human nature to group. Unfortunately countries don't work that way.
 
Without decent foreign trade and tourism a country is practically dead. Isolation is the best solution for raising death rates and turning a country into a hundredth world agricultural hellhole with nothing but slave labor. Yeah, gg. Best idea, and when your teeth fell the hell out, and half of your kids died (hell, you still have 4 or 5 nay?) during a nasty year with poor harvest, you'll be wandering... "is this what I wanted?" "Wait, just forty years ago we had heating, warm water, factory made cloths, a school to go to."
Honestly, you can't believe that in the 21st century a country can maintain its social level without foreign goods. There isn't a single country that has enough of raw materials. Fossil fuel, other minerals, fields, a million kinds of light, heavy and chemical industry, etc. etc. the list continues until eternity. There's not a single country that has it all.
 
Are you therefore talking micro or macro? In that the world is more coherent today than it had been 1000 years ago, it is surely less in isolation, is it not?
 
Without decent foreign trade and tourism a country is practically dead. Isolation is the best solution for raising death rates and turning a country into a hundredth world agricultural hellhole with nothing but slave labor. Yeah, gg. Best idea, and when your teeth fell the hell out, and half of your kids died (hell, you still have 4 or 5 nay?) during a nasty year with poor harvest, you'll be wandering... "is this what I wanted?" "Wait, just forty years ago we had heating, warm water, factory made cloths, a school to go to."
Honestly, you can't believe that in the 21st century a country can maintain its social level without foreign goods. There isn't a single country that has enough of raw materials. Fossil fuel, other minerals, fields, a million kinds of light, heavy and chemical industry, etc. etc. the list continues until eternity. There's not a single country that has it all.

Where's the balance between decent foreign trade and too much foreign trade ? You also sound a bit too extreme here too. Poor African island nations like Jamaica have relied so heavily on foreign trade for decades, look at them now.
 
Are you therefore talking micro or macro? In that the world is more coherent today than it had been 1000 years ago, it is surely less in isolation, is it not?

Technology has made our world smaller, bringing us closer together, but that doesn't mean we are more coherent and neither does it mean we are more empathetic towards each other when it comes to reasoning. Remember, we developed atomic bombs and then used them on civilian targets during WW2. We have killed more human being in our time than at any other time in history ;I'd say we are less coherent in many ways because of that. We have also replaced slavery with economic slavery through the guise of globalization and internationalization.

If Japan closes its rice market in order to protect its quality then that's seen as bad in the eyes of the international community when in fact the Japanese mean well - they only want to protect the quality of their rice and their traditional rice grain for their Japanese consumers.
 
There is honor and courage in trying to overcome discrimination. It takes no honor no intelligence to close a door.
 
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There is honor and courage in trying to overcome discrimination. It takes no honor no intelligence to close a door.

I think discrimination is a global problem. I too think it's honorable and courageous when one tries to overcome it, but what does that say about people ? Discrimination based off of age, race, or sex has been around for centuries.
 
Not everybody wants to share borders and live together with other nationalities, let alone work together with them.
I prefer sister cites and world culture festivals to fascism. Sure diversity may be a bit cheesy sounding, but it's really a good thing. It's because of Sister Cities and such that I have my homestay family that I cherish. If Japan were to be locked up like it once was, I never would have had this precious relationship.

And besides that, that kind of isolation would be bad for Japan's economy. Nobody wants to buy from a country with such policies. I don't care how good a countries products are, I'm not buying from a country that absolutely will not let me in.
Nevertheless, we learn tolerance, not because we want to learn it but because tolerance is better than violence.
I'm not interested in harming groups at all. There's no group I feel ill towards. I judge people on an individual to individual basis. No group I want to hurt. But for some individuals it's only fear of assault charges that keeps me from punching them in the face.
It's only natural for societies to move towards isolationism which serves to protect the culture and linguistic roots of the country.
Separation does not protect. If multiculturalism killed so much then the United States would not still be considered a Western country.
I think discrimination is a global problem. I too think it's honorable and courageous when one tries to overcome it, but what does that say about people ? Discrimination based off of age, race, or sex has been around for centuries.
I think discrimination, especially racism is a lot less than what it used to exist. And what you're asking for seems to be racialism. And when putting the two evils against each other, I'm actually more against racialism than I am racism.

You seem to say that problem is that some people have less and some people have more. I don't care. Not all humans are going to be equally well off, even in their own country. I'm not an upper class American myself. And economy isn't even much of a problem for Japan anyway. They're very high on the HDI, a first world country.
 
Fine idea, coming from an American who lives in Japan. :eek:
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