It seems Israel may achieve success in destroying Gaza, but it can't eliminate Hamas, which is the main target. Israel is frustrated right now, and when they cool down, they will likely have many enemies. They might have no reason to convince neighbors who recently recognized them as a state. We have to learn from the past when the US destroyed Afghanistan, but after many years, the Taliban emerged even more powerful.
Should we boycott Israel?
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Mansoor
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Although, I don't tend to Taliban folk and they have their own government, but today Taliban is different with the past.
They have realized, they cannot to be succeed to govern on Afghanistan with a tribal system and ideology, so they are moving gradually toward a systematic government and series of organizations, though they have to increase their paces toward a better condition and reputation.
They have realized, they cannot to be succeed to govern on Afghanistan with a tribal system and ideology, so they are moving gradually toward a systematic government and series of organizations, though they have to increase their paces toward a better condition and reputation.
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Israelis have destroyed for about 11000 people of Gaza and the number of victims is increasing day after day, while for about 80% of the killed are women and children.
Israelis even bombard the bases of UN organization, where Gaza people have sheltered there.
They also bombard, schools; the other places that people think are safe against the bombing of Israeli monsters.
Worse than all, they even bombard hospitals and claim, the Hamas defenders are under those hospitals!
in addition to these, the fuel of Gaza hospitals has been finished and they cannot turn on the power generators. Many patients, injured people and even newborn babies die due to lack of electricity in the few remained hospitals.
The doctors of the half-ruined Gaza hospitals announced, they have not anesthetic drug for the life-saving surgeries, and other necessary medicines like antibiotics don't exist.
The wandered Gaza people that don't know where to go and shelter, are encountered lack of food and water and they try to escape somewhere that think is safer, while nowhere is safe in the small territory of Gaza against the savage Israelis.
The story of tragedy in Gaza is long and it is not possible to describe the depth of the crime of Israelis versus the of Palestinians civilians in Gaza.
Also, Israelis are play with the fire that will turn back to them soon or later. They open fire on the Northern borderline of Lebanon . They have killed a few Lebanese families with rocket, up to now, among a family who were moving in a road with their car. The Hezbollah defenders have tried to avoid engagement, though they respond to the fire of Israeli army on and off, and target their armors and the abandoned Israeli cities close to the Lebanon borders, where the army of Israel are present over there.
The Hezbollah (does mean the party of God) leader warned Tel-av iv that the red line of Hezbollah is the civilians of Gaza and Lebanon, and if they kill Lebanese, Hezbollah warriors will fight back.
After last night that Israelis targeted a car in Lebanon and killed a family completely (among two children), Yesterday, Hezbollah launched a mid-range missile to one of the vacant marginal towns of Israelis, where some military units of Israel are there.
The Arabic government members, and the other Islamic countries officials (among Iran) had an emergency session in Riyadh of Arabia. All these countries condemned the historical crime of Israel against the civilians of Gaza. They where pissed off about the inhumanly felonies of Israel, and requested strictly that Israel stops killing the people of Gaza as soon as possible. Also, some other countries of the world broke off their relationships with Israel due to the international crimes of Israelis.
The objective evidences show, the head of Israel, Netanyahu is a dangerous insane like Hitler, Saddam and Stalin that were thirsty for blood and revenge. I advise the government of America, especially Mr. Biden to keep away this mad monster before he he pollutes Americans with a long term dishonor of Participation in an international crime.
I remember in a writing forum an American woman said to me (I speak honestly): Mans (Mansoor) we Americans are still suffering the event of the Atomic attack that our former government did versus Japan and we could not get rid this international blaming yet...
I hope, today, the American government realizes its situation and reputation and doesn't put itself beside a psychopath person like Netanyahu (and the other hidden and overt heads) of Israel that are killing mass of Gaza people nonstop. It would be a great dishonor and bad record for America that claims is the advocator of democracy!
Israelis even bombard the bases of UN organization, where Gaza people have sheltered there.
