ようになる explanation

[IsaacDavid]

Certain japanese grammar book explainsようになる as follows:"Taking the dictionary form of verbs expresses a change from a situation in which something is not possible to one in which it is,or,from one in which a thing cannot be realized to one in which it can". I thing this explanation is confusing.i cannnot get the idea.can anyone explain me in other words what it means?

 

[Majestic]

できる ようになる or できるようになった in the past tense
Means you weren't able to do something before, but now you are able to do it (because the situation changed)
見える ようになる or 見えるようになった in the past tense
Means you became able to see something that you couldn't previously see (because it was obstructed, or because of a problem in your vision). But that situation changed and now you can see something.
歩ける ようになる or 歩けるようになった in the past tense
As above, it means somebody (for example, a baby) became able to walk, when previously the baby was unable to walk.

Does that help?

 

[IsaacDavid]

Yes that help. I understood just after i published this thread but i don't know how to delete a thread.

 

[mdchachi]

Yes that help. I understood just after i published this thread but i don't know how to delete a thread.

No need. It will help somebody else some day.

 

[IsaacDavid]

No need. It will help somebody else some day.

By the way how i delete a thread?

 

[Toritoribe]

Certain japanese grammar book explainsようになる as follows:"Taking the dictionary form of verbs expresses a change from a situation in which something is not possible to one in which it is,or,from one in which a thing cannot be realized to one in which it can". I thing this explanation is confusing.i cannnot get the idea.can anyone explain me in other words what it means?

I don't know what grammar book you are using, but actually the explanation is incomplete. It's correct for the potential form of verbs, as in the examples Majestic-san gave, but there are cases where the explanation is not correct when it's "the dictionary form of verbs". See the following example.

足を怪我してから、ゆっくり歩くようになった。

The subject was not impossible to walk slowly before injuring their leg, or it's not they couldn't realize to (be able to) do that, either. They just didn't walk slowly by their will, or didn't need to do that before. The same goes with the following examples.

勤務時間帯が変わって、朝早く起きるようになった。
相手が日本語を話せるとわかったので、日本語で会話するようになった。
大地震が起きた後、小さな地震が続くようになった。
梅雨になったので、毎日傘を持っていくようになった。

The main concept of ようになる is to express a change of the state just like "to become".

Yes that help. I understood just after i published this thread but i don't know how to delete a thread.

No need to do that, as mdchachi-san pointed out. It's even possible that the things you think correct are actually not correct just like this thread.

By the way how i delete a thread?

You can't do that. Please ask administrators or moderators for that case. We will do that if the thread is against our ToS (in other words, the thread will not be deleted if it's not against our ToS).

 

[IsaacDavid]

I don't know what grammar book you are using, but actually the explanation is incomplete. It's correct for the potential form of verbs, as in the examples Majestic-san gave, but there are cases where the explanation is not correct when it's "the dictionary form of verbs". See the following example.

足を怪我してから、ゆっくり歩くようになった。

The subject was not impossible to walk slowly before injuring their leg, or it's not they couldn't realize to (be able to) do that, either. They just didn't walk slowly by their will, or didn't need to do that before. The same goes with the following examples.

勤務時間帯が変わって、朝早く起きるようになった。
相手が日本語を話せるとわかったので、日本語で会話するようになった。
大地震が起きた後、小さな地震が続くようになった。
梅雨になったので、毎日傘を持っていくようになった。

The main concept of ようになる is to express a change of the state just like "to become".


No need to do that, as mdchachi-san pointed out. It's even possible that the things you think correct are actually not correct just like this thread.


You can't do that. Please ask administrators or moderators for that case. We will do that if the thread is against our ToS (in other words, the thread will not be deleted if it's not against our ToS).

According to Basic dictionary of japanese grammar ようになる usually indicates a gradual change.

 

[Toritoribe]

Needless to say, "usually" is not the same as "always" or "only". ようになる can express a sudden change, too.
e.g.
クララはずっと車椅子に乗っていたが、突然歩けるようになった。
隣の犬が、僕に向かって急に吠えるようになった。
明日から近所の駅に特急が停まるようになる。


You are referring to A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar by Seiichi Makino and Michio Tsutsui, right?
Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar: Michio Makino Selichi; Tsuitsui: 9784789002998: Amazon.com: Books

Did you quote the explanation from that dictionary in your initial post?

 

[IsaacDavid]

Needless to say, "usually" is not the same as "always" or "only". ようになる can express a sudden change, too.
e.g.
クララはずっと車椅子に乗っていたが、突然歩けるようになった。
隣の犬が、僕に向かって急に吠えるようになった。
明日から近所の駅に特急が停まるようになる。


You are referring to A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar by Seiichi Makino and Michio Tsutsui, right?
Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar: Michio Makino Selichi; Tsuitsui: 9784789002998: Amazon.com: Books

Did you quote the explanation from that dictionary in your initial post?

In my initial post: a handbook of japanese grammar patterns.

 

[Toritoribe]

I checked the original explanation in A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar. I don't know if you already realized, but the dictionary clearly explains that it's not always "a gradual change", just like I exactly used 急に in my example.

Although ~yōni naru usually indicates a gradual change, when it is preceded by an affirmative verb, the change may not take place gradually. Thus, an adverb such as kyūni 'suddenly ' can co-occur with an affirmative verb

As you can see, there is no description about "possibility" in A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar. I want to point out that the explanation in A Handbook of Japanese Grammar Patterns for Teachers and Learners is at least confusing.

 

[IsaacDavid]

I checked the original explanation in A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar. I don't know if you already realized, but the dictionary clearly explains that it's not always "a gradual change", just like I exactly used 急に in my example.

Although ~yōni naru usually indicates a gradual change, when it is preceded by an affirmative verb, the change may not take place gradually. Thus, an adverb such as kyūni 'suddenly ' can co-occur with an affirmative verb

As you can see, there is no description about "possibility" in A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar. I want to point out that the explanation in A Handbook of Japanese Grammar Patterns for Teachers and Learners is at least confusing.

Yes, i knew that the book says that not always is a gradual change.only i wanted to add the notion of "gradual" in my reply.