They also bombard, schools; the other places that people think are safe against the bombing of Israeli monsters.
Worse than all, they even bombard hospitals and claim, the Hamas defenders are under those hospitals!
in addition to these, the fuel of Gaza hospitals has been finished and they cannot turn on the power generators. Many patients, injured people and even newborn babies die due to lack of electricity in the few remained hospitals.
The doctors of the half-ruined Gaza hospitals announced, they have not anesthetic drug for the life-saving surgeries, and other necessary medicines like antibiotics don't exist.
The wandered Gaza people that don't know where to go and shelter, are encountered lack of food and water and they try to escape somewhere that think is safer, while nowhere is safe in the small territory of Gaza against the savage Israelis.
The story of tragedy in Gaza is long and it is not possible to describe the depth of the crime of Israelis versus the of Palestinians civilians in Gaza.
Also, Israelis are play with the fire that will turn back to them soon or later. They open fire on the Northern borderline of Lebanon . They have killed a few Lebanese families with rocket, up to now, among a family who were moving in a road with their car. The Hezbollah defenders have tried to avoid engagement, though they respond to the fire of Israeli army on and off, and target their armors and the abandoned Israeli cities close to the Lebanon borders, where the army of Israel are present over there.
The Hezbollah (does mean the party of God) leader warned Tel-av iv that the red line of Hezbollah is the civilians of Gaza and Lebanon, and if they kill Lebanese, Hezbollah warriors will fight back.
After last night that Israelis targeted a car in Lebanon and killed a family completely (among two children), Yesterday, Hezbollah launched a mid-range missile to one of the vacant marginal towns of Israelis, where some military units of Israel are there.
The Arabic government members, and the other Islamic countries officials (among Iran) had an emergency session in Riyadh of Arabia. All these countries condemned the historical crime of Israel against the civilians of Gaza. They where pissed off about the inhumanly felonies of Israel, and requested strictly that Israel stops killing the people of Gaza as soon as possible. Also, some other countries of the world broke off their relationships with Israel due to the international crimes of Israelis.
The objective evidences show, the head of Israel, Netanyahu is a dangerous insane like Hitler, Saddam and Stalin that were thirsty for blood and revenge. I advise the government of America, especially Mr. Biden to keep away this mad monster before he he pollutes Americans with a long term dishonor of Participation in an international crime.
I remember in a writing forum an American woman said to me (I speak honestly): Mans (Mansoor) we Americans are still suffering the event of the Atomic attack that our former government did versus Japan and we could not get rid this international blaming yet...
I hope, today, the American government realizes its situation and reputation and doesn't put itself beside a psychopath person like Netanyahu (and the other hidden and overt heads) of Israel that are killing mass of Gaza people nonstop. It would be a great dishonor and bad record for America that claims is the advocator of democracy!
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fouad
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Definitely.It's the least solidarity with the oppressed palestinian people one can express. As for produce from illegal settlements in the occupied west bank. When it comes to resistance to the occupatio and blocade any kind of resistance is legal. The core of the issue being the racist and fascist zionist ideology.
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I think all of us have a human duty to stand up against oppression, especially the unforgivable cruelty that is Genocide; what is going on now in Gaza.
Sadly the White House encounter the issue with two faces, one face in the media that recommends Israel to be careful about Gaza civilians not to be targeted and killed, and one face that support Israelis to continue their barbaric bombardment that is done on the buildings of Gaza day and night, nonstop.
it is a devilish mass killing of people deliberately, not a chivalry fight.
Sadly the White House encounter the issue with two faces, one face in the media that recommends Israel to be careful about Gaza civilians not to be targeted and killed, and one face that support Israelis to continue their barbaric bombardment that is done on the buildings of Gaza day and night, nonstop.
it is a devilish mass killing of people deliberately, not a chivalry fight.
fouad
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If you want to have a smarter opinion on the Palestine/Zionist issue, here are a few references from jewish and/or israeli authors:
-Shlomo Sand: How the state of israel was invented.
-Sylvain Cypel: The state of israel vs the jews.
-Illan Pappé: The ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
-Thomas Suarez: The state of terror ...
-Norman Finkelstein: The holocaust industry.
-Alfred M. Lilienthal: The zionist connection.
-Gerard Menuhin: Tell the truth ...
- Deanna Spingola; The ruling elite ...
-Shlomo Sand: How the state of israel was invented.
-Sylvain Cypel: The state of israel vs the jews.
-Illan Pappé: The ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
-Thomas Suarez: The state of terror ...
-Norman Finkelstein: The holocaust industry.
-Alfred M. Lilienthal: The zionist connection.
-Gerard Menuhin: Tell the truth ...
- Deanna Spingola; The ruling elite ...
Mansoor
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Some groups of Jews have held some meetings in America vs Zionism in Palestine and claimed Zionists are moving unlike the principle of Moses's religion. I hope it is not a movie!
But what they express is right. Today you can see the real Satanic face of Israelis, how are using their killing machine, F16, F35 and every type of relative powerful bombs to kill civilians of Gaza, knowingly.
Not only Israelis move opposite to the will of God and his messenger Muses, but also they are fighting with God obviously, by killing mass of Gaza people and their children.
When a group begins doing such horrible actions, it is a sign that they are going to be destroyed from the root. Please review the history to confirm my word.
Of course, the mass killing that Israelis are doing versus Gaza people is unprecedented in the history, after the late of WWII!
But what they express is right. Today you can see the real Satanic face of Israelis, how are using their killing machine, F16, F35 and every type of relative powerful bombs to kill civilians of Gaza, knowingly.
Not only Israelis move opposite to the will of God and his messenger Muses, but also they are fighting with God obviously, by killing mass of Gaza people and their children.
When a group begins doing such horrible actions, it is a sign that they are going to be destroyed from the root. Please review the history to confirm my word.
Of course, the mass killing that Israelis are doing versus Gaza people is unprecedented in the history, after the late of WWII!
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Holocaust deniers are your examples of smarter opinions?
Hello, this is Bing. I can provide you with a brief summary of the viewpoints of these authors, based on the web search results I found. Here they are:
- Shlomo Sand: He is an Israeli historian who challenges the conventional narrative of Jewish history and identity. He argues that the Jewish people are not a biological or ethnic group, but a religious community that emerged from diverse origins. He also claims that the exile of the Jews from Palestine never happened, and that Zionism is a colonial project that exploited the Holocaust as a justification for creating a Jewish state12
- Sylvain Cypel: He is a French journalist and activist who criticizes Israel's policies and practices towards the Palestinians. He accuses Israel of being a racist, bullying, and apartheid state that violates international law and human rights. He also exposes the complicity of the US and other Western powers in supporting Israel's aggression and occupation. He advocates for a one-state solution based on equality and justice for all34
- Illan Pappé: He is another Israeli historian who belongs to the group of "new historians" who challenge the official Zionist version of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He documents the systematic ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by the Zionist forces in 1948 and beyond, and calls it a genocide. He also exposes the myths and propaganda that justify Israel's actions and deny the Palestinian rights. He supports the boycott, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel56
- Thomas Suarez: He is an American author and musician who is a supporter of Adolf Hitler and a Holocaust denier. He writes that the Holocaust is "the biggest lie in history" and that Jews are an "alien, demonic force" that seeks to dominate the world. He blames Jews for instigating wars, revolutions, and atrocities throughout history, and praises Nazi Germany as a model of civilization. He considers Israel to be a terrorist state that should be destroyed78
- Norman Finkelstein: He is an American political scientist and activist who is a son of Jewish Holocaust survivors. He criticizes Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and accuses it of using the Holocaust as an "ideological weapon" to gain immunity from criticism and accountability. He also challenges the claims of the Holocaust industry, which he says exploits the memory of the Holocaust for financial and political gain. He supports the Palestinian right of return and the two-state solution910
- Alfred M. Lilienthal: He was an American lawyer and writer who was a prominent critic of Zionism and Israel. He argued that Zionism corrupted Judaism and endangered the loyalty and security of American Jews. He opposed the creation of Israel and advocated for a binational state in Palestine. He also exposed the influence of the Zionist lobby on the US foreign policy and media. He was a founding member of the American Council for Judaism, which rejected Jewish nationalism1112
- Gerard Menuhin: He is a British-Swiss author and activist who is a son of the famous violinist Yehudi Menuhin. He is also a Holocaust denier and a neo-Nazi sympathizer. He writes that the Holocaust is a hoax and that the world owes Adolf Hitler an apology. He accuses Jews of being a parasitic and evil force that seeks to destroy the white race and create a one-world government. He considers himself an anti-Zionist and supports the Palestinian cause1314
- Deanna Spingola: She is an American author and radio host who is a conspiracy theorist and a revisionist historian. She writes that the ruling elite, which consists of bankers, Zionists, and Freemasons, controls the world and orchestrates wars, genocides, and false flag operations. She denies the Holocaust and claims that Hitler was a victim of a smear campaign. She also opposes immigration, feminism, and multiculturalism. She supports the white nationalist and Christian identity movements1516
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To set things straight, Israel's "New Historians" like Ilan Pappé, Norman Finkelstein, and Avi Shlaim are NOT holocaust deniers. I highly recommend reading them. The policies of the current Israeli government under Netanyahu are diametrically opposed to their historical perspective. Nothing good will ever come from a policy of annihilation and eradication, and that applies to both sides.
fouad
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Holocaust denier! Holocaust denier !...Antisemite! Antisemite! Outdated zionist arguments !
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How about the other ones on the list? It seems like it was curated to support only one side of the spectrum.
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I'm not familiar with the other names on the list. It's worth stating that the 'New Historians' all have leftist backgrounds, while holocaust deniers usually represent rightwing / neonazi / antisemitic agendas. In some European countries, holocaust denial is outlawed. I'm baffled by the fact that some of the deniers on your list are Jewish, like the son of Yehudi Menuhin.
And the anti anti missile missile missile comes to mind...
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Please put away the Holocaust tale, and observe today, what Israelis are doing in Gaza; 22000 (twenty two thousands) killed people that half were women and children. The depth of this tragedy can not be felt through a verbal statistics, except those witnesses in Gaza who touched the horrible adventure by their soul.
We should not look at the Gaza people through their nationality or the area they live in, but we should observe them as a group of people of the world, with a humanity look.
I don't want to take the topic into the old story, Holocaust that its authors are known, but I have a short logical point:
When Hitler and his army were engaged in a global war with Europe countries and Russia in a vast field, he didn't think and focus on a valveless (powerless and unarmed) captive group of Jews in the camps that were nothing against him. Hitler just thought to conquer the world and govern on, not to use his force to kill some worthless Jews in the Germany camps during a hard and comprehensive war.
Of course, I agree that the captives had a hard living in the Germany camps but not according to the story that was written by the Zionism founders after the WWII.
We should not look at the Gaza people through their nationality or the area they live in, but we should observe them as a group of people of the world, with a humanity look.
I don't want to take the topic into the old story, Holocaust that its authors are known, but I have a short logical point:
When Hitler and his army were engaged in a global war with Europe countries and Russia in a vast field, he didn't think and focus on a valveless (powerless and unarmed) captive group of Jews in the camps that were nothing against him. Hitler just thought to conquer the world and govern on, not to use his force to kill some worthless Jews in the Germany camps during a hard and comprehensive war.
Of course, I agree that the captives had a hard living in the Germany camps but not according to the story that was written by the Zionism founders after the WWII.
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Mansoor, all I'm going to say here is that you should read up on the history of the Holocaust to comprehend the current conflict better:
هولوکاست - ویکیپدیا، دانشنامهٔ آزاد
Anyhow, this is way beyond the scope of this forum. Thread closed.
